October 28, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Boogyman said: Maybe he was hitting the sauce while working. I hear that's becoming a problem these days. Thats quite the possibility. You've seen the video?
October 28, 20214 yr 19 hours ago, lynched1 said: If only he'd have bothered to take a safety course Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? Seems that a lot of people who want to blame him, believe he had that duty of care. Only thing is, he didn't. Fact is he didn't load the gun. He didn't insert a live round into the chamber. He didn't know there was a live round and was relying on others to confirm that the gun provided to him was safe and loaded with blanks. The person who inserted the live round into the chamber is the guilty party here. That person clearly didn't tell anybody about it. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer for the film "Rust," says she checked the ammunition prior to Alec Baldwin being given the gun and "ensured they were not 'hot' rounds." But assistant director David Halls, who was supposed to check her work, admitted that he didn't check all her work.
October 28, 20214 yr 43 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? Seems that a lot of people who want to blame him, believe he had that duty of care. Only thing is, he didn't. Fact is he didn't load the gun. He didn't insert a live round into the chamber. He didn't know there was a live round and was relying on others to confirm that the gun provided to him was safe and loaded with blanks. The person who inserted the live round into the chamber is the guilty party here. That person clearly didn't tell anybody about it. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer for the film "Rust," says she checked the ammunition prior to Alec Baldwin being given the gun and "ensured they were not 'hot' rounds." But assistant director David Halls, who was supposed to check her work, admitted that he didn't check all her work. Libs: we need to do away with all guns also libs: if Hollywood actors want to play pretend with guns and point and fire them at each other then they should should be allowed to and they they shouldn’t have to practice the basic safety precautions while doing so.
October 28, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? Seems that a lot of people who want to blame him, believe he had that duty of care. Only thing is, he didn't. Fact is he didn't load the gun. He didn't insert a live round into the chamber. He didn't know there was a live round and was relying on others to confirm that the gun provided to him was safe and loaded with blanks. The person who inserted the live round into the chamber is the guilty party here. That person clearly didn't tell anybody about it. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer for the film "Rust," says she checked the ammunition prior to Alec Baldwin being given the gun and "ensured they were not 'hot' rounds." But assistant director David Halls, who was supposed to check her work, admitted that he didn't check all her work. Yeah that’s the problem - you aren’t supposed to rely on others. Even big hot shot actors are supposed to check themselves and are trained to do so. You rely on others to ensure the weapon you’re pulling the trigger on is safe and you deserve the criticism you get when you SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE FACE. Love all these gun control, anti-NRA libs coming to this dudes defense. Maybe if Alec had taken an NRA sponsored safety course this woman would still be alive.
October 28, 20214 yr 32 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? Seems that a lot of people who want to blame him, believe he had that duty of care. Only thing is, he didn't. Fact is he didn't load the gun. He didn't insert a live round into the chamber. He didn't know there was a live round and was relying on others to confirm that the gun provided to him was safe and loaded with blanks. The person who inserted the live round into the chamber is the guilty party here. That person clearly didn't tell anybody about it. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer for the film "Rust," says she checked the ammunition prior to Alec Baldwin being given the gun and "ensured they were not 'hot' rounds." But assistant director David Halls, who was supposed to check her work, admitted that he didn't check all her work. He did not know by his own choice. He could have checked, but he CHOSE not to do so.
October 28, 20214 yr I can’t help but think how Baldwin is busy on social media right after he mistakenly shot and killed an innocent human being (a young mother no less) and meanwhile we haven’t heard from trump on the matter. You know he is biting his tongue. Could trump have more class than baldwin? I can’t say for sure but..:. also, this movie will probably get made regardless of the tragedy. Just like the crow did. My personal opinion is they should shut down the set and bite the bullet on this Or if they do follow through with it all proceeds go to victims of gun violence causes
October 28, 20214 yr 51 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Thats quite the possibility. You've seen the video? I was talking about you, idiot. When I want a reply from you, I will address you directly. You may go now.
October 29, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, Boogyman said: I was talking about you, idiot. When I want a reply from you, I will address you directly. You may go now. 😂😂😂 What a spaz
October 29, 20214 yr There's no passing the buck on this one. When you take a gun in your hand, you are responsible for what you do with it. Start with checking if it's loaded, and with what. For example: Blanks on the left and Real Bullets on the right. Pretty easy to tell them apart.
October 29, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, lynched1 said: All around good guy... You forgot to add "impersonated Trump on SNL and made him really sad". That's the thing that made you really dislike him.
October 29, 20214 yr Author Statement from the armorer: Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah had no idea where the live rounds came from. Hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnesses anyone shoot live rounds with these guns and nor would she permit that. They were locked up every night and at lunch and there’s no way a single one of them was unaccounted for or being shot by crew members. Refutes the crew doing target practice rumor.
October 29, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Statement from the armorer: Ultimately this set would never have been compromised if live ammo were not introduced. Hannah had no idea where the live rounds came from. Hannah and the prop master gained control over the guns and she never witnesses anyone shoot live rounds with these guns and nor would she permit that. They were locked up every night and at lunch and there’s no way a single one of them was unaccounted for or being shot by crew members. Refutes the crew doing target practice rumor. I also read the 3 (I think it was 3) guns were prepared for a shoot and left on a table when everyone broke for lunch the day of the incident? This contradicts that as well.
October 29, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: I also read the 3 (I think it was 3) guns were prepared for a shoot and left on a table when everyone broke for lunch the day of the incident? This contradicts that as well. I don't think it contradicts that part. If it was sitting on a table waiting to be used, it would be accounted for. She never says the guns were never unattended.
October 29, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: I don't think it contradicts that part. If it was sitting on a table waiting to be used, it would be accounted for. She never says the guns were never unattended. The statement said "locked up every night and for lunch".
October 29, 20214 yr Author Just now, Boogyman said: The statement said "locked up every night and for lunch". Ah, missed that tidbit. Yeah, I guess you're right. Then it basically comes back to how the live round was introduced. Though in her statement says 'rounds', so maybe the gun had multiple live rounds in it, not just one mixed in with blanks, which is even weirder because whoever loaded the gun, which I would imagine would've been her though she doesn't address that here, must've pulled them from the same batch.
October 29, 20214 yr 16 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? Seems that a lot of people who want to blame him, believe he had that duty of care. Only thing is, he didn't. Fact is he didn't load the gun. He didn't insert a live round into the chamber. He didn't know there was a live round and was relying on others to confirm that the gun provided to him was safe and loaded with blanks. The person who inserted the live round into the chamber is the guilty party here. That person clearly didn't tell anybody about it. Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer for the film "Rust," says she checked the ammunition prior to Alec Baldwin being given the gun and "ensured they were not 'hot' rounds." But assistant director David Halls, who was supposed to check her work, admitted that he didn't check all her work. You're so dopey you must be twins.
October 29, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, PoconoDon said: There's no passing the buck on this one. When you take a gun in your hand, you are responsible for what you do with it. Start with checking if it's loaded, and with what. For example: Blanks on the left and Real Bullets on the right. Pretty easy to tell them apart. That’s not really an actor’s job. But you already knew that.
October 29, 20214 yr Author Just now, Dave Moss said: That’s not really an actor’s job. But you already knew that. No, it's not. There's a system on any set where a weapon is supposed to be checked multiple time before arriving in the actor's hand. I'm sure Baldwin will be sued into obscurity here, but the people acting like he was the one responsible for checking the weapon have never been on a set before.
October 29, 20214 yr My, how odd. Baldwin jetted off to another state. I'm sure that is okay for all people under investigation this way, right? Van: Would you pick up a gun and point it at someone without checking it?
October 29, 20214 yr Author 5 minutes ago, Toastrel said: My, how odd. Baldwin jetted off to another state. I'm sure that is okay for all people under investigation this way, right? Van: Would you pick up a gun and point it at someone without checking it? No, of course not, but I'm just telling you the protocol on a set like this. I certainly don't care one bit about Baldwin and like I said, they'll sue the pants off of him, but acting like firing a weapon on an active set where there are very specific practices in place is the same as firing a weapon under a normal circumstance is just plain wrong.
October 29, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No, of course not, but I'm just telling you the protocol on a set like this. I certainly don't care one bit about Baldwin and like I said, they'll sue the pants off of him, but acting like firing a weapon on an active set where there are very specific practices in place is the same as firing a weapon under a normal circumstance is just plain wrong. I am in 100% agreement that the AD is at fault. The protocols were not followed and somebody died. The fact that an experienced actor did not bother to open the gun to check the load (even if it has a blank, there are protocols for shooting them) is part of the problem. Either the person handing him the gun SHOWS him it is not loaded, or he should check. This is responsible adult behavior 101.
October 29, 20214 yr 17 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: Yeah, and where in the law is he required to do so, when making a movie? Is he required to open the barrel of the gun and check each bullet individually to make sure they are blanks with no rounds attached before using it? yes. sorry, gun safety doesn't stop at a hollywood diva like baldwin.
October 29, 20214 yr Quote The weapons master is required to be on set whenever a weapon is being used. The Actors' Equity Association's guidelines state that, "Before each use, make sure the gun has been test-fired offstage, and then ask to test fire it yourself. Watch the prop master check the cylinders and barrel to be sure no foreign object or dummy bullet has become lodged inside." Further, "All loading of firearms must be done by the property master, armourer or experienced persons working under their direct supervision."
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