January 20, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, mikemack8 said: If Baldwin was being tried for being a gigantic d-head, he'd get the death penalty. As it stands, I'll be shocked if he gets more than like community service or some ish I remember thinking he was a huge a-hole when the whole voicemail to his daughter thing came out several years ago, but until I had kids of my own, I didn't fully understand just how much of a horribly disturbed person someone has to be for a father to talk that way to his own daughter. JFC, what a psycho that dude is.
January 20, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: If Baldwin was being tried for being a gigantic d-head, he'd get the death penalty. As it stands, I'll be shocked if he gets more than like community service or some ish According to NM law if he’s convicted of the more serious charge (he’s been charged with 2 counts) it has a mandatory sentence of 5 years in prison
January 20, 20232 yr Author 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: If Baldwin was being tried for being a gigantic d-head, he'd get the death penalty. As it stands, I'll be shocked if he gets more than like community service or some ish 5 minutes ago, mikemack8 said: If Baldwin was being tried for being a gigantic d-head, he'd get the death penalty. As it stands, I'll be shocked if he gets more than like community service or some ish On a side note - Van being a giant fanboy of someone like Alec Baldwin is the least surprising thing I've read in CVON all year. You just lost a like.
January 20, 20232 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: You just lost a like. That was some 4D chess - adding a sidebar at the exact moment you were liking my post.
January 20, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, binkybink77 said: Baldwin’s handling of the firearm could be considered criminally negligent which is the standard in New Mexico for involuntary manslaughter. Pointing the gun at a person and pulling the trigger falls under this handling of the weapon. I don’t disagree that his role as owner of the production company and producer may play a role here as well.. e.g. there are reports that the armorer was instructed to stay outside of the set for Covid reasons. OSHA has already ruled that there were workplace violations in the set - but OSHA isn’t a criminal authority nor do they go after individuals. They specifically charged Baldwin and not other producers on the set because he individually handled the weapon - and again in NM for it to be involuntary manslaughter that includes an element of criminal negligence on his own part. I’ll be curious to see if they found anything in his cell phone to support either his culpability as an actor and or a producer. ETA - I believe the armorer also claims she requested Baldwin take part in additional training for this scene and he refused.. I wonder if that will turn up in his cell phone search. Yeah but pointing a prop at someone in the confines of a movie setting isn't the same as pointing it at someone I'm general. The additional training for him won't factor in. If he had a reasonable belief that the weapon was empty and cleared to be used as a prop, thats it.
January 20, 20232 yr Brandon Lee died because the gun expert was let go after ALMOST all the weapon scenes. It wasn't properly checked, and the tip of a prop bullet was in the barrel, propelled by the blank into Brandon during the remaining scene with one shot to take place. In this case, somebody either replaced a blank with a real bullet intending to cause mayhem, or one got in the gun some other way for some other reason. The gun was handed to Baldwin by the assistant AD and not the firearms expert. How did the live round get in the weapon?
January 20, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, binkybink77 said: According to NM law if he’s convicted of the more serious charge (he’s been charged with 2 counts) it has a mandatory sentence of 5 years in prison New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine.
January 20, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, Bill said: Yeah but pointing a prop at someone in the confines of a movie setting isn't the same as pointing it at someone I'm general. The additional training for him won't factor in. If he had a reasonable belief that the weapon was empty and cleared to be used as a prop, thats it. Well obviously the DA in Santa Fe who is pursuing the charges disagrees with you: "And then they somehow got loaded into a gun, handed off to Alec Baldwin; he didn't check it, he didn't do any of the things that he was supposed to do to make sure that he was safe or that anyone around him was safe. And then he pointed the gun at Halyna Hutchins and he pulled the trigger." Baldwin was also a producer for "Rust" and therefore had additional responsibilities, the district attorney said. "As a producer, he also had a duty to make sure that the set was safe," Carmack-Altwies said. "And then as an actor that day, he should have checked that gun, checked those projectiles." Obviously being charged doesn’t mean he will be convicted but it is not correct to claim that they do not believe he had responsibility as an individual or an actor.
January 20, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. the 2nd charge is for unlawful portrayal of a former potus & triggering magas and has a mandatory 5 year sentence, if convicted.
January 20, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said: New Mexico state laws mark this charge of involuntary manslaughter as a fourth-degree felony with up to 18 months in jail and up to a $5,000 fine. There are two counts. The lesser charge would carry up to 18 months - the more serious charge which includes firearm enhancement carries a mandatory 5 year sentence in the state prison.
January 20, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: the 2nd charge is for unlawful portrayal of a former potus & triggering magas and has a mandatory 5 year sentence, if convicted. Look I liked Beetlejuice as much as the next person but Alec Baldwin is equally as detestable as Trump is. They are both gross… two sides of the same coin.
January 20, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, binkybink77 said: Look I liked Beetlejuice as much as the next person but Alec Baldwin is equally as detestable as Trump is. They are both gross… two sides of the same coin. all the baldwins are gross. alec happens to have the biggest mouth out of all of 'em...so he's the most hated.
January 20, 20232 yr 24 minutes ago, Kz! said: I hope he gets the death penalty. What did he do again? 1 hour ago, mr_hunt said: the 2nd charge is for unlawful portrayal of a former potus & triggering magas and has a mandatory 5 year sentence, if convicted.
January 20, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, Toastrel said: Brandon Lee died because the gun expert was let go after ALMOST all the weapon scenes. It wasn't properly checked, and the tip of a prop bullet was in the barrel, propelled by the blank into Brandon during the remaining scene with one shot to take place. In this case, somebody either replaced a blank with a real bullet intending to cause mayhem, or one got in the gun some other way for some other reason. The gun was handed to Baldwin by the assistant AD and not the firearms expert. How did the live round get in the weapon? That's what I want to know. That person also needs to be charged. But who was it? Are they still investigating that? That's intentional. These other folks should have checked the weapon. I don't have a problem with charges being brought. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-put-a-live-round-in-the-gun-alec-baldwin-s-rust-co-star-speaks-out/ar-AA16ym5N?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=67430fb298ab4adeb826d589397c0c51
January 20, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, binkybink77 said: Look I liked Beetlejuice as much as the next person but Alec Baldwin is equally as detestable as Trump is. They are both gross… two sides of the same coin. I'm not an Alec Baldwin supporter buuuuuut... I had to vote for him for best actor because the only other option was an evil socialist and would've destroyed the country in less than a year's time.
January 20, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, binkybink77 said: Well obviously the DA in Santa Fe who is pursuing the charges disagrees with you: "And then they somehow got loaded into a gun, handed off to Alec Baldwin; he didn't check it, he didn't do any of the things that he was supposed to do to make sure that he was safe or that anyone around him was safe. And then he pointed the gun at Halyna Hutchins and he pulled the trigger." Baldwin was also a producer for "Rust" and therefore had additional responsibilities, the district attorney said. "As a producer, he also had a duty to make sure that the set was safe," Carmack-Altwies said. "And then as an actor that day, he should have checked that gun, checked those projectiles." Obviously being charged doesn’t mean he will be convicted but it is not correct to claim that they do not believe he had responsibility as an individual or an actor. I didn't make any claim as to what the Santa Fe County DAs office thought the responsibility was. I made a claim after reading the manslaughter statute for the state of New Mexico, and then applying what I inferred from that to my anecdotal experience as a former law enforcement officer. Earlier today while working out with one of the guys I'm working with over here, it came up on the news and he came to the same conclusion as me based on his anecdotal experience as a higher ranking officer at his country's national police force, with the said country's legal system being based on the British common law system, like our federal system and 49 out of the 50 states, New Mexico included.
January 20, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Bill said: I didn't make any claim as to what the Santa Fe County DAs office thought the responsibility was. I made a claim after reading the manslaughter statute for the state of New Mexico, and then applying what I inferred from that to my anecdotal experience as a former law enforcement officer. Are you sure that's the reason? Are you sure it's not because you want to have sex with Alec Baldwin?
January 20, 20232 yr I love how whatever opinion you have on this incident means you either love or hate Baldwin lmao. Someone used the word simpleton earlier, but it was definitely used in the wrong context.
January 20, 20232 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Are you sure that's the reason? Are you sure it's not because you want to have sex with Alec Baldwin? The last thing I saw him in was about a month ago in It's Complicated. But since I'm in Ukraine it was dubbed in Russian. The only thing I got from it was that Meryl Streep has a surprisingly nice a** for her age.
January 20, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, Bill said: I didn't make any claim as to what the Santa Fe County DAs office thought the responsibility was. I made a claim after reading the manslaughter statute for the state of New Mexico, and then applying what I inferred from that to my anecdotal experience as a former law enforcement officer. Earlier today while working out with one of the guys I'm working with over here, it came up on the news and he came to the same conclusion as me based on his anecdotal experience as a higher ranking officer at his country's national police force, with the said country's legal system being based on the British common law system, like our federal system and 49 out of the 50 states, New Mexico included. That’s fine if that’s like your opinion man - but you really didn’t state it as your personal interpretation. 🤷🏻♀️ The DA is probably more familiar with the laws in Santa Fe both living there and attending law school. The DA clearly sees this as a criminally negligent and possibly reckless action by Baldwin. That’s why I have been saying that they don’t necessarily care what the industry standards are for this in Hollywood or on movie sets - that don’t appear to have been properly followed in this case anyway. You also have other actors like Clooney who claim you absolutely should be responsible for checking a firearm in the commission of a scene. Actors shouldn’t get some special treatment in not knowing how to properly handle a working firearm. The current standards should remain with the added requirement for the actor to be another check during the scene. If Santa Fe and their jury decide that their statute should be interpreted and applied that an actor is responsible for safety measures when handling a gun it could and should set a new precedent within that industry. Quite frankly I think they are better off not using actual working firearms to begin with.
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