I'm curious to hear what other people think about this...

1. Father goes to pick up his kids, as per court mandate, at 3:15PM from his ex and her boyfriend. 

2. Wife refuses to give the kids over and says she doesn't need to abide by court orders.

3. Father becomes mad, the boyfriend runs into his house (where one of the kids are) and grabs a gun.

4. An argument follows after the boyfriend emerges from the house with a rifle where the boyfriend tells the father to leave. He fires shots into the ground as he's next to the father and struggle over the gun happens.

5. The father pushes away the boyfriend who still has the rifle. The boyfriend then fatally shoots the dad.

 

There's video of the entire incident if you want to watch. I'm stuck on the fact that, while he's claiming self defense, he was in illegal possession of someone else's kids and was refusing to turn them over.

Stay salty bro 😎 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Stay salty bro 😎 

Gotta see what Kz has to say first, before you weigh in?

We’ll it is Texas, but should never have gone for the Gun.

The boyfriend should be charged with Murder. Interference with a Court Order in Texas is a criminal offense. So he was engaging in criminal conduct at the time. He was the initial aggressor. He pursued the victim out the door, with a gun and fired shots at the victim first. No doubt the killer will claim Self Defense. But IMO it's losing argument.

Oh, and what happened with the kids? Did the mother remain with the boyfriend after secretly fulfilling her darkest wishes?

I also wonder if violating a Court Order would qualify mom for a Felony Murder charge. 

 

Still reading about this but at cursory first glance, my first thought is that everyone is ridiculously calm after a man just got shot in the chest. 

I'm not sure I can see this as self defense. But I could see it resulting in a hung jury. 

I would think, though I'm not a lawyer, that if you're party to escalating a confrontation that you would forfeit self-defense. It's subjective but I felt like this Kyle dude (with the gun) baited Read.

Read never appeared to actually go for the gun. He did get physical though, pushed Kyle off the porch, at which time the dude pointed his gun and shot.

With no other evidence and without being educated on the specific rules of self defense in Texas, my gut says this is homicide. But finding 12 willing to rule it as such based on video might be challenging. 

It's different from the Rittenhouse case. In that case Rittenhouse was not the aggressor, Rosenbaum was. Rittenhouse retreated until he was cornered and Rosenbaum was actually trying to get the weapon from him. It was inarguably self defense.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/wife-of-chad-read-releases-video-of-deadly-shooting-ssj/

The victim was at least 5 feet away from the shooter when he turned and shot him in the chest. How can the shooter justify he was in fear of death or great bodily harm from an unarmed victim who was at least 5 feet away and not a threat at the time he was shot. 

Just now, jsdarkstar said:

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/wife-of-chad-read-releases-video-of-deadly-shooting-ssj/

 

Yeah there's two videos, each side took a video and both claim it proves murder or self defense.

Also these idiots need to stop taking vertical videos. I wouldn't go so far as to say that's the real crime here, but it's close. 

I guess we shall see if engaging in criminal conduct (interference with a Court Order over Custody rights) negates the right to Self Defense in Texas. As per the Court Order, the victim had the legal right to be there, to pick up his kids at the agreed upon time. The mother also was engaging in criminal activity by refusing to turn over the kids, as per the Court's Order and the shooter prevented him from picking up his kids by shooting him to death. That violated the Court Order as well.

 

16 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm not sure I can see this as self defense. But I could see it resulting in a hung jury. 

I would think, though I'm not a lawyer, that if you're party to escalating a confrontation that you would forfeit self-defense. It's subjective but I felt like this Kyle dude (with the gun) baited Read.

Read never appeared to actually go for the gun. He did get physical though, pushed Kyle off the porch, at which time the dude pointed his gun and shot.

With no other evidence and without being educated on the specific rules of self defense in Texas, my gut says this is homicide. But finding 12 willing to rule it as such based on video might be challenging. 

It's different from the Rittenhouse case. In that case Rittenhouse was not the aggressor, Rosenbaum was. Rittenhouse retreated until he was cornered and Rosenbaum was actually trying to get the weapon from him. It was inarguably self defense.

There's a difference between laying out a record in one paragraph in a football message board and developing a record over the course of a 3 week trial.  Ever play the game "whisper down the lane" at camp when you were a kid?  Unless there's a video of the incident, the chances are very high that the accounts of the incident are twisted in some way by the time they reach the EMB. 

3 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Stay salty bro 😎 

Huh?

I was asking what other people think about this?

Being a big proponent of self defense. This one should be in jail.

The man had no weapon and they could have "retreated to the castle" and called the authorities. If he breached the walls then shoot him. 

They were all idiots.

 

28 minutes ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between laying out a record in one paragraph in a football message board and developing a record over the course of a 3 week trial.  Ever play the game "whisper down the lane" at camp when you were a kid?  Unless there's a video of the incident, the chances are very high that the accounts of the incident are twisted in some way by the time they reach the EMB. 

I said there was a video.

29 minutes ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between laying out a record in one paragraph in a football message board and developing a record over the course of a 3 week trial.  Ever play the game "whisper down the lane" at camp when you were a kid?  Unless there's a video of the incident, the chances are very high that the accounts of the incident are twisted in some way by the time they reach the EMB. 

Um, both were caught on video. Which is what I'm basing my post on.

22 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Being a big proponent of self defense. This one should be in jail.

The man had no weapon and they could have "retreated to the castle" and called the authorities. If he breached the walls then shoot him. 

They were all idiots.

 

The whole thing feels orchestrated in some way. Like this was an outcome they were hoping for. And the dad was dumb/mad enough to play along. 

51 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I'm not sure I can see this as self defense. But I could see it resulting in a hung jury. 

I would think, though I'm not a lawyer, that if you're party to escalating a confrontation that you would forfeit self-defense. It's subjective but I felt like this Kyle dude (with the gun) baited Read.

Read never appeared to actually go for the gun. He did get physical though, pushed Kyle off the porch, at which time the dude pointed his gun and shot.

With no other evidence and without being educated on the specific rules of self defense in Texas, my gut says this is homicide. But finding 12 willing to rule it as such based on video might be challenging. 

It's different from the Rittenhouse case. In that case Rittenhouse was not the aggressor, Rosenbaum was. Rittenhouse retreated until he was cornered and Rosenbaum was actually trying to get the weapon from him. It was inarguably self defense.

F off with the logical response. We need hot takes!!!

3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The whole thing feels orchestrated in some way. Like this was an outcome they were hoping for. And the dad was dumb/mad enough to play along. 

Yeah, it felt like he was baited into it.

I think it was the wife taking the other video and she seemed awfully calm when her husband was shot in the chest.

4 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

The whole thing feels orchestrated in some way. Like this was an outcome they were hoping for. And the dad was dumb/mad enough to play along. 

I think dad was orchestrating his own little fantasy. "I already got the cops on the way".

Go sit in the car and wait for them then.

None of them should have custody of minors.

White guy shoots white guy in a trailer park, it’s self defense.

white cop shoots a black man actively trying to stab his gf and baby mamma it’s murder.

black man shoots a black man over nothing it’s just another day in philly. 
 

the world is Fed up!

8 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

F off with the logical response. We need hot takes!!!

Here's a hot take: your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberry!

55 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Huh?

I was asking what other people think about this?

He won't know what to think about it until his daddy posts.

Sheete like this happens everyday bro.  No need it’s own thread. 
 

but based off of the description of events in the OP it sounds like murder.
 

 the man was there to simply pick up his kids.   

One thing is clear and that’s that when you choose to fight with someone carrying a gun you tend to lose that fight with your life 99% of the time so WALK AWAY!!  
 

of course passions run high when your kids are involved

 

What?

1 hour ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between laying out a record in one paragraph in a football message board and developing a record over the course of a 3 week trial.  Ever play the game "whisper down the lane" at camp when you were a kid?  Unless there's a video of the incident, the chances are very high that the accounts of the incident are twisted in some way by the time they reach the EMB. 

I posted a video.

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/wife-of-chad-read-releases-video-of-deadly-shooting-ssj/