How many rookies actually make the team?

[Road to Victory]

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

[wtfcares]

18 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

Alshon is not going to be healthy. He’s either PUP or IR. Goodwin is not a lock to make the team at all. Given his age and injury history, the team could decide they’d rather keep both Hightower and Watkins to develop over him. That puts all rookie WRs in the 53. 
 

O-Line we lost both Peters and Vaitai. Both the ones we drafted have solid potential to be at least quality backups. Plenty of analysts calling them both steals for where we got them. They’re rookies they need time to develop. You probably also didn’t think much of big V when he was drafted either and he won us a Super Bowl. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

I am not sure any of the UDFA's do although perhaps the physical RB might so that's pretty easy.

In terms of the draft... Well Hurts and Reagor are locks and I think Wallace will make it too given he's a talented young player at a position of need. I think Driscoll will make it too because we need depth along the OL and I think one of the two LBs make it. Wanogho feels like a mystery IR candidate based on the injury concerns. That leaves the 2 later round WRs we drafted. I think one of them makes it, I doubt very much both make it. If neither make it then Howie is going to come under real pressure for another off season of poor drafting at the WR position.

[EagleJoe8]

This team needs a youth movement. I would be surprised if all 10 make the team, and I even expect a couple to make the PS, but at least 7 of the picks making the roster wouldn’t shock me. 

[birdman#12]

4 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

Why does this need to be explained to you?  Do you have ANY understanding of how rosters are built and improved year after year?  Don't you realize that drafts picks are a natural way to bring in new talent and COMPETE for a roster spot?  Do you realize that players being drafted are all at different stages of development?

It's why they have OTAs, training camp, preseason games and practice squads.  To determine who makes the team, who is worth keeping on practice squad to develop and getting the team ready for the regular season. 

Draft charts, rankings, highlight films, combine results and all the bullsh-- go out the window once these guys hit the field.....then coaches get to observe and evaluate them first hand in real time.

YOU have no idea who has a chance and who doesn't. Stop looking at draft positions and media opinions.  Geez, try to learn how this stuff is done.

 

[Infam]

5 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

Well make the team, as in on the roster??

I wonder who won't be there and contribute.. Maybe Watkins, Bradley and Toohill and even with them I wouldn't bet on it.

And we did trade for Slay, too.

Sky is not falling.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

8 minutes ago, Infam said:

I wonder who won't be there and contribute.. Maybe Watkins, Bradley and Toohill and even with them I wouldn't bet on it.

My guess? Watkins is an outsider right now but I really like him. 

Apparently Bradley is a coaches dream to coach so they'll probably like him.

Toohill an IR stash candidate? Certainly a PS candidate. 

[Ray75]

Although I like the draft haul, I do have some problems with it. Basically too many projections but not a lot of sure things. Yes, that indeed can be said about every haul but this one in particular.

Howie threw 4 new speed receivers at the wall and hopes Moorehead makes a few stick.

I love Reagor and he’s exactly the type of receiver this offense lacked but Jefferson at 21 or giving up our 2nd to Atlanta for Lamp would have been the safer choice IMO. However...I do wonder if the Eagles would have even prefered Lamp over Reagor. 

My fear is that they were so obsessed with adding speed that they forgot to draft good football players.

 

[Infam]

7 minutes ago, Ray75 said:

Although I like the draft haul, I do have some problems with it. Basically too many projections but not a lot of sure things. Yes, that indeed can be said about every haul but this one in particular.

Howie threw 4 new speed receivers at the wall and hopes Moorehead makes a few stick.

I love Reagor and he’s exactly the type of receiver this offense lacked but Jefferson at 21 or giving up our 2nd to Atlanta for Lamp would have been the safer choice IMO. However...I do wonder if the Eagles would have even prefered Lamp over Reagor. 

My fear is that they were so obsessed with adding speed that they forgot to draft good football players.

Reagor, Hurts and Wallace for sure are good football players. Now Taylor is a gamble, but have you seen that guy?? I like that gamble with a third round comp pick.

And after that.. we'll see. But I prefer gambling on super high upside over the supposedly "safe" guys on day three for sure!

[UK_EaglesFan89]

6 minutes ago, Infam said:

Reagor, Hurts and Wallace for sure are good football players. Now Taylor is a gamble, but have you seen that guy?? I like that gamble with a third round comp pick.

Agreed. I like his athleticism and I think he's relative inexperience due to not playing high school football means there's room for him to improve and grow. 

[Ray75]

11 minutes ago, Infam said:

Reagor, Hurts and Wallace for sure are good football players. Now Taylor is a gamble, but have you seen that guy?? I like that gamble with a third round comp pick.

And after that.. we'll see. But I prefer gambling on super high upside over the supposedly "safe" guys on day three for sure!

They should have mixed it up more IMO.

Taylor is indeed a super athlete but incredibly raw. He basically has to learn the position from scratch.

Would definitely have prefered Logan Wilson over him in the second but we took Hurts there instead. Ohhh well...

[time2rock]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to even make an educated guess.  

[nipples]

I think Alshon is put on IR and won’t play this year. Or they just bite the bullet and release him. They have the cap space to absorb that hit. 
 

so that means three WR spots are up for grabs, with Ward, Hightower, Watkins and Goodwin battling for them. Personally I don’t think Goodwin will make it. He gets injured too much. Even if he’s healthy and makes the team, chances are he gets hurt during the season. They gave up next to nothing to bring him in anyway. 
 

Based on the timing of the trade, I think when they did it they didn’t think they would be able to get Watkins where they did. Since he was there, they took him because he was at the top of their value board at that spot in the draft. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

This is one of the dumber things I've seen on these boards

I think 6-7 are locks, but its more likely 8 would make team.  I could see them keeping Hightower or Watkins and 7th round picks aren't guaranteed anything especially at the LB position where they only keep 2 on field most of time anyway

THERE IS NO WAY THEY ARE CUTTING OVER HALF OF THEIR DRAFT CLASS!!!

[Saltpeter]

What certifiable studs do you normally see drafted after the 4th round? Especially before training camp...

[thedanone82]

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

What certifiable studs do you normally see drafted after the 4th round? Especially before training camp...

Basically anybody that got drafted by anyone NOT named Howie

[allphilly]

27 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

What certifiable studs do you normally see drafted after the 4th round? Especially before training camp...

And most make the team their rookie year regardless. OP is out of their mind.

[20dawk4life]

Locks: Reagor, Hurts, Taylor, Wallace

Likely: Bradley, Driscoll, Prince, Watkins or Hightower not both ( could be both but not likely), 

Not: Toohill

So I can see 8 maybe 9 making the team easily. 

We need LBs so Bradly most likely makes it for depth and ST.

We are thin at OL, Herbig and Pryor are our only legit backups. 

WR we age two injury prone WRs, Reagor, I'd think Ward and a guessing game. Assuming Alshon isn't ready to go and is on IR that leaves Desean, Reagor, Ward, and some combo of JJAW, Hightower, Watkins, Goodwin, and scrubs from last year. With the amount of injuries last year look for them to hold onto more WRs and go thinner elsewhere. Could easily go two TEs like before. 

[nipples]

I’m curious, why does everyone seem to think it is unlikely both Hightower and Watkins make it? Going strictly from a numbers standpoint, you have four that are almost definitely on the team: Jackson, Alshon, Reagor and JJAW... but Alshon won’t be ready to play week 1, and probably won’t be until so late in the season that he will likely be on IR IMO, which opens another spot.

SO that leaves 3 open spots between Ward, Hightower, Watkins and Goodwin... given Goodwin’s history with injuries, I think there’s a good chance he is the odd man out. So in my view, neither has to be that great to make the team, they just have to show more upside than an oft-injured Goodwin. 

[Road to Victory]

5 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Why does this need to be explained to you?  Do you have ANY understanding of how rosters are built and improved year after year?  Don't you realize that drafts picks are a natural way to bring in new talent and COMPETE for a roster spot?  Do you realize that players being drafted are all at different stages of development?

It's why they have OTAs, training camp, preseason games and practice squads.  To determine who makes the team, who is worth keeping on practice squad to develop and getting the team ready for the regular season. 

Draft charts, rankings, highlight films, combine results and all the bullsh-- go out the window once these guys hit the field.....then coaches get to observe and evaluate them first hand in real time.

YOU have no idea who has a chance and who doesn't. Stop looking at draft positions and media opinions.  Geez, try to learn how this stuff is done.

 

Maybe you can teach me something because you know everything....

I follow college football and the draft and don’t need the draft guys to help me form an opinion. I see a numbers crunch at WR. You have 6 guys if you include Alshon that are way ahead of the rookies to make the team. The other 5 are DJax, Ward, JJaw, Reagor & Goodwin. Could Goodwin be out, maybe but if he’s healthy he makes the team. 

[zenclaybourne]

4 hours ago, Ray75 said:

Although I like the draft haul, I do have some problems with it. Basically too many projections but not a lot of sure things. Yes, that indeed can be said about every haul but this one in particular.

Howie threw 4 new speed receivers at the wall and hopes Moorehead makes a few stick.

I love Reagor and he’s exactly the type of receiver this offense lacked but Jefferson at 21 or giving up our 2nd to Atlanta for Lamp would have been the safer choice IMO. However...I do wonder if the Eagles would have even prefered Lamp over Reagor. 

My fear is that they were so obsessed with adding speed that they forgot to draft good football players.

4 hours ago, time2rock said:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to even make an educated guess.  

This

37 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m curious, why does everyone seem to think it is unlikely both Hightower and Watkins make it? Going strictly from a numbers standpoint, you have four that are almost definitely on the team: Jackson, Alshon, Reagor and JJAW... but Alshon won’t be ready to play week 1, and probably won’t be until so late in the season that he will likely be on IR IMO, which opens another spot.

SO that leaves 3 open spots between Ward, Hightower, Watkins and Goodwin... given Goodwin’s history with injuries, I think there’s a good chance he is the odd man out. So in my view, neither has to be that great to make the team, they just have to show more upside than an oft-injured Goodwin. 

And also this

[Road to Victory]

5 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

This team needs a youth movement. I would be surprised if all 10 make the team, and I even expect a coupe to make the PS, but at least 7 of the picks making the roster wouldn’t shock me. 

Hope you’re right. 
 

Hey, I can see Bradley making the team since the LB’s are weak, maybe one of the rookie OLineman makes it, maybe a WR makes it because of injury. 

[Road to Victory]

10 hours ago, wtfcares said:

Alshon is not going to be healthy. He’s either PUP or IR. Goodwin is not a lock to make the team at all. Given his age and injury history, the team could decide they’d rather keep both Hightower and Watkins to develop over him. That puts all rookie WRs in the 53. 
 

O-Line we lost both Peters and Vaitai. Both the ones we drafted have solid potential to be at least quality backups. Plenty of analysts calling them both steals for where we got them. They’re rookies they need time to develop. You probably also didn’t think much of big V when he was drafted either and he won us a Super Bowl. 

OLine is tough. Obviously, the 5 starters are locks plus Pryor. Then they have Herbig, Opeta, Mailata so that’s 9 which is how many they usually keep. I think Driscoll is sort of a project. He needs to add strength and if they move him inside he needs experience. He would have to beat out either Opeta or Herbig which he could but would have an uphill battle because of his inexperience at the position. Wanogho would have to beat out Mailata which is possible but I think it’s more likely he ends up on IR with his knee injury.

[birdman#12]

1 hour ago, Road to Victory said:

Maybe you can teach me something because you know everything....

I follow college football and the draft and don’t need the draft guys to help me form an opinion. I see a numbers crunch at WR. You have 6 guys if you include Alshon that are way ahead of the rookies to make the team. The other 5 are DJax, Ward, JJaw, Reagor & Goodwin. Could Goodwin be out, maybe but if he’s healthy he makes the team. 

It probably seems like I know everything, because you act like you don't know anything

There is no numbers crunch, the roster stand at 90 players that will head to camp.......then cuts come after training camp and preseason evaluations down to 53 plus practice squad players.

The only guys who are guaranteed a roster spot at WR is Jackson and Reagor......after that, it's a coaching decision about the other 4-5 depending on how many they want to keep on the 53.

Am I going too fast?

[UK_EaglesFan89]

26 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

The only guys who are guaranteed a roster spot at WR is Jackson and Reagor......after that, it's a coaching decision about the other 4-5 depending on how many they want to keep on the 53.

What do you think they do with Jeffrey? Out of interest. PUP / IR? Or cut?