25 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What do you think they do with Jeffrey? Out of interest. PUP / IR? Or cut?

Yes

5 hours ago, nipples said:

I’m curious, why does everyone seem to think it is unlikely both Hightower and Watkins make it? Going strictly from a numbers standpoint, you have four that are almost definitely on the team: Jackson, Alshon, Reagor and JJAW... but Alshon won’t be ready to play week 1, and probably won’t be until so late in the season that he will likely be on IR IMO, which opens another spot.

SO that leaves 3 open spots between Ward, Hightower, Watkins and Goodwin... given Goodwin’s history with injuries, I think there’s a good chance he is the odd man out. So in my view, neither has to be that great to make the team, they just have to show more upside than an oft-injured Goodwin. 

They've put a few guys on the PS the last few year s that they drafted. I'm expecting them to try that again with a WR. 

9 hours ago, Infam said:

Reagor, Hurts and Wallace for sure are good football players. Now Taylor is a gamble, but have you seen that guy?? I like that gamble with a third round comp pick.

And after that.. we'll see. But I prefer gambling on super high upside over the supposedly "safe" guys on day three for sure!

Agree for the most part but I think Day 3 is a good time to gamble on high upside so I think Taylor was a bit of a reach on Day 2. Have no problem taking a guy like that on Day 3 though. 

All teams want to keep rookies for their low salaries and to validate their drafting decisions.  Howie is even more so that way.  I think most all will make the roster.  Maybe they cut the 7th round DE, but I think they keep him, and the 6th round WR, maybe the Temple LB, but probably not.  My prediction is 1-2 cut.  Everyone else will make the team regardless of how they perform

15 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Here’s why I think the draft was a disaster. How many of these rookies actually make the team? I’ll say the first four picks (Reagor, Hurts, Taylor and Wallace ) and then the rest of the group has a very slim chance. Can you imagine if only 4 rookies make the team with all those draft picks? What a horrible use of draft capital. Trade up, trade for players, future picks but do something with it. 
 

Try looking at the roster and it’s a real numbers crunch at some positions, especially WR and OLine. How do Hightower and Watkins make the team? If Alshon is healthy we have 6 WR’s ahead of those two. At OLine we have a bunch of so-so backups, not sure who makes it there. 

They all make it with the exception of maybe the 7th round DE and the 6th round WR.  Maybe the 5th round LB from Temple is cut too.  That's it.  The rest will make the roster, regardless of how they perform

11 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Why does this need to be explained to you?  Do you have ANY understanding of how rosters are built and improved year after year?  Don't you realize that drafts picks are a natural way to bring in new talent and COMPETE for a roster spot?  Do you realize that players being drafted are all at different stages of development?

It's why they have OTAs, training camp, preseason games and practice squads.  To determine who makes the team, who is worth keeping on practice squad to develop and getting the team ready for the regular season. 

Draft charts, rankings, highlight films, combine results and all the bullsh-- go out the window once these guys hit the field.....then coaches get to observe and evaluate them first hand in real time.

YOU have no idea who has a chance and who doesn't. Stop looking at draft positions and media opinions.  Geez, try to learn how this stuff is done.

 

Final roster decisions are not based on performance for rookies.  Their low salaries are needed as is their youth.  Most importantly there are huge political ramifications at play.  Howie is a sub par drafter.  That is a given.  For that reason alone he clings to draft picks.  The fact the Hollins was jogging aimlessly around the field for half a season when we had Ward on the PS is a great illustration.  Hollins looked like a guy they pulled out of the stands just before game time.  Most all the draft picks will make it regardless of how they perform.  Only 1-3 will get cut.  There is absolutely no way we will cut a 4th round pick.  Will never happen unless they have run  ins with the law.

5 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Maybe you can teach me something because you know everything....

I follow college football and the draft and don’t need the draft guys to help me form an opinion. I see a numbers crunch at WR. You have 6 guys if you include Alshon that are way ahead of the rookies to make the team. The other 5 are DJax, Ward, JJaw, Reagor & Goodwin. Could Goodwin be out, maybe but if he’s healthy he makes the team. 

Alshon will be placed on PUP and won't have to be on the final 53 or be exposed to waivers.  They will keep 6-7 other WRs.  

Locks: Reagor/Hurts/Taylor/Wallace/Driscoll

Probably on, but will have to compete and earn it: Hightower, Bradley

Roster or IR: Prince

Uphill battle, but has a shot: Watkins, Killins, Toohill

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Locks: Reagor/Hurts/Taylor/Wallace/Driscoll

What makes you think they are locks? I mean I think they all have a great chance and yeah no doubt Reagor and Hurts are locks. Taylor would have to be absolutely terrible not to make it as a third round pick. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Locks: Reagor/Hurts/Taylor/Wallace/Driscoll

Probably on, but will have to compete and earn it: Hightower, Bradley

Roster or IR: Prince

Uphill battle, but has a shot: Watkins, Killins, Toohill

 

No way they cut both Hightower & Watkins.  Howie wouldn't cut both WRs.  He'd have to face the wrath for missing on both.  He won't do it.

2 minutes ago, weko said:

No way they cut both Hightower & Watkins.  Howie wouldn't cut both WRs.  He'd have to face the wrath for missing on both.  He won't do it.

Agreed.  0% chance.  But that's why Hightower has to compete.  If Watkins looks great, he could steal Hightower's spot.

I'd very much prefer they keep both.  But I think they are still too risk averse to do that.  Keeping both requires cutting Ward or keeping 7 WRs, both of which would raise a few eyebrows.  

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed.  0% chance.  But that's why Hightower has to compete.  If Watkins looks great, he could steal Hightower's spot.

I'd very much prefer they keep both.  But I think they are still too risk averse to do that.  Keeping both requires cutting Ward or keeping 7 WRs, both of which would raise a few eyebrows.  

Yes that will be an interesting battle to watch.  Every once in a while a reporter asks the right question.  Specifically in football to a vet, "how long until you know that a rookie can play at this level?"  And the answer is always "immediately."  When pressed the player usually says within a week, but i've heard others say 2-3 practices.  Coaches know too that quickly.  Not that they can't and won't improve over the course of their first seasons, but everyone there will know right away if they can make the transition to the next level. With Watkins it will be if he can get off the line cleanly.  If not he's probably one of the few cut and will be on the PS. It would be a shock to me if Howie cut Hightower.  Only if Watkins shows he belongs will that happen.

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

They've put a few guys on the PS the last few year s that they drafted. I'm expecting them to try that again with a WR. 

Ok, then who makes the roster? Right now I’ve got Alshon to IR, so we’re talking Jackson, Reagor and JJAW as definitely there. That leaves three spots... Ward makes it IMO, leaving two spots between the two rookies and Goodwin. If we are talking about WR 6, then I’d rather hang onto a rookie than to roll with Goodwin there. 

55 minutes ago, weko said:

They all make it with the exception of maybe the 7th round DE and the 6th round WR.  Maybe the 5th round LB from Temple is cut too.  That's it.  The rest will make the roster, regardless of how they perform

Driscoll is a huge project. He needs some strength and experience if they move him inside. I don’t think he’s a guarantee at all. I can’t see them cutting him but he might be placed on IR with some mysterious injury. 

10 hours ago, time2rock said:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to even make an educated guess.  

Definitely but isn’t that what TATE’s for, 

48 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What makes you think they are locks? I mean I think they all have a great chance and yeah no doubt Reagor and Hurts are locks. Taylor would have to be absolutely terrible not to make it as a third round pick. 

Howie has been under fire for his drafting.  Cutting a 4th round draft pick as a rookie reflects poorly on him.  They have very little OL depth as it is.  I see no scenario in which they'd cut Driscoll.  At safety, they don't have depth either.  They signed Will Parks, who is awful in coverage, to a one year deal.  And there is room for both Parks and Wallace as depth anyway.  For another unnamed, random safety to take a roster spot from Wallace...that's nearly impossible.

34 minutes ago, nipples said:

Ok, then who makes the roster? Right now I’ve got Alshon to IR, so we’re talking Jackson, Reagor and JJAW as definitely there. That leaves three spots... Ward makes it IMO, leaving two spots between the two rookies and Goodwin. If we are talking about WR 6, then I’d rather hang onto a rookie than to roll with Goodwin there. 

It's may 1st. We have no idea who will make the back end of the roster. 

😂😂 This is definitely a different take than I’ve seen so far. So there’s a slim chance that any player from day 3 makes the team.  Think of how ridiculous that sounds.  They have 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round players that make the roster almost every single year. They’re not slashing 6 players from this draft. 

I believe at least 7 rookies will be on the roster. The first four as you said; at least one of Hightower and Watkins; I wouldn't be surprised if Driscoll and Prince Tega both make it, but one will. 

That's a minimum of 6 that could be 8. We'll see how Bradley and Toohill perform in practice. And let's not forget about injuries. If Djax goes down again, there's no way they let go of one of the speedy WRs. 

3 hours ago, hputenis said:

😂😂 This is definitely a different take than I’ve seen so far. So there’s a slim chance that any player from day 3 makes the team.  Think of how ridiculous that sounds.  They have 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th round players that make the roster almost every single year. They’re not slashing 6 players from this draft. 

Really, only 16% of all 5th, 6th & 7th rounders make it to a 2nd year with the team that drafted them. I’m not saying only 4 will make it but the chances of the other guys are slim (I didn’t say no chance). I can see one of the OL, one WR or maybe Bradley making it especially taking injuries into account.  But I can also see them signing a veteran which decreases their chance of making the team. I can see them slashing a couple guys on IR and another few on the practice squad. 

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What do you think they do with Jeffrey? Out of interest. PUP / IR? Or cut?

I think they try to trade  him after June 1......apparently his dead money goes from $15 mil down to $5 and his cap savings go from 0 to $9 mil........if that's true howie will simply give him away for a 7th rounder.

However.....I doubt any team gives up anything for him.......he probably can't play until october and his injury history probably make a trade impossible.

If they keep him, he'll be on the PUP list until he's ready to play....

13 hours ago, weko said:

Final roster decisions are not based on performance for rookies.  Their low salaries are needed as is their youth.  Most importantly there are huge political ramifications at play.  Howie is a sub par drafter.  That is a given.  For that reason alone he clings to draft picks.  The fact the Hollins was jogging aimlessly around the field for half a season when we had Ward on the PS is a great illustration.  Hollins looked like a guy they pulled out of the stands just before game time.  Most all the draft picks will make it regardless of how they perform.  Only 1-3 will get cut.  There is absolutely no way we will cut a 4th round pick.  Will never happen unless they have run  ins with the law.

Performance definitely come into consideration.  But I agree, 1st to 3rd rounders make the team.....4th rounder do to unless they really sh-- the bed.  

I don't think they cling to draft picks because of political ramifications, I think they believe they can develop guys either on the roster or on the practice squad.  You want to give young guys every chance to develop.  Hollins showed promise until he got hurt and then never got back to what they thought he could be.  

And everybody is on the Ward train, but he may not even make the team this year. 

Definitely interested to see how this plays out. 

The only absolute locks are Reagor and Jackson.

I think most people know how I feel about Jeffery and I am firmly of the view that if they were going to cut him, they would have done it by now. In terms of established starting receivers, we have Jackson and that's it. And he is coming of an injury and turns 34 in December. The Eagles would be stupid in my opinion to cut Alshon loose. Whether he will be ready or not is another question, but he should be at some point and will either be on the roster or PUP.

JJAW was really disappointing last year, but a lot of people are giving up on him way too quickly. Plus he is our only receiver apart from Jeffery who really works in the X position. He most likely gets another shot.

I personally don't think Goodwin makes the team. A not particularly good speed receiver with chronic knee injuries? The 49ers aren't exactly loaded at WR and they basically gave him away. 

Ward I think makes it for now. He played well last year. He's limited though and could be vulnerable on the roster.

Hightower/Watkins? I think one of them makes it, possibly both if Jeffery is on PUP. When Jeffery is ready, I expect the weaker one to develop some sort of serious and mysterious eyebrow condition and be placed on IR. 

So I think it will start like this: Jackson, Reagor, JJAW, Ward, Hightower, Watkins/Jeffery (may start on PUP - but will make the team when he is off it).   

2 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

However.....I doubt any team gives up anything for him.......he probably can't play until october and his injury history probably make a trade impossible.

Yeah I can't imagine that any team is going to trade for him given age, contract and injury issues. 

15 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Agreed.  0% chance.  But that's why Hightower has to compete.  If Watkins looks great, he could steal Hightower's spot.

I'd very much prefer they keep both.  But I think they are still too risk averse to do that.  Keeping both requires cutting Ward or keeping 7 WRs, both of which would raise a few eyebrows.  

Both DJax and Goodwin have injury history.  Prudent move is to keep 7 WRs on roster.