7 minutes ago, Philthy Jawn said:

The JJAW pick was also on Lurie, not Howie.  

You are correct.  Passing on JJ is a fireable offense.  He played in the SEC (best conference), on LSU with JB and JC and CEH, beat Bama (semi-pro team), won the national championship and was very good (even if JC was maybe a bit better).  What else do you want the guy to do?  Reagor did none of those things.  Absolutely brain-dead decision.

41 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

And JJ is attached to Metcalf. Who cares who is worse they are both effing awful and that's the problem

oh Forgot about that ..

 

Still Metcalf is self destructing, look at his behavior on the field, he is a dumb a**, his career wont last long imo.. 

40 minutes ago, Jeep_man said:

oh Forgot about that ..

 

Still Metcalf is self destructing, look at his behavior on the field, he is a dumb a**, his career wont last long imo.. 

Now that you mention it, I don't recall hearing much about Metcalf this year lol. 

56 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Now that you mention it, I don't recall hearing much about Metcalf this year lol. 

Metcalf would be even more of a monster with a different QB/team. Wilson spends too much time scrambling and looking for Lockett down the field.

14 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Metcalf would be even more of a monster with a different QB/team. Wilson spends too much time scrambling and looking for Lockett down the field.

Metcalf and Wentz would have been the perfect combination in terms of producing big on a broken play.

11 hours ago, Devaster said:

Metcalf would be even more of a monster with a different QB/team. Wilson spends too much time scrambling and looking for Lockett down the field.

I'm not sure Metcalf would be a household name if it wasn't for Wilson. Metcalf is a limited route runner that excels at getting open deep. Wilson is probably the best QB in the NFL in ball placement on deep passes. It was a perfect marriage. 

On 11/24/2021 at 12:37 PM, Kz! said:

There are way bigger needs on this team than spending another high pick on a WR. We look to have a really good #1 WR in Smith and there's no reason Reagor or Watkins can't become a good #2. I'd rather go defense heavy in the early rounds. We've neglected, well, everything on the defensive side of the ball. We could literally use high picks on a pass rusher, corner, LB (doubtful with our philosophy, but still needed), Safety, or even a DT with Cox on the decline. 

This is where I am at. If a top WR talent is there in early rd 2, go ahead and trade up (thinking like Pickens or Williams). In the first, focus on positions of imminent need

7 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I'm not sure Metcalf would be a household name if it wasn't for Wilson. Metcalf is a limited route runner that excels at getting open deep. Wilson is probably the best QB in the NFL in ball placement on deep passes. It was a perfect marriage. 

Perhaps, but I don't think Metcalf is as limited and raw as he was coming out. And the passing game is very inconsistent in Seattle. Whether that is entirely on Wilson is up for debate as it could be Carroll as well. I personally think he would be shining even more with some different offenses and offensive minds.

On 12/12/2021 at 5:28 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

And JJ is attached to Metcalf. Who cares who is worse they are both effing awful and that's the problem

Don't forget, they also drafted Jordan Matthews when Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were on the board.

They've had a lot of failure in drafting WRs.  Devonta Smith is an outlier of a good WR pick because he was so high.  Makes it easier to not screw it up.

Here's a crazy one.  They could have drafted Stefon Diggs in the 5th round of 2015 draft but they traded both their 5th round picks in a package to move up 5 spots in the 2nd round...to draft Eric Rowe, who played 1 season and was traded to the Patriots.  The Dolphins ended up trading one of those 5th round picks to the Vikings, who drafted Diggs.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Don't forget, they also drafted Jordan Matthews when Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jarvis Landry were on the board.

They've had a lot of failure in drafting WRs.  Devonta Smith is an outlier of a good WR pick because he was so high.  Makes it easier to not screw it up.

Here's a crazy one.  They could have drafted Stefon Diggs in the 5th round of 2015 draft but they traded both their 5th round picks in a package to move up 5 spots in the 2nd round...to draft Eric Rowe, who played 1 season and was traded to the Patriots.  The Dolphins ended up trading one of those 5th round picks to the Vikings, who drafted Diggs.

Jordan Matthews isn't as bad as taking Marcus Smith before all of those! 

Come on now, even if they kept those 5th round picks they still would not have taken digs! 

I was reading an article about the Reagor draft and all the players besides Jefferson they passed on. So even if Jefferson went before Reagor, Reagor was still the wrong pick lol. 

8 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Jordan Matthews isn't as bad as taking Marcus Smith before all of those! 

Come on now, even if they kept those 5th round picks they still would not have taken digs! 

I was reading an article about the Reagor draft and all the players besides Jefferson they passed on. So even if Jefferson went before Reagor, Reagor was still the wrong pick lol. 

Just looking at WRs they didn't take, but yeah Marcus Smith was certainly bad.  

Not that they would have taken Diggs who knows, and in the 5th round the odds are lower.  Just a weird connection that they actually had the pick used to draft him and traded it to get Eric Rowe.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Just looking at WRs they didn't take, but yeah Marcus Smith was certainly bad.  

Not that they would have taken Diggs who knows, and in the 5th round the odds are lower.  Just a weird connection that they actually had the pick used to draft him and traded it to get Eric Rowe.

That is normal around here these days. I'm sure if you dig around some more there is all kinds of those situations. 

On 11/24/2021 at 11:20 AM, Infam said:

Maybe. Or maybe Lurie says: We got three firsts, I want another receiver if a good one is available.

Howie is 1 for 3 in picking WR’s recently in the higher rounds. Do you really trust him to get it right?

He didn’t just get the pick wrong, he totally busted it. I could live with Tee Higgins or Brandon Aiyuk over Jefferson. Sure, they’re not as good but at least they’re not busts like Reagor. Same with the year before, I’d be ok if we drafted Terry McLaurin over DK. Again, wrong player but way better than that bust JJaw. McLaurin and Higgins might not be Jefferson & DK but we wouldn’t need to think about WR for the next 10 years. 

2 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Howie is 1 for 3 in picking WR’s recently in the higher rounds. Do you really trust him to get it right?

He didn’t just get the pick wrong, he totally busted it. I could live with Tee Higgins or Brandon Aiyuk over Jefferson. Sure, they’re not as good but at least they’re not busts like Reagor. Same with the year before, I’d be ok if we drafted Terry McLaurin over DK. Again, wrong player but way better than that bust JJaw. McLaurin and Higgins might not be Jefferson & DK but we wouldn’t need to think about WR for the next 10 years. 

I was happy when they drafted Reagor, I thought he’d be good. He looked like he had the traits. It’s his mental game that is drawing him down.. and that’s really hard to evaluate.

So I don’t know. Maybe we should get a receiver day two or something..

4 hours ago, Infam said:

I was happy when they drafted Reagor, I thought he’d be good. He looked like he had the traits. It’s his mental game that is drawing him down.. and that’s really hard to evaluate.

My initial reaction was, "You've got to be kidding me!" I had been defending the Jefferson mock drafts for weeks on this board against those that argued you don't take a slot receiver with that high a pick and that he only projects to have success in the slot. I later warmed up to the Reagor pick. After the draft, this board wasn't lamenting that we didn't take Jefferson, but that we didn't "trade up" and get Lamb when he slipped. 

But I think you're right. We went through something very similar with Agholor. Doug had to sit him for a short period to help him get his head on right. People laughed at me for suggesting the Eagles used the "failed physical" as a way to allow him to deal with a mental issue he was experiencing. It sure seems a lot more plausible now. 

Drafting a WR has always been a failure here not just during Howies term.

In the past 40 years they have only hit on 2 WRs drafted high - Mike Quick and DeSean Jackson. That's it.

For some reason drafting WRs are the Eagles kryptonite.

12 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Drafting a WR has always been a failure here not just during Howies term.

In the past 40 years they have only hit on 2 WRs drafted high - Mike Quick and DeSean Jackson. That's it.

For some reason drafting WRs are the Eagles kryptonite.

Still pretty sure they got Smith right.

But most teams have these problems at one position or another.

I’d say we are bad at CB too, but good at drafting linemen.

5 minutes ago, Infam said:

Still pretty sure they got Smith right.

But most teams have these problems at one position or another.

I’d say we are bad at CB too, but good at drafting linemen.

Still too early for Smith. He does look good out there but who the F knows. The way this franchise is with WRs we could be looking to replace him in 2 years.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

My initial reaction was, "You've got to be kidding me!" I had been defending the Jefferson mock drafts for weeks on this board against those that argued you don't take a slot receiver with that high a pick and that he only projects to have success in the slot. I later warmed up to the Reagor pick. After the draft, this board wasn't lamenting that we didn't take Jefferson, but that we didn't "trade up" and get Lamb when he slipped. 

But I think you're right. We went through something very similar with Agholor. Doug had to sit him for a short period to help him get his head on right. People laughed at me for suggesting the Eagles used the "failed physical" as a way to allow him to deal with a mental issue he was experiencing. It sure seems a lot more plausible now. 

Trading up for Lamb was my first choice. I even said trade their 2nd to Atlanta to move up. I felt like my position was solidified after they drafted Hurts in the 2nd. I bought into the whole Jefferson can only play the slot stuff. Ironically, it’s Lamb who plays the slot all the time. Jefferson was obviously the right pick but I don’t think Lamb is that far behind. A lot of guys had Reagor in the 2nd round, behind Aiyuk and Higgins. 

6 hours ago, Infam said:

Still pretty sure they got Smith right.

But most teams have these problems at one position or another.

I’d say we are bad at CB too, but good at drafting linemen.

It is a lot easier to screw up skill position draft picks rather than a meat and potatoes offensive or defensive lineman draft pick. At least that is generally how I've seen drafts go. There is a reason there are safe picks in the 1st round. The other 1st rounders don't typically belong there but get hyped up due to position shortage/needs of teams. QB's especially.

47 minutes ago, Devaster said:

It is a lot easier to screw up skill position draft picks rather than a meat and potatoes offensive or defensive lineman draft pick. At least that is generally how I've seen drafts go. There is a reason there are safe picks in the 1st round. The other 1st rounders don't typically belong there but get hyped up due to position shortage/needs of teams. QB's especially.

Looking around the league and the massive problems when it comes to the lines of teams I have to disagree with that.

8 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Trading up for Lamb was my first choice. I even said trade their 2nd to Atlanta to move up. I felt like my position was solidified after they drafted Hurts in the 2nd. I bought into the whole Jefferson can only play the slot stuff. Ironically, it’s Lamb who plays the slot all the time. Jefferson was obviously the right pick but I don’t think Lamb is that far behind. A lot of guys had Reagor in the 2nd round, behind Aiyuk and Higgins. 

Keep in mind that the WR class that year was projected to be one of the best, deepest classes ever. Some teams draft BPA and some draft to fill needs. So mocks that predicted certain WRs to fall in the 2nd rd that year were talking about guys that likely would have been 1st rd projections in a weaker draft pool at the position. Now that we know more about that class, it's clear we made a mistake. Jefferson was the 5th WR drafted and the best by a large margin. I think the Eagles were really trying to find a Tyreek Hill clone and decided on Reagor. Up to this point, it's been disappointing. I don't feel Doug used him correctly. Now Sirianni has tried to find ways to get him the ball, but some of those designs were poor, or poorly executed. It's not about getting Reagor touches,  it's about getting him the ball in space.

Right now, I feel Reagor is really trying to force things and is his own worst enemy. A few plays that go his way could give him a big confidence boost and maybe get him on track. But every mental mistake he makes right now is really getting into his head. 

13 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Keep in mind that the WR class that year was projected to be one of the best, deepest classes ever. Some teams draft BPA and some draft to fill needs. So mocks that predicted certain WRs to fall in the 2nd rd that year were talking about guys that likely would have been 1st rd projections in a weaker draft pool at the position. Now that we know more about that class, it's clear we made a mistake.

This. It seemed like the thought process was any WR taken at that point in the draft can't miss. Even after Jefferson, the WRs that were picked were Aiyuk, Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman, Laviska Shenault, KJ Hamler (admittedly disappointing, he's out with injuries), Chase Claypool, Van Jefferson, Denzel Mims... So there was plenty of WR talent on the board, as we all thought there was.

So I didn't think the Eagles needed to trade up and spend future draft capital to pick a WR. @Road to Victory Sit back and wait for the guy. I was hopeful Lamb would fall to them, but he didn't.

My initial thought about the Reagor pick is it was a reach, but they wanted a certain guy to open up the offense. He was advertised as a speedy WR (he ran track) and punt returner. I thought he'd be used more as a weapon as opposed to a traditional WR. That's not how it has worked out. They haven't found ways to put the ball in his hands. He has shown flashes as a punt returner, but he's also made plenty of mistakes and can't return kickoffs. Reagor is supposed to have some world-class abilities but the Eagles haven't really taken advantage of them.

Smith is a really good WR, one of the most polished route runners I've seen straight out of college. Does it make up for all the misses? Think about it, if they picked Jefferson, they could have had Micah Parsons instead. (Or would Jefferson be a disappointment like every other WR they tried to develop?)  I am tired of the Eagles burning picks at WR: Let somebody on the roster develop or use Free Agency, but use those early draft picks elsewhere on the roster where they are getting depleted.

On 12/15/2021 at 11:04 AM, Road to Victory said:

Trading up for Lamb was my first choice. I even said trade their 2nd to Atlanta to move up. I felt like my position was solidified after they drafted Hurts in the 2nd. I bought into the whole Jefferson can only play the slot stuff. Ironically, it’s Lamb who plays the slot all the time. Jefferson was obviously the right pick but I don’t think Lamb is that far behind. A lot of guys had Reagor in the 2nd round, behind Aiyuk and Higgins. 

Same my order was Lamb, Jeudy, Jefferson, and the other guys in the 2nd. Took some self convincing to be okay with Reagor, but I got there by the start of the season. That didnt last long