NFL Draft expert says who Eagles should get with 2022 1st-round pick to replace Jalen Hurts

[time2rock]

NFL Draft expert says who Eagles should get with 2022 1st-round pick to replace Jalen Hurts

Updated: Oct. 28, 2021, 6:51 a.m. | Published: Oct. 28, 2021, 6:47 a.m.

By Mike Rosenstein | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Thanks to Howie Roseman’s wheeling and dealing, the Philadelphia Eagles could have as many as three first-round picks in the 2022 NFL Draft.

ESPN’s Todd McShay thinks the Eagles general manager needs to use one of those selections on a new franchise quarterback.

McShay joined ESPN’s "Get Up!” on Wednesday and explained why the Eagles need to move on from Jalen Hurts and who Philadelphia should target in the draft.

"Listen, Jalen Hurts, he’s played within the system and I wouldn’t say he’s the biggest reason why the Eagles are struggling. But I don’t think he’s the answer moving forward if you’re trying to build a championship roster and trying to make a legitimate run at the Super Bowl. So if they’re in position to get Malik Willis, who has emerged as the No. 1 clear-cut quarterback in this year’s class coming out of Liberty, I think they have to make that pick. He’s a bigger, mobile version. You know, both guys, Hurts and Willis, have mobility, but I think he creates more and he’s more dynamic throwing the ball on the run and throwing the ball down the field than Hurts has been in his first couple of years with the Eagles.

"So I think they go quarterback if they have the opportunity to take Willis with that first pick, whatever that pick number-wise ends up being. And maybe they use one of their other first-round picks, they’ve got three in the first round coming up in 2022, to move up and go get Willis to make sure they can get ahead of some other teams that might have interest.”

Hurts will continue to make his case for being the Eagles’ franchise quarterback on Sunday when Philadelphia visits the Detroit Lions.

Here’s a preview of the game from NFL PR:

Eagles

• QB JALEN HURTS passed for 236 yards & 2 TDs vs. 0 INTs for 94.7 rating & rushed for 61 yards in Week 7. Has 30+ rush yards in each of his 1st 11 career starts. Has 9 TDs (7 pass, 2 rush) vs. 3 INTs for 91.9 rating in 4 road starts this season. Aims for 5th start in row on road with 2+ total TDs.

• RB MILES SANDERS has 50+ scrimmage yards in 5 of his past 6 on road. Has 50+ scrimmage yards in 5 of 7 games this season. RB BOSTON SCOTT had 1st rush TD of season last week. Rookie RB KENNETH GAINWELL had 61 scrimmage yards (41 rec., 20 rush) & 1st-career TD catch in Week 7.

• TE DALLAS GOEDERT led team with 70 rec. yards last week. Has 50+ rec. yards in 3 of his past 4. Rookie WR DEVONTA SMITH had team-high 5 catches & 61 rec. yards last week. Has 5+ catches in 3 of 4 career road games. Is 1 of 3 rookies (JA’MARR CHASE & KYLE PITTS) with 30+ catches (32) & 400+ rec. yards (406). WR JALEN REAGOR had 3rd-career rec. TD last week.

• LB ALEX SINGLETON had 9 tackles & TFL last week. Aims for his 7th in row with 9+ tackles. Since 2020, ranks 5th in NFL with 188 tackles. DT JAVON HARGRAVE has 5 sacks in 4 road games this season. DT FLETCHER COX had sack in last road meeting. CB DARIUS SLAY had 341 tackles, 104 PD & 19 INTs in 103 games (2013-19) with Det. Since 2013, leads NFL with 113 PD. S MARCUS EPPS led team with career-high 11 tackles in Week 7. Aims for his 3rd in row on road with 8+ tackles. CB AVONTE MADDUX had 1st INT of season last week, his 3rd-career INT.

Lions

• QB JARED GOFF passed for 268 yards & had TD pass last week. Passed for 267 yards & 3 TDs vs. 0 INTs for 142.1 rating in his last start vs. Phi. (9/20/20 w/ LAR). Has 90+ rating in 2 of his 3 home starts in 2021.

• RB D’ANDRE SWIFT had season-high 144 scrimmage yards (career-high 96 rec., 48 rush), tied his career-high with 8 receptions & had 4th-career TD catch last week. Aims for his 4th in row overall & 5th in row at home with TD. Has 100+ scrimmage yards in 2 of 3 home games this season. Leads all RBs in receptions (42) & rec. yards (391) in 2021. RB JAMAAL WILLIAMS rushed for 57 yards last week. Has 50+ rush yards in 3 of his past 4.

• TE T.J. HOCKENSON had 6 catches & 48 rec. yards last week & aims for his 3rd in row with 6+ catches. Ranks 2nd among TEs with 38 catches in 2021. WR KALIF RAYMOND had 6 catches for season-high 115 yards in Week 7, his 2nd-career 100-yard game. Aims for his 3rd in row at home & 3rd in row overall with 6+ catches.

• LB JULIAN OKWARA had sack & PD last week. Aims for his 3rd in row with sack. LB JALEN REEVES-MABIN had season-high 8 tackles last week & aims for his 4th in row with 5+ tackles. LB ALEX ANZALONE has 5+ tackles in 5 of his past 6. CB AMANI ORUWARIYE aims for his 3rd in row at home with INT & 4th in row at home with PD. S TRACY WALKER had 8 tackles last week. Aims for his 4th in row with PD.

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/10/nfl-draft-expert-says-who-eagles-should-pick-in-2022-to-replace-jalen-hurts.html

[GreenbleedinNC]

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

NFL Draft expert says who Eagles should get with 2022 1st-round pick to replace Jalen Hurts

Updated: Oct. 28, 2021, 6:51 a.m. | Published: Oct. 28, 2021, 6:47 a.m.

By Mike Rosenstein | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

Thanks to Howie Roseman’s wheeling and dealing, the Philadelphia Eagles could have as many as three first-round picks in the 2022 NFL Draft.

ESPN’s Todd McShay thinks the Eagles general manager needs to use one of those selections on a new franchise quarterback.

McShay joined ESPN’s "Get Up!” on Wednesday and explained why the Eagles need to move on from Jalen Hurts and who Philadelphia should target in the draft.

"Listen, Jalen Hurts, he’s played within the system and I wouldn’t say he’s the biggest reason why the Eagles are struggling. But I don’t think he’s the answer moving forward if you’re trying to build a championship roster and trying to make a legitimate run at the Super Bowl. So if they’re in position to get Malik Willis, who has emerged as the No. 1 clear-cut quarterback in this year’s class coming out of Liberty, I think they have to make that pick. He’s a bigger, mobile version. You know, both guys, Hurts and Willis, have mobility, but I think he creates more and he’s more dynamic throwing the ball on the run and throwing the ball down the field than Hurts has been in his first couple of years with the Eagles.

"So I think they go quarterback if they have the opportunity to take Willis with that first pick, whatever that pick number-wise ends up being. And maybe they use one of their other first-round picks, they’ve got three in the first round coming up in 2022, to move up and go get Willis to make sure they can get ahead of some other teams that might have interest.”

Hurts will continue to make his case for being the Eagles’ franchise quarterback on Sunday when Philadelphia visits the Detroit Lions.

Here’s a preview of the game from NFL PR:

Eagles

• QB JALEN HURTS passed for 236 yards & 2 TDs vs. 0 INTs for 94.7 rating & rushed for 61 yards in Week 7. Has 30+ rush yards in each of his 1st 11 career starts. Has 9 TDs (7 pass, 2 rush) vs. 3 INTs for 91.9 rating in 4 road starts this season. Aims for 5th start in row on road with 2+ total TDs.

• RB MILES SANDERS has 50+ scrimmage yards in 5 of his past 6 on road. Has 50+ scrimmage yards in 5 of 7 games this season. RB BOSTON SCOTT had 1st rush TD of season last week. Rookie RB KENNETH GAINWELL had 61 scrimmage yards (41 rec., 20 rush) & 1st-career TD catch in Week 7.

• TE DALLAS GOEDERT led team with 70 rec. yards last week. Has 50+ rec. yards in 3 of his past 4. Rookie WR DEVONTA SMITH had team-high 5 catches & 61 rec. yards last week. Has 5+ catches in 3 of 4 career road games. Is 1 of 3 rookies (JA’MARR CHASE & KYLE PITTS) with 30+ catches (32) & 400+ rec. yards (406). WR JALEN REAGOR had 3rd-career rec. TD last week.

• LB ALEX SINGLETON had 9 tackles & TFL last week. Aims for his 7th in row with 9+ tackles. Since 2020, ranks 5th in NFL with 188 tackles. DT JAVON HARGRAVE has 5 sacks in 4 road games this season. DT FLETCHER COX had sack in last road meeting. CB DARIUS SLAY had 341 tackles, 104 PD & 19 INTs in 103 games (2013-19) with Det. Since 2013, leads NFL with 113 PD. S MARCUS EPPS led team with career-high 11 tackles in Week 7. Aims for his 3rd in row on road with 8+ tackles. CB AVONTE MADDUX had 1st INT of season last week, his 3rd-career INT.

Lions

• QB JARED GOFF passed for 268 yards & had TD pass last week. Passed for 267 yards & 3 TDs vs. 0 INTs for 142.1 rating in his last start vs. Phi. (9/20/20 w/ LAR). Has 90+ rating in 2 of his 3 home starts in 2021.

• RB D’ANDRE SWIFT had season-high 144 scrimmage yards (career-high 96 rec., 48 rush), tied his career-high with 8 receptions & had 4th-career TD catch last week. Aims for his 4th in row overall & 5th in row at home with TD. Has 100+ scrimmage yards in 2 of 3 home games this season. Leads all RBs in receptions (42) & rec. yards (391) in 2021. RB JAMAAL WILLIAMS rushed for 57 yards last week. Has 50+ rush yards in 3 of his past 4.

• TE T.J. HOCKENSON had 6 catches & 48 rec. yards last week & aims for his 3rd in row with 6+ catches. Ranks 2nd among TEs with 38 catches in 2021. WR KALIF RAYMOND had 6 catches for season-high 115 yards in Week 7, his 2nd-career 100-yard game. Aims for his 3rd in row at home & 3rd in row overall with 6+ catches.

• LB JULIAN OKWARA had sack & PD last week. Aims for his 3rd in row with sack. LB JALEN REEVES-MABIN had season-high 8 tackles last week & aims for his 4th in row with 5+ tackles. LB ALEX ANZALONE has 5+ tackles in 5 of his past 6. CB AMANI ORUWARIYE aims for his 3rd in row at home with INT & 4th in row at home with PD. S TRACY WALKER had 8 tackles last week. Aims for his 4th in row with PD.

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/10/nfl-draft-expert-says-who-eagles-should-pick-in-2022-to-replace-jalen-hurts.html

Small college, you are taking a serious risk with your 1 pick. And while I have nothing against small college players, they have not faced the top teams, so IMO I would choose someone else who has been "battle tested"

[birdman#12]

If you want to win a super bowl, you have to draft and DEVELOP a pocket passer that has good pocket awareness and movement who can occasionally scamper for a few yards.

When a QB is a good runner and he's under pressure, he won't go thru all his read and he will run too soon....Instead of looking downfield, he'll look for open space....

I want a QB who will constantly keep his eyes downfield with pass first thinking.......A QB can do more damage passing than running.

The QBs who have played over the last 25 years, the ones who were primarily pocket passers, have higher winning pctg, highest QBRs, won more super bowls.....

Lamar Jackson has been very good in the regular season, but terrible in the playoffs.

The NFL GMs and coaches get all wrapped up in the dual threat illusion.....but the numbers still show that a pocket passer is still the best route to a super bowl.

 

 

[GreenbleedinNC]

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022?pos=QB   

[PoconoDon]

There doesn't appear to be any QB prospect worthy of an early pick in the 2022 draft. To take one out of need is a HUGE mistake. To use two or more picks to trade up for one of these average guys in the 1st round is player personnel suicide.

McShay is nuts.

[time2rock]

23 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

If you want to win a super bowl, you have to draft and DEVELOP a pocket passer that has good pocket awareness and movement who can occasionally scamper for a few yards.

When a QB is a good runner and he's under pressure, he won't go thru all his read and he will run too soon....Instead of looking downfield, he'll look for open space....

I want a QB who will constantly keep his eyes downfield with pass first thinking.......A QB can do more damage passing than running.

The QBs who have played over the last 25 years, the ones who were primarily pocket passers, have higher winning pctg, highest QBRs, won more super bowls.....

Lamar Jackson has been very good in the regular season, but terrible in the playoffs.

The NFL GMs and coaches get all wrapped up in the dual threat illusion.....but the numbers still show that a pocket passer is still the best route to a super bowl.

 

 

I could not agree more.  Give me the guy who excels at passing (accuracy, throwing with anticipation, being able to go through all of his reads, seeing the field well, etc.) but may not have as much mobility over a QB who is somewhat weak in those areas but can use his legs extremely well.  If they have both then all the better, but if choosing between the 2, I take the former 24/7/365.  

[time2rock]

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

There doesn't appear to be any QB prospect worthy of an early pick in the 2022 draft. To take one out of need is a HUGE mistake. To use two or more picks to trade up for one of these average guys in the 1st round is player personnel suicide.

McShay is nuts.

I would like to see us use 2 of our 1st rd picks on defensive players and trade down with another (perhaps to late 1st picking up a 2023 1st and perhaps a 2022 2nd or 3rd, depending on how far we trade down).  I wouldn't hate it if we used either a late 1st (that we would pick up from the trade down) or our own early 2nd on someone like Pickett, but taking him in the top half of the 1st would be a reach.  He intrigues me.  

[GreenbleedinNC]

5 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

There doesn't appear to be any QB prospect worthy of an early pick in the 2022 draft. To take one out of need is a HUGE mistake. To use two or more picks to trade up for one of these average guys in the 1st round is player personnel suicide.

McShay is nuts.

I agree, there are none I would reach or trade for. I'm thinking like Ridder with the LAST round 1 pick or first 2nd. This is a pretty weak class coming,nothing like last year. A few nice linemen and DB's and WR's but after round 2 the talent falls off pretty badly. Even round 2 is "shaky"

[GreenbleedinNC]

5 hours ago, time2rock said:

I could not agree more.  Give me the guy who excels at passing (accuracy, throwing with anticipation, being able to go through all of his reads, seeing the field well, etc.) but may not have as much mobility over a QB who is somewhat weak in those areas but can use his legs extremely well.  If they have both then all the better, but if choosing between the 2, I take the former 24/7/365.  

You just described Wentz LOL

[time2rock]

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You just described Wentz LOL

Wentz wasn't accurate. He also did not throw with anticipation.  I like when a QB can throw a guy open ... that certainly was not Wentz either.  

[GreenbleedinNC]

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

Wentz wasn't accurate. He also did not throw with anticipation.  I like when a QB can throw a guy open ... that certainly was not Wentz either.  

What????? He did it for 4 years lol(with 5th string WR's at the end). He threw for 4,000 yards with NO receivers Over 500,is that Wentz's fault??? How many dropped passes did he deal with that were ON THE MONEY?

[time2rock]

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What????? He did it for 4 years lol(with 5th string WR's at the end). He threw for 4,000 yards with NO receivers Over 500,is that Wentz's fault??? How many dropped passes did he deal with that were ON THE MONEY?

How many passes sailed 3 yards over the heads of his receivers on screens?  How many times did you see him throw his receiver open?  How many deep passes did you see the receiver have to slow down and turn into a defender to prevent an INT or the ball sailed an extra 5 yards past him?  Wentz was not accurate … just stop.  

[UK_EaglesFan89]

18 hours ago, time2rock said:

So I think they go quarterback if they have the opportunity to take Willis with that first pick, whatever that pick number-wise ends up being. And maybe they use one of their other first-round picks, they’ve got three in the first round coming up in 2022, to move up and go get Willis to make sure they can get ahead of some other teams that might have interest.

Look... If people want to talk themselves in to Willis then fine. I'm still not fully on board but I can understand the appeal. But to give up one of our other first round picks to move up? I mean firstly, no! And secondly, I'm not sure that will be necessary? We could have a top 3 pick via the Dolphins. I guess the risk would be if Detroit is ahead of them? Or I guess another team moving up. But still I'm not sure I'd give up another first round pick to get any of these QBs. A high first round pick already feels more than enough. 

[weko]

Key to be a good drafting team is not just to pick good players but to also get good VALUE. QBs always go earlier than they should but you can’t draft one just to take one if he is next up value wise relative to others on the board

[DeathByEagle]

I wouldnt touch Willis in the first 2 days of the draft. No Thank you. He is Jalen Hurts 2.0 who plays for a school who has no real competition. Let another team take the chance on this kid early. 

[pallidrone]

9 minutes ago, weko said:

Key to be a good drafting team is not just to pick good players but to also get good VALUE. QBs always go earlier than they should but you can’t draft one just to take one if he is next up value wise relative to others on the board

Value - the most overused nonsensical term used for the draft. It is a term coined by draftniks to make themselves feel important.

The only thing that matters in the draft is whether you get players that actually produce for you or not.

[time2rock]

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

Value - the most overused nonsensical term used for the draft. It is a term coined by draftniks to make themselves feel important.

The only thing that matters in the draft is whether you get players that actually produce for you or not.

I think the point he was trying to make is, if you have a choice between an elite talent at DE or a QB that is pretty good but not nearly as good an overall talent as the DE but the QB is rated higher than he should be because (1) the position tends to be rated higher in general relative to other positions and (2) he is one of the better players in a weak class at his position, then it makes sense to take the DE.  

And IMO he is right ... that is the better way to build a winning roster.  

[pallidrone]

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

I think the point he was trying to make is, if you have a choice between an elite talent at DE or a QB that is pretty good but not nearly as good an overall talent as the DE but the QB is rated higher than he should be because (1) the position tends to be rated higher in general relative to other positions and (2) he is one of the better players in a weak class at his position, then it makes sense to take the DE.  

And IMO he is right ... that is the better way to build a winning roster.  

Maybe. It is just a term that I know gets thrown around a lot.

Value means nothing at all to me. What matters is if the player can play and produces for you. If a team drafts a player that is pegged to be a UDFA by the pundits in the second round and that player becomes an all pro, does it matter in the long run where they drafted him as long as he is a member of the team?

[weko]

5 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Maybe. It is just a term that I know gets thrown around a lot.

Value means nothing at all to me. What matters is if the player can play and produces for you. If a team drafts a player that is pegged to be a UDFA by the pundits in the second round and that player becomes an all pro, does it matter in the long run where they drafted him as long as he is a member of the team?

Most important is positional valuation.  The premium picks determine whether you will be a good team or not and these players can not often be traded for or signed as free agents.  1)  QB  2)  LT  3)  CB & DE  4)  RT & DT.  Good drafters focus on these positions in the 1st and 2nd rounds and into the 3rd.  Next comes interior O line and skill positions.  You can get excellent value here in rounds 3-4 and sometimes 5.  Then everyone else.  As your team gets better you have the luxury of considering good players in lesser valued positions earlier in the draft.  that's a good blue print for how the rich get richer.  As for player value, there is nothing wrong with drafting a player you love a bit early.  But you don't take a player with a 4th-5th round grade (Whiteside)  in the 2nd round.  Trade down and get more picks then take the player a bit early if you really like him.