1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I hear you, but this defense actually has been good against average to below average quarterbacks this year, and are there any quarterbacks (except Dak) who are coming up the rest of the season that really concern you? 

Not really, but our D still makes below avg QBs look better and makes the game harder than it should be. 

3 hours ago, Portyansky said:

Not really, but our D still makes below avg QBs look better and makes the game harder than it should be. 

Which below average guy have they made look better? 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Which below average guy have they made look better? 

I guess that depends on what you think of guys like Carr, Prescott and Herbert.... They aren't below average in my opinion. 

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I guess that depends on what you think of guys like Carr, Prescott and Herbert.... They aren't below average in my opinion. 

Carr is in the top 5 in passing yards right now. Dak probably up there too if he didn’t get injured. Everyone is saying Herbert is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That’s why I’m saying none of the guys they’re going up against in the future are that good except Dak and he probably won’t even play in that game. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Which below average guy have they made look better? 

I would probably classify Garoppolo as average to possibly below average ... he completed >73% of his passes against us.  Even Goff completed 74% (not that it led to much).  

9 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I would probably classify Garoppolo as average to possibly below average ... he completed >73% of his passes against us.  Even Goff completed 74% (not that it led to much).  

Jimmy G still had less than 200 yards passing and only had one TD. I wouldn’t exactly say he lit us up. Now Mahomes throwing for nearly 280 and 5tds lit our defense up. Also Herbert throwing for 356 just doesn’t seem on the same level as what Jimmy G did to me. 

The excitement of making the playoffs would be fun.  Then that excitement would be worn off and gone after the first round exit.  Then we are left with worse draft position, which will lead to Roseman feeling like he has to trade up to "get his guy" and blow at least one of our 3 first rounders in order to do so.  

Best case scenario is the team continues to compete, gets a few more strategically placed wins...Jets and splits with Wash/NY....finish 7-10...which will hopefully be good enough for a top 15 spot. Miami is playing better ball as of late, but hopefully they log 3-4 more losses to finish 6-11.  Indy will prob finish around 9-8 or 8-9.  This will give us 3 picks in the 10-18 range, maybe.  

7 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

The excitement of making the playoffs would be fun.  Then that excitement would be worn off and gone after the first round exit.  Then we are left with worse draft position, which will lead to Roseman feeling like he has to trade up to "get his guy" and blow at least one of our 3 first rounders in order to do so.  

Best case scenario is the team continues to compete, gets a few more strategically placed wins...Jets and splits with Wash/NY....finish 7-10...which will hopefully be good enough for a top 15 spot. Miami is playing better ball as of late, but hopefully they log 3-4 more losses to finish 6-11.  Indy will prob finish around 9-8 or 8-9.  This will give us 3 picks in the 10-18 range, maybe.  

Kind of disagree with you on this. When the Eagles made the playoffs in McNabb’s second season no one felt bad about it. No one felt bad about it when Chip Kelly went to the playoffs in his first season either. If anything this team making the playoffs in Sirianni’s first season will feel like something to build on rather than something to feel angry about. This was a 4 win football team in 2020 so what real expectations did you actually have for 2021? If this team makes the playoffs more people will be excited than angry about it. The fact they basically have 3 first round picks is all the more reason not to be worrying about draft positions. Root for the Colts and Dolphins to lose. Root for the Eagles to win. Besides it doesn’t matter where Howie is selecting he’s going to make moves and do things his way. That’s why even after the Eagles basically tanked the final game of the season last year he still traded down. 

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

I would probably classify Garoppolo as average to possibly below average ... he completed >73% of his passes against us.  Even Goff completed 74% (not that it led to much).  

Completion percentage numbers can be deceiving though, remember when Sammy sleeves set the record for the best completion percentage for the Vikings? Dude did nothing but throw 3 ft in front of him all year. Derek Carr and Dak were  really the only ones that had a crazy completion percentage that showed up on the score board

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Completion percentage numbers can be deceiving though, remember when Sammy sleeves set the record for the best completion percentage for the Vikings? Dude did nothing but throw 3 ft in front of him all year. Derek Carr and Dak were  really the only ones that had a crazy completion percentage that showed up on the score board

True ... good point.  

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Kind of disagree with you on this. When the Eagles made the playoffs in McNabb’s second season no one felt bad about it. No one felt bad about it when Chip Kelly went to the playoffs in his first season either. If anything this team making the playoffs in Sirianni’s first season will feel like something to build on rather than something to feel angry about. This was a 4 win football team in 2020 so what real expectations did you actually have for 2021? If this team makes the playoffs more people will be excited than angry about it. The fact they basically have 3 first round picks is all the more reason not to be worrying about draft positions. Root for the Colts and Dolphins to lose. Root for the Eagles to win. Besides it doesn’t matter where Howie is selecting he’s going to make moves and do things his way. That’s why even after the Eagles basically tanked the final game of the season last year he still traded down. 

Certainly wouldn't be "angry" about them making the playoffs.  The difference between the teams with McNabb and Chip is that they already had good pieces in place.  McNabb's team you're referencing was a strong up and coming team with many good pieces in place, particularly on D.  Chip inherited a decent team with many good offensive pieces in place already (and a few on D).  

This team feels like it has far more holes to fill before they can truly become competitive for a title.  I'm not a believer in the whole making the playoffs is something the team can "build on" for the next year.  Every year in the NFL is so different, whether or not a team made the playoffs the previous year has no bearing on anything, IMO.  What matters is having a young, up and coming team that is "hungry" and has an adequate talent level.  This team has a couple pieces to build on - Smith, Goedert...mayyyybbbeeee Hurts, and a good OL that at least has a couple good young players (Mailata/Dickerson/Driscoll).  Pieces on defense? Josh Sweat maybe? Hargrave (who has recently disappeared)? Milton Williams hopefully?  There is really nobody on D that I'm excited about for the future as a "stud" or high level player.  Slay is playing well, but he's not a young up and comer.  Cox is washed. LBs are "meh" (if you think they're actually good, it's because they've improved from totally suckass to mediocre so it seems like "wow, look at Edwards and Taylor!!").  0 safeties.  BG will be older and coming off serious injury.  

This team still needs a lot of youth infused talent that can only really come from the draft.  Draft capital is paramount for this team.  

24 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Certainly wouldn't be "angry" about them making the playoffs.  The difference between the teams with McNabb and Chip is that they already had good pieces in place.  McNabb's team you're referencing was a strong up and coming team with many good pieces in place, particularly on D.  Chip inherited a decent team with many good offensive pieces in place already (and a few on D).  

This team feels like it has far more holes to fill before they can truly become competitive for a title.  I'm not a believer in the whole making the playoffs is something the team can "build on" for the next year.  Every year in the NFL is so different, whether or not a team made the playoffs the previous year has no bearing on anything, IMO.  What matters is having a young, up and coming team that is "hungry" and has an adequate talent level.  This team has a couple pieces to build on - Smith, Goedert...mayyyybbbeeee Hurts, and a good OL that at least has a couple good young players (Mailata/Dickerson/Driscoll).  Pieces on defense? Josh Sweat maybe? Hargrave (who has recently disappeared)? Milton Williams hopefully?  There is really nobody on D that I'm excited about for the future as a "stud" or high level player.  Slay is playing well, but he's not a young up and comer.  Cox is washed. LBs are "meh" (if you think they're actually good, it's because they've improved from totally suckass to mediocre so it seems like "wow, look at Edwards and Taylor!!").  0 safeties.  BG will be older and coming off serious injury.  

This team still needs a lot of youth infused talent that can only really come from the draft.  Draft capital is paramount for this team.  

I think you’re hindsight remembering things bud. The 97 Eagles won 6 games. The 98 team won 3 games, and the 99 team won 5 games. I don’t see how anyone could  see that team was poised to go on the run that it did. The team Chip inherited was 8-8 in 2011, and 4-12 in 2012 with no real answers. Vick was injury prone, and Foles wasn’t special so they looked lost at quarterback and were still trying to overcome the Dream Team moniker they anointed themselves with on a team that looked lost. It should be noted in the that 8 win season they lost their first 8 games. Heck even the team Doug had went 7-9 in back to back seasons before they won the Bowl. No one saw that coming. What can always change things around is draftpicks and a key free agent or two and after this season they will have the ability to add both. This is a 4 win football team so making the playoffs would be gravy on top. Considering they have picks, and cap space they have the ability to make moves for the 2022 season. The cupboards aren’t bare here. The Eagles also have young players like Smith, Dickerson, Gainwell, and Williams all contributing year one. That’s a lot of Howie picks from the same class actually contributing to this team. I guess I’m more encouraged than most. If this team makes the playoffs I view that as a win. 

18 hours ago, time2rock said:

The fact that a conversation is even remotely possible about the Eagles' chances at making the playoffs is evidence that this team is heading in the right direction after the flustercluck we trotted out there last year.  

No. It just means there's an extra playoff team. There's going to be mediocre teams in the hunt every year now. 

55 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I think you’re hindsight remembering things bud. The 97 Eagles won 6 games. The 98 team won 3 games, and the 99 team won 5 games. I don’t see how anyone could  see that team was poised to go on the run that it did. The team Chip inherited was 8-8 in 2011, and 4-12 in 2012 with no real answers. Vick was injury prone, and Foles wasn’t special so they looked lost at quarterback and were still trying to overcome the Dream Team moniker they anointed themselves with on a team that looked lost. It should be noted in the that 8 win season they lost their first 8 games. Heck even the team Doug had went 7-9 in back to back seasons before they won the Bowl. No one saw that coming. What can always change things around is draftpicks and a key free agent or two and after this season they will have the ability to add both. This is a 4 win football team so making the playoffs would be gravy on top. Considering they have picks, and cap space they have the ability to make moves for the 2022 season. The cupboards aren’t bare here. The Eagles also have young players like Smith, Dickerson, Gainwell, and Williams all contributing year one. That’s a lot of Howie picks from the same class actually contributing to this team. I guess I’m more encouraged than most. If this team makes the playoffs I view that as a win. 

You mentioned McNabb's 2nd season, not the 97 and '98 teams, etc.  Andy Reid inherited a team (in 1999) that had Duce Staley, Tra Thomas, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Hollis Thomas, William Thomas and had drafted McNabb along with 2 decent offensive linemen.  At the least, they already had an excellent defensive core.  That team went 5-11 but had excitement for the future with McNabb.  The fact they still went 5-11 enabled them to draft Corey Simon the next year to add to the D.  

Chip inherited a team that already had McCoy, Maclin, Jackson, Peters, Evan Mathis, Kelce, Herremans and Celek on offense...plus Vick.  That was a pretty damn good core.  

Who is our core right now on either side of the ball?  We *might* have a solid core of Hurts, Sanders, Smith, Goedert, Mailata, and Dickerson...the jury is still out on Hurts of course.  The defense is empty.  Talent is needed...and a lot of it.  

A trip to the playoffs would be fun.  But...now this is just me....when April rolls around and we're picking at slot 20-22 instead of top 15, that first round exit from the playoffs would not be worth missing out on a blue chip player.  Howie's drafts where we pick top 15 are far better than bottom 15.  

I do agree that we should be able to add a good piece or 2 in free agency if we get the opportunity.  Followed by a solid draft, we could be good contenders next year.  But the difference between Devonta Smith and Jalen Reagor is that was Howie picking at slot 10 vs Howie picking at slot 21.  Hence why I am in favor of higher draft positioning over a one-and-done playoff.

2 hours ago, 700Level4Life said:

No. It just means there's an extra playoff team. There's going to be mediocre teams in the hunt every year now. 

Well, being "mediocre" is a step up from what we were last year, so .... 

5 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

The excitement of making the playoffs would be fun.  Then that excitement would be worn off and gone after the first round exit.  Then we are left with worse draft position, which will lead to Roseman feeling like he has to trade up to "get his guy" and blow at least one of our 3 first rounders in order to do so.  

Best case scenario is the team continues to compete, gets a few more strategically placed wins...Jets and splits with Wash/NY....finish 7-10...which will hopefully be good enough for a top 15 spot. Miami is playing better ball as of late, but hopefully they log 3-4 more losses to finish 6-11.  Indy will prob finish around 9-8 or 8-9.  This will give us 3 picks in the 10-18 range, maybe.  

 

You haven't noticed that the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks (probably)?
 

2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

You mentioned McNabb's 2nd season, not the 97 and '98 teams, etc.  Andy Reid inherited a team (in 1999) that had Duce Staley, Tra Thomas, Brian Dawkins, Jeremiah Trotter, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, Hollis Thomas, William Thomas and had drafted McNabb along with 2 decent offensive linemen.  At the least, they already had an excellent defensive core.  That team went 5-11 but had excitement for the future with McNabb.  The fact they still went 5-11 enabled them to draft Corey Simon the next year to add to the D.  

Chip inherited a team that already had McCoy, Maclin, Jackson, Peters, Evan Mathis, Kelce, Herremans and Celek on offense...plus Vick.  That was a pretty damn good core.  

Who is our core right now on either side of the ball?  We *might* have a solid core of Hurts, Sanders, Smith, Goedert, Mailata, and Dickerson...the jury is still out on Hurts of course.  The defense is empty.  Talent is needed...and a lot of it.  

A trip to the playoffs would be fun.  But...now this is just me....when April rolls around and we're picking at slot 20-22 instead of top 15, that first round exit from the playoffs would not be worth missing out on a blue chip player.  Howie's drafts where we pick top 15 are far better than bottom 15.  

I do agree that we should be able to add a good piece or 2 in free agency if we get the opportunity.  Followed by a solid draft, we could be good contenders next year.  But the difference between Devonta Smith and Jalen Reagor is that was Howie picking at slot 10 vs Howie picking at slot 21.  Hence why I am in favor of higher draft positioning over a one-and-done playoff.

I’d still rather make the playoffs and root for the Dolphins and the Colts to lose. I’d say Hargrave is a solid piece in the middle. Avante Maddox is a solid football player, and Slay can still play. Offensively this team has more offensive weapons than Reid’s 99 team. That Chip Kelly team went into that season with major questions, because all of those weapons you mentioned got hurt the year prior. Right now the Eagles best pick isn’t their own. It’s the Dolphins pick. Considering some of the games coming up the Eagles should win at least three of them without really even trying. They aren’t going to lose enough games to be a top 5 pick from their pick. Might as well win as many games as possible, use those picks built up from the trades and the cap relief and build on a playoff team. I’ll tell you this much it’s a lot easier to bring talent onto a playoff team than one that languishing we’ll behind in the division. 

6 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

The excitement of making the playoffs would be fun.  Then that excitement would be worn off and gone after the first round exit.  Then we are left with worse draft position, which will lead to Roseman feeling like he has to trade up to "get his guy" and blow at least one of our 3 first rounders in order to do so.  

Best case scenario is the team continues to compete, gets a few more strategically placed wins...Jets and splits with Wash/NY....finish 7-10...which will hopefully be good enough for a top 15 spot. Miami is playing better ball as of late, but hopefully they log 3-4 more losses to finish 6-11.  Indy will prob finish around 9-8 or 8-9.  This will give us 3 picks in the 10-18 range, maybe.  

 

38 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

 

You haven't noticed that the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks (probably)?
 

He mentioned having 3 first round picks in the first part of his post ...

 

There’s a potential chance that Joe Flacco could be the starting quarterback for the Jets when they play the Eagles. 

On 11/16/2021 at 3:22 PM, Mike030270 said:

Making the playoffs only to get knocked out in the first game isn't good IMO

it's mediocre to good.  Teams 9-14.  upper 2nd Q.  More good than medicore.  One of the top 7 in the conference, not the top 4.

5 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

it's mediocre to good.  Teams 9-14.  upper 2nd Q.  More good than medicore.  One of the top 7 in the conference, not the top 4.

This team going from last in the division to the playoffs is great. Only haters and whiners wouldn’t be happy about it. People openly wanting Hurts and Sirianni to fail wouldn’t be happy about it. People wanting Howie to fired want this thing to implode, but they’re wasting their time. Howie isn’t getting fired if the Eagles have a bad season. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

This team going from last in the division to the playoffs is great. Only haters and whiners wouldn’t be happy about it. People openly wanting Hurts and Sirianni to fail wouldn’t be happy about it. People wanting Howie to fired want this thing to implode, but they’re wasting their time. Howie isn’t getting fired if the Eagles have a bad season. 

As much as I want Howie to be fired a) I don't want the team to implode for that he's fired and b) he's not going to be fired because he's managed to bring in 3 first round draft picks in 2022. There's no way Lurie is going to fire him when he's got the opportunity to add 3 first round players when he's built that haul. As much as he should be.

3 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

As much as I want Howie to be fired a) I don't want the team to implode for that he's fired and b) he's not going to be fired because he's managed to bring in 3 first round draft picks in 2022. There's no way Lurie is going to fire him when he's got the opportunity to add 3 first round players when he's built that haul. As much as he should be.

I don’t believe Howie’s earned the right to keep his job this long, but I see no reason to dumb him now either. It’s just not happening so root for him to nail these picks. 

I really wanted the highest picks possible in the upcoming draft, but that doesn't outweigh making the playoffs and the momentum attached to that.  As long as Sirianni sticks to what has worked and the team limits mistakes, this team has a realistic chance.  The schedule is set up to make a run and we are better with Brooks and Sanders than without.  Interesting development, for sure.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This team going from last in the division to the playoffs is great. Only haters and whiners wouldn’t be happy about it. People openly wanting Hurts and Sirianni to fail wouldn’t be happy about it. People wanting Howie to fired want this thing to implode, but they’re wasting their time. Howie isn’t getting fired if the Eagles have a bad season. 

I have wanted Howie fired for years now, but if the team is gaining momentum and we're pointing in the right direction (which it seems we are), isn't that the main objective (other than winning a championship)?  I see no reason to wish for them to flop just to create a chance to can him (TBH I think the odds are slim that even if we flopped he'd be fired).  So best to hope the decisions they made with the Sirianni hire and whatever we do with those three 1st rd picks are the right ones to allow this team to take a giant step forward and become legitimate contenders again.