VanHammersly Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Quote Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza said they consider the projectile that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins a "suspected live round.” Hutchins was killed last week as actor Alec Baldwin was practicing drawing a prop gun during rehearsals on the set of "Rust.” During a news conference Wednesday, Mendoza said officials suspect there were other live rounds on set but wouldn't comment on how they got there. Mendoza also clarified that the 500 rounds of ammunition found on the set were a mix of blanks, dummy rounds, and suspected live rounds. He said that of the three guns seized from the set, one was altered and not functioning and the other was plastic. "The facts are clear: a weapon was handed to Mr. Baldwin. The weapon is functional and fired a live round killing Ms. Hutchins,” Mendoza said. Really weird that there were live rounds on a set like this. No reason for those to be anywhere near a set where blanks are being fired regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Really weird that there were live rounds on a set like this. No reason for those to be anywhere near a set where blanks are being fired regularly. Not really. Not there. Quote The ranch’s cinematic roster includes classics such as "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,” "Easy Rider” and the "Lonesome Dove” limited television series. Other well-known shows and films made there include "Walker, Texas Ranger,” "Young Guns” and "Silverado.” More recent titles include "3:10 to Yuma,” "Cowboys and Aliens” and the Coen brothers’ ”The Ballad of Buster Scruggs.” I'm going to guess on locations like this, you get a lot of guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanHammersly Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: Not really. Not there. I'm going to guess on locations like this, you get a lot of guns. No, it's weird. Those productions were using blanks as well. You don't bring live ammo onto a set where you're firing off blanks. It's incredibly dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No, it's weird. Those productions were using blanks as well. You don't bring live ammo onto a set where you're firing off blanks. It's incredibly dangerous. I agree, it is dangerous. This is America. There are guns in trailers. Guns in cars. I agree it is unsafe. There is talk people were shooting live rounds on the set earlier. That seems insane, but who knows if they were 'on the set' or out target shooting some cans in some other part of the ranch? On some sets there are armed security guards. What SHOULD never happen, is the prop guns should NEVER be near real bullets. Ever. They are supposed to be tightly controlled. However, this is America. There are lots of guns, and actors get caught carrying them onto sets often enough that word of it escapes. Jennifer O'Neill and Peter Fonda both shot themselves in the stomach, different sets, different times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Omega Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 In isolated, rustic settings it's not necessarily a bad idea to have a gun. If it's on a set where prop guns are going to be used, however, keep it in your car. You especially don't mix things up and use a real gun as a real gun, and as a prop gun. That's how stuff like this happens. It's careless and it's reckless and it's now negligent homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanHammersly Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Toastrel said: I agree, it is dangerous. This is America. There are guns in trailers. Guns in cars. I agree it is unsafe. There is talk people were shooting live rounds on the set earlier. That seems insane, but who knows if they were 'on the set' or out target shooting some cans in some other part of the ranch. On some sets there are armed security guards. What SHOULD never happen, is the prop guns should NEVER be near real bullets. Ever. They are supposed to be tightly controlled. However, this is America. There are lots of guns, and actors get caught carrying them onto sets often enough that word of it escapes. Jennifer O'Neill and Peter Fonda both shot themselves in the stomach, different sets, different times. Right, but any live ammo on this set would be specific to this production. Anything that happened in the past is gone now. These sets are cleaned and redressed/changed around between shoots to fit the specific needs of the production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Right, but any live ammo on this set would be specific to this production. Anything that happened in the past is gone now. These sets are cleaned and redressed/changed around between shoots to fit the specific needs of the production. I'm not so sure about that. Any gun, prop or otherwise, on the set, should have been controlled by 1 person. They should NEVER have been in contact with live ammo while on the set. Before Baldwin touched the gun, 3 or 4 people should have been involved, and if they were competent, each would check the weapon. Baldwin too. Every gun you have not checked is a potentially deadly weapon you are playing with, since you failed to do the responsible thing. I don't know about the ranch. Do people live there? Is it a working ranch? Is it ever? If so, there will be guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanHammersly Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Toastrel said: I'm not so sure about that. Any gun, prop or otherwise, on the set, should have been controlled by 1 person. They should NEVER have been in contact with live ammo while on the set. Before Baldwin touched the gun, 3 or 4 people should have been involved, and if they were competent, each would check the weapon. Baldwin too. Every gun you have not checked is a potentially deadly weapon you are playing with, since you failed to do the responsible thing. I don't know about the ranch. Do people live there? Is it a working ranch? Is it ever? If so, there will be guns. Yes, it would have. No one picked a live round up off the ground and put it in a gun. It could've been mixed in with blanks or it could have been placed in intentionally but it wasn't just randomly picked up from a past production. And the person that controlled the weapons was the Armorer. She put three guns down on a cart and then the AD picked up the one with the live round in it and handed it to Baldwin. Sounds like they went to lunch after she put the guns down but before the AD picked it up and left the guns unattended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yes, it would have. No one picked a live round up off the ground and put it in a gun. It could've been mixed in with blanks or it could have been placed in intentionally but it wasn't just randomly picked up from a past production. And the person that controlled the weapons was the Amorer. She put three guns down on a cart and then the AD picked up the one with the live round in it and handed it to Baldwin. Sounds like they went to lunch after she put the guns down but before the AD picked it up and left the guns unattended. Which is insanely stupid. Brandon Lee died because they cheaped out after all the gun heavy scenes were done, they let the armorer go. There was still a scene with a gun. Bye bye Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I suspect foul play just because it seems so ridiculous to have a gun with live rounds on the set of a movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBW Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Apparently nic cage was furious as this armorer who was on 2 of his previous movies. She has a history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynched1 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 If only he'd have bothered to take a safety course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynched1 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 42 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: I suspect foul play just because it seems so ridiculous to have a gun with live rounds on the set of a movie. "Damn Trumpers" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 2 hours ago, lynched1 said: "Damn Trumpers" Nah, I’m just incredulous that a gun with live rounds would make it into a movie scene. Not sure if anyone had an agenda or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogyman Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 10 hours ago, lynched1 said: If only he'd have bothered to take a safety course Maybe he was hitting the sauce while working. I hear that's becoming a problem these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogyman Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 10 hours ago, DBW said: Apparently nic cage was furious as this armorer who was on 2 of his previous movies. She has a history. Yeah I read yesterday she discharged a firearm with no warning and almost blew Cages ears out while filming a previous movie, something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The AD who handed Baldwin a 'cold gun' is as culpable as Baldwin. That said, Baldwin should have known better than to take it and not check it. Anyone should know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sameaglesfan Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Lots of blame to go around - none more at fault than Baldwin. He pulled the trigger of a loaded gun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binkybink77 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Alec has been retweeting articles that shift blame onto others in addition to generally being active "liking" other content. Maybe you should stay off of social media right now - you literally ended someone's life with your negligence and not even a week later you're posting media about how it was the other guy's fault and liking tweets about your favorite music? No respect whatsoever. He's gross. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kz! Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 We've already covered this in FYE. Alec Baldwin bears no blame for anything that happened and anyone who practices basic gun safety was molested by their uncle including Will Smith. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binkybink77 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Just now, Kz! said: We've already covered this in FYE. Alec Baldwin bears no blame for anything that happened and anyone who practices basic gun safety was molested by their uncle including Will Smith. Gun control is sooooo important to libs unless it's an actor that they fanboy. Then expecting even the bare minimum in safety is "pounding your chest" because your uncle is a kiddie toucher. NEVER CHANGE EMB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul852 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 4 hours ago, binkybink77 said: Alec has been retweeting articles that shift blame onto others in addition to generally being active "liking" other content. Maybe you should stay off of social media right now - you literally ended someone's life with your negligence and not even a week later you're posting media about how it was the other guy's fault and liking tweets about your favorite music? No respect whatsoever. He's gross. So much for being remorseful. Regardless of whether he believes he's at fault or not you think he'd at least be grieving over ending someone's life that he "cared" about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toastrel Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Paul852 said: So much for being remorseful. Regardless of whether he believes he's at fault or not you think he'd at lease be grieving over ending someone's life that he "cared" about. It tells you all you need to know about Baldwin. He pulled a trigger and killed another person. It wasn't intentional, but negligence is not an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binkybink77 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 31 minutes ago, Paul852 said: So much for being remorseful. Regardless of whether he believes he's at fault or not you think he'd at lease be grieving over ending someone's life that he "cared" about. Exactly.. how are you even carrying on like back to normal not even a week later? And he's getting so much sympathy and support... I get it that his friends and family realize that he didn't intend to shoot her and must feel awful - they are going to show him sympathy. But how can you keep supporting a guy that is publicly pushing blame off onto everyone else immediately - can't show the same compassion for the AD who also probably feels awful and wracked with guilt? It just shows a complete lack of remorse and sadness that a life was lost, and more concern with not being held liable and not having your own life hindered by the inconvenience that you JUST SHOT A MOTHER IN THE FACE AND KILLED HER. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul852 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 hours ago, binkybink77 said: Exactly.. how are you even carrying on like back to normal not even a week later? And he's getting so much sympathy and support... I get it that his friends and family realize that he didn't intend to shoot her and must feel awful - they are going to show him sympathy. But how can you keep supporting a guy that is publicly pushing blame off onto everyone else immediately - can't show the same compassion for the AD who also probably feels awful and wracked with guilt? It just shows a complete lack of remorse and sadness that a life was lost, and more concern with not being held liable and not having your own life hindered by the inconvenience that you JUST SHOT A MOTHER IN THE FACE AND KILLED HER. Yep. This is clearly his biggest worry. Sounds like he has an awful lot to worry about and for good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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