November 16, 20213 yr Yes, cut him some slack - Gannon is a rookie DC, working under a rookie head coach Sirianni... Cut the whole team some slack. They were never supposed to compete for anything significant this year in the first place. They aren't going to win the Super Bowl this year. Also, No - This is the NFL and they have to produce. I am content to let the year play out, then assess him accordingly.
November 16, 20213 yr 10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said: I truly question if Hargrave could go start some where else. Even Cox seems burnt and would likely end up as a rotational guy. This defense, talent wise, IS AWFUL. Like I said before, between the picks, the free agents you could have 7 or 8 new starters next year. thats crazy Hargrave is not the player that everyone thought he was through 6 games this year, nor is he the player that everyone thought he was last year. He's somewhere in between, which is a good starter at DT. JMO.
November 16, 20213 yr 6 hours ago, eagle45 said: Hargrave is not the player that everyone thought he was through 6 games this year, nor is he the player that everyone thought he was last year. He's somewhere in between, which is a good starter at DT. JMO. I think he's seeing a lot more double teams though? And given nobody else on the DL is really performing oppositions OL don't have to worry top much about anyone else.
November 16, 20213 yr 13 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: I just don’t know. Howie really seems (according to some people in the media) like he’s planning to try and get one of these quarterbacks. Personally I think it’s a mistake, and I believe this defensive line could use some upgrading. BG coming off a terrible injury. Cox having his worst season as a player. Barnett all but gone. This defense needs infusions of talent all around, but in particular on the defensive line. There isn’t much depth anymore especially at DE. The media is extremely untrustworthy. But it could be right. Hurts really looks cheap, signed, and top 1/3. Apparently, there are a lot of DE projected in the first round.
November 16, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, Bacarty2 said: Wait, so you named 1 team from almost 10 years ago that the eagles fit in perfectly with, thats the definition of historically bad. Fletcher cox blows. he hasnt been good in 3 years. The Eagles have a worse LB crew then both the Raiders and the Browns you mentioned before. And when you mention the 3 draft picks and free agents it only backs up my point. Out of the 11ish guys on this roster you could have 4 or 5 of them lose thier starting jobs to ROOKIES and another 2-3 to Free agents. 80% starter turn over in 1 year is HISTORICALLY BAD You're just wrong. at this moment, the Eagles defense is actually above average. Not historically bad. The facts don't come anywhere close to supporting your position. You seem very stupid. You don't know what "historically bad" means, I guess you just like the sound of it.https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2021.htm The Eagles game up very few points in the last game, they're now at #14 in points given up. Above average.
November 16, 20213 yr I'd say Siri, Hurts and Gannon all have the entire 17 game season to be evaluated. We're half way there.
November 17, 20213 yr On 11/15/2021 at 5:03 PM, bitbased said: Giving him some leeway now but this game seems somewhat status quo. Whenever we face lower end QBs we shut them down pretty hard but against the more upper tier QBs we get trounced. During the Denver game, the defense played much tighter than in the past. Don't let the beginning of the year be your map for future games.
November 17, 20213 yr Yes. Gannon is improving on the job. Looking forward to the remainder of the schedule.
November 17, 20213 yr 4 hours ago, dawkins4prez said: I'd say Siri, Hurts and Gannon all have the entire 17 game season to be evaluated. We're half way there. I feel like Sirianni and Hurts are pretty much locks to be here in 2022. Gannon I’m not so sure, but I still feel like he could use more weapons.
November 17, 20213 yr 13 hours ago, Bacarty2 said: Again, im not taking about numbers, or stats. ROSTER!!! If anything, what your doing is backing up my point Tell me a playoff team that any of these Linebackers would go START for (none) Tell me a playoff team Barnett would go start for(none) Our Safeties... NOPE Fletcher, Slay, Maybe hargrave, maybe Josh Sweat, maybe Steve Nelson You already said it yourself, this defensive roster is so bad you expect 3-4 rookies to take starters jobs next year along with a "couple free agents" How could of a roster can you have if you expect, and want 75-85% turn over in 1 year I call it an aging defense, not historically bad. Only position you could point to and say it may be historically bad is linebacker, but there has been some decent play there. If you wanted to say that our depth is "historically bad", you would get far less arguments because beyond BG and sweat (out of position ATM due to Barnett being out there), there isn't much going on at DE. DT has a good depth to it, but lbs and dbs are legit starters or bust and could easily get 2/3 of the first round picks this year without a complaint. Aging defenses get new faces sir. NotForLong has finally caught up to us
November 17, 20213 yr No. Gannon has not adjusted fast enough once teams figured him out. Starting to adjust now but he still gave up 30+ in a couple of games without the other team breaking a sweat.
November 17, 20213 yr 8 hours ago, Shalodeep said: I call it an aging defense, not historically bad. Only position you could point to and say it may be historically bad is linebacker, but there has been some decent play there. If you wanted to say that our depth is "historically bad", you would get far less arguments because beyond BG and sweat (out of position ATM due to Barnett being out there), there isn't much going on at DE. DT has a good depth to it, but lbs and dbs are legit starters or bust and could easily get 2/3 of the first round picks this year without a complaint. Aging defenses get new faces sir. NotForLong has finally caught up to us This defense isn’t even historically bad. They’re basically middle of the pack and there also one of the only defenses this year to hold an opponent to 6 points or less in multiple games. They have given up some historical completion percentages against them, but this defense isn’t nearly as bad as we all want to think it is.
November 21, 20213 yr What I see up to this point is Gannon wants the defense to sit in zone coverage and limit big plays. They’ve been mostly successful at that. He wants to force the offense to make 10-12 play drives in hopes they will make a mistake, get a turnover or get to 3rd and long that they can’t convert. It’s not a shutdown scheme. So far against bottom half QBs/offenses the defense has looked good. Top half QBs are beating us, because we don’t have the playmakers to force them into a mistake and they convert the 8, 10, or 12 play drives. BG being out also hurts the pass rush even though he doesn’t always put up big sack numbers. My hope is, Hurts continues to show improvement, and instead of going after a QB we draft DE, LB, Safety and IOL with the first 4 picks, in no particular order. Hopefully netting some playmakers on defense.
November 21, 20213 yr 7 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: What I see up to this point is Gannon wants the defense to sit in zone coverage and limit big plays. They’ve been mostly successful at that. He wants to force the offense to make 10-12 play drives in hopes they will make a mistake, get a turnover or get to 3rd and long that they can’t convert. It’s not a shutdown scheme. So far against bottom half QBs/offenses the defense has looked good. Top half QBs are beating us, because we don’t have the playmakers to force them into a mistake and they convert the 8, 10, or 12 play drives. BG being out also hurts the pass rush even though he doesn’t always put up big sack numbers. My hope is, Hurts continues to show improvement, and instead of going after a QB we draft DE, LB, Safety and IOL with the first 4 picks, in no particular order. Hopefully netting some playmakers on defense. A good QB will rip a zone scheme apart every time especially if your front 4 isn't getting there and your linebackers don't have range
November 21, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: A good QB will rip a zone scheme apart every time especially if your front 4 isn't getting there and your linebackers don't have range Yep, Davion Taylor is showing improvement. TJ Edwards is a good run game lb, but doesn’t have the athleticism to drop back and get a pick or ball deflection.
November 21, 20213 yr 3 hours ago, MidMoFo said: Yep, Davion Taylor is showing improvement. TJ Edwards is a good run game lb, but doesn’t have the athleticism to drop back and get a pick or ball deflection. This aged poorly… Well done TJ!!!
November 21, 20213 yr 30 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: This aged poorly… Well done TJ!!! I can't watch the game right now but looked up the score and stats and remembered you saying that from earlier lol
November 22, 20213 yr I say yes because if you dont he wont be able to sleep at night which will affect his coaching performance.
November 22, 20213 yr i loved the fact that we were aggressive. the entire team fed off that. but once we built that big lead, he backed off, and yes, even Siemian went to work. it’s quite obvious to me that this group is at it’s worst playing that style of defense. he needs to understand this.
November 22, 20213 yr Author 4 hours ago, NCTANK said: i loved the fact that we were aggressive. the entire team fed off that. but once we built that big lead, he backed off, and yes, even Siemian went to work. it’s quite obvious to me that this group is at it’s worst playing that style of defense. he needs to understand this. THIS ^
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