7 hours ago, CouchKing said:

If we don't give away all our picks for Watson...

With signing of Haason Reddick, Jordan Davis is moving up my board.

I expect Fletcher Cox to get traded/moved around June so it's not a salary cap hit.

Cox has a massive dead cap the next two years. I doubt he's going anywhere barring maybe a mid-season trade to a contender.

NFL trade rumors: Eagles’ still getting calls about Fletcher Cox, per report (yahoo.com)

" A big hurdle in the way of a trade is Cox’s contract, which has been restructured enough times to become one of the more confusing deals in the NFL. Because of all these kick-the-can restructures, if Cox were to be traded before June 1, it would result in a massive dead cap number for the Eagles in 2021. So if a trade ever gets off the ground, it might require some help from Cox in the form of another restructure. Or they could wait to deal him until after June 1 "

This is the article that suggests that the Eagles would trade him for the right price and that it would make sense after June 1.

Question is: What is the cap hit after June 1?

44 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

NFL trade rumors: Eagles’ still getting calls about Fletcher Cox, per report (yahoo.com)

" A big hurdle in the way of a trade is Cox’s contract, which has been restructured enough times to become one of the more confusing deals in the NFL. Because of all these kick-the-can restructures, if Cox were to be traded before June 1, it would result in a massive dead cap number for the Eagles in 2021. So if a trade ever gets off the ground, it might require some help from Cox in the form of another restructure. Or they could wait to deal him until after June 1 "

This is the article that suggests that the Eagles would trade him for the right price and that it would make sense after June 1.

Question is: What is the cap hit after June 1?

after june 1st i think you still eat about 40 million but it’s over two years and not near easier to swallow.. i think you actually save 2 million in cap for this year.. if some of these teams get davis they may not need/want cox anymore.

Davis can play in any scheme. This is not an overthought type of pick. Get him on your defensive line and you are immediately helping your LBs, and DE's. It won't matter if he single gaps or 2 gaps.

18 hours ago, CouchKing said:

NFL trade rumors: Eagles’ still getting calls about Fletcher Cox, per report (yahoo.com)

" A big hurdle in the way of a trade is Cox’s contract, which has been restructured enough times to become one of the more confusing deals in the NFL. Because of all these kick-the-can restructures, if Cox were to be traded before June 1, it would result in a massive dead cap number for the Eagles in 2021. So if a trade ever gets off the ground, it might require some help from Cox in the form of another restructure. Or they could wait to deal him until after June 1 "

This is the article that suggests that the Eagles would trade him for the right price and that it would make sense after June 1.

Question is: What is the cap hit after June 1?

 

17 hours ago, Cheesteakitis said:

after june 1st i think you still eat about 40 million but it’s over two years and not near easier to swallow.. i think you actually save 2 million in cap for this year.. if some of these teams get davis they may not need/want cox anymore.

 

Eagles cap as it stands

 

 

Eagles cap if Fletcher Cox is traded after June 1st.  Gain 2 million this year, lose 15 million next year, gain 18 million in 2024

 

 

On 3/16/2022 at 12:18 PM, downundermike said:

 

 

Eagles cap as it stands

 

 

Eagles cap if Fletcher Cox is traded after June 1st.  Gain 2 million this year, lose 15 million next year, gain 18 million in 2024

 

Yes, thank you.  We know the dead money hit to the 2023 cap is roughly $15M.  This was a strategy to rid themselves of dead money after 2023.  It also allowed them to save some cap now (even if only $2M ... every little bit helps).  Brilliant move by Howie.  

Looking at draft value chart, we could trade our #15 pick and our second round pick at #51 to move up to #8.

Or trade our third round pick to move up to #10 or #11.

Then we pick Jordan Davis. 

4 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Looking at draft value chart, we could trade our #15 pick and our second round pick at #51 to move up to #8.

Or trade our third round pick to move up to #10 or #11.

Then we pick Jordan Davis. 

I love JD99, but I'm also comfortable with a tradeback for Travis Jones.  A trade-up for Travon, yes, I'd do that (especially if I was confident that we could easily push back from 19 to recoup the pick).

15 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Looking at draft value chart, we could trade our #15 pick and our second round pick at #51 to move up to #8.

Or trade our third round pick to move up to #10 or #11.

Then we pick Jordan Davis. 

I think the biggest obstacle is trading up past the Ravens since I'm assuming they're the most likely destination if JD falls. Texans and Jets seem like the most likely targets since they're both out of conference and have two 1st rounders before we pick.

I wouldn‘t even mind trading up a bit to get him, but I feel like we’ll only pick him if he’s available at 15. If he is though I think they actually will take him.

2 hours ago, Infam said:

I wouldn‘t even mind trading up a bit to get him, but I feel like we’ll only pick him if he’s available at 15. If he is though I think they actually will take him.

I wouldn't mind but I'd like to know how much the team think he can progress in terms of pass rush. I wouldn't want to trade up for a guy that becomes a pure run stuffer.

If we take him in the first round, especially if we trade up… who do we sit to get him on the field? 

1 hour ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

If we take him in the first round, especially if we trade up… who do we sit to get him on the field? 

Rotation is a big part of our defensive line. It wouldn't hurt to give Cox fewer snaps to keep him better rested. 

25 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Rotation is a big part of our defensive line. It wouldn't hurt to give Cox fewer snaps to keep him better rested. 

Obviously we can rotate guys. I meant who sits so our new guy can start? Or are we really trading up for a dt that isn’t going to start? 

Davis is almost surely going top 10 and gut says top 7 (for some reason I think the Giants scoop him up with pick 5 or 7).  I don't see us trading two 1s to go up and get him.  

I think it is more likely Walker may fall to 11 or 12 and we package a 3 along with one of our 1s to grab him and then perhaps grab Wyatt with one of our other 1s.  

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

Davis is almost surely going top 10 and gut says top 7 (for some reason I think the Giants scoop him up with pick 5 or 7).  I don't see us trading two 1s to go up and get him.  

I think it is more likely Walker may fall to 11 or 12 and we package a 3 along with one of our 1s to grab him and then perhaps grab Wyatt with one of our other 1s.  

Giants still have Dexter Lawrence so I think they stick with OT/DE; MIN/BAL ahead and SD directly behind makes things pretty pretty dicey.

12 hours ago, ibleedgreen1990 said:

Obviously we can rotate guys. I meant who sits so our new guy can start? Or are we really trading up for a dt that isn’t going to start? 

The way we rotate players on the D-line, it doesn't really matter who "starts." Likely Cox and Hargrave "start." but if we draft a DT in the 1st, he and Williams would rotate in to spell them. Last year, both Hargrave and Cox played around 65% of the defensive snaps. I would imagine the coaches would like to get that number lower (to around 55%). Last year Williams played 40% of the defensive snaps. With Cox unlikely to be here more than this season, it makes sense to bring in a guy that would likely get plenty of defensive snaps without technically "starting" in his rookie season.

If we used a 1st on Linderbaum, it's unlikely he would see very many offensive snaps as a rookie behind Kelce. The defensive line is a completely different story by philosophy. 

9 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The way we rotate players on the D-line, it doesn't really matter who "starts." Likely Cox and Hargrave "start." but if we draft a DT in the 1st, he and Williams would rotate in to spell them. Last year, both Hargrave and Cox played around 65% of the defensive snaps. I would imagine the coaches would like to get that number lower (to around 55%). Last year Williams played 40% of the defensive snaps. With Cox unlikely to be here more than this season, it makes sense to bring in a guy that would likely get plenty of defensive snaps without technically "starting" in his rookie season.

If we used a 1st on Linderbaum, it's unlikely he would see very many offensive snaps as a rookie behind Kelce. The defensive line is a completely different story by philosophy. 

Whether we call them starters or just refer to them as "the players who played 65%”, if we move up for a player they have to be that person. Or at least given an honest chance to. 
 

I would have to see us move up for a player and spend a bunch of draft Capitol to do it and then use him the same way we used our later round pick last year. 
 

it’s also worth it to mention that the last game of the season we rested our starters. A more clear example can be given when you look at a per week average. Week 17 vs the football team Cox played 52 snaps while Williams played 26. 
 

Barring injury or resting starters we don’t do a 50/50 snap count with starters and back ups. If we take Jordan Davis, especially if we move up for him, he needs to be the 52 snap guy and not the 26. Someone needs to give up their "starting” role.

On 3/30/2022 at 9:42 PM, ibleedgreen1990 said:

Barring injury or resting starters we don’t do a 50/50 snap count with starters and back ups. If we take Jordan Davis, especially if we move up for him, he needs to be the 52 snap guy and not the 26. Someone needs to give up their "starting” role.

We'd likely play more 3-man surfaces with Reddick as the Jack (hybrid OLB), resulting in fewer early down snaps for Sweat, as he's best suited as a W9 pass rush specialist anyway.  BG might play more of an early down role as well given that he can shift between DE/4i without being a liability.

BG-JD99-MW-----HR

Starting to see murmurs of people cooling on Davis a little bit.  The thought is that he didn't have much production in college and was originally thought of as more of a run-stopper, and he would get winded during games because he was playing at like 360 lbs.  He slimmed down for the combine and posted crazy numbers, which is why everyone was then hyping him up.

Can he maintain his new weight and level of athleticism?  Or will he get fat and lazy and be just the run-stuffer everyone thought he was prior to the combine? He's intriguing for sure, but not without question marks.  I've been hot and cool on him throughout the draft process so far.  I'm getting to the point where I'd be fine taking him at 15, but I don't think I'd want to give up any assets to trade up for him....which is something I could see Howie doing if he covets Davis. 

11 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Starting to see murmurs of people cooling on Davis a little bit.  The thought is that he didn't have much production in college and was originally thought of as more of a run-stopper, and he would get winded during games because he was playing at like 360 lbs.  He slimmed down for the combine and posted crazy numbers, which is why everyone was then hyping him up.

Can he maintain his new weight and level of athleticism?  Or will he get fat and lazy and be just the run-stuffer everyone thought he was prior to the combine? He's intriguing for sure, but not without question marks.  I've been hot and cool on him throughout the draft process so far.  I'm getting to the point where I'd be fine taking him at 15, but I don't think I'd want to give up any assets to trade up for him....which is something I could see Howie doing if he covets Davis. 

Agreed. He has the talent, but does he have the drive to be great and reach his full potential? He could be a game wrecker for a decade, or he could get paid and be nothing more than a situational player for one contract.

Either way, you’re a complete fool if you’re wrong.

9 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Agreed. He has the talent, but does he have the drive to be great and reach his full potential? He could be a game wrecker for a decade, or he could get paid and be nothing more than a situational player for one contract.

Either way, you’re a complete fool if you’re wrong.

Hopefully the Eagles' scouting has a good idea about him. Of course, scouting is an imperfect process.  If we take him, I hope we don't get the Albert Haynesworth version after he signed a big deal with Washington.  Remember that guy?

Obviously I'm not a GM or scout, but I would tend to lean away from players with questions as much as possible during the first round.  Whether it's performance, attitude or injury...any types of big questions would give me pause about taking a player.  Thibadeaux, for example - he's intriguing, but he has questions about his desire for football and taking plays off.  Jameson Williams - will he get back to pre-injury form?  And obviously Davis - is he a true "unicorn" or did he just blow his load on preparing for the Combine?

Sometimes you take chances, sometimes you have to just play it safe.  Give me a player with talent and the least amount of questions. 

Jordan Davis is the real deal.

Draft the fat hog