1 hour ago, Procus said:

There's a difference between laying out a record in one paragraph in a football message board and developing a record over the course of a 3 week trial.  Ever play the game "whisper down the lane" at camp when you were a kid?  Unless there's a video of the incident, the chances are very high that the accounts of the incident are twisted in some way by the time they reach the EMB. 

Hey btw dum dum, did you know there are videos?

1 hour ago, Boogyman said:

Hey btw dum dum, did you know there are videos?

Omfg what did I just watch?

wtf nobody even tried to render aid or screamed or anything else the dude just laying there dead and everyone’s arguing about blame while he is laying there 

Dad had a big size advantage.   But didn’t use it.  Once toe to toe he could have easily took the shrimp to the ground and took his weapon without risk of being shot by the gun at that close range.  He went into it half heartedly.   
 

of course he should have just left when the gun came out but he didn’t.  Now he won’t be seeing his kids or anyone else.  

The shooting of Anthony Hill, a U.S. Air Force veteran, occurred on March 9, 2015, in Chamblee, Georgia, near Atlanta. Hill, fatally shot by US police officer Robert Olsen, suffered from mental illness and was naked and unarmed at the time of the incident.^[1][2] The incident was covered in local and national press and sparked the involvement of Black Lives Matter and other advocacy groups who demonstrated their anger at the shooting. In January 2016, a grand jury indicted officer Olsen on two counts of felony murder and one count of aggravated assault.^[3][4][5] Nearing the fourth anniversary of the homicide, it was decided that Olsen's trial would be rescheduled for September 23, 2019, with delays including three successive judges having recused themselves in the case.

 

Hill was noted to be acting erratically when police were called; he had hung from his second-story balcony in his apartment complex, and his speech was slurred.^[5] He had reportedly been running around the complex naked and knocking on doors^[14] asking for his medicine and lying and crawling on the ground.^[11] The woman who called 911 told Hill's family's lawyer that she had called in order to get medical personnel to come for Hill.^[10]

Officer Robert Olsen, employed by the Dekalb County Police Department for seven years, was dispatched to the scene^[8] and found him in the parking lot of the complex.^[15] Olsen waited in his car for several minutes, possibly for backup, when Hill began approaching from about 180 feet (55 m) away.^[10] Olsen exited the car and began moving backward.^[10] Hill, apparently unarmed, ran toward Officer Olsen, who stepped back and called to him to stop.^[12] Hill began to walk naked with hands to side, failing to comply with orders to stop. Olsen shot him twice.^[14] They were six to seven feet apart when the shots were fired.^[10] Hill died at the scene.^[14] Olsen had also been carrying a Taser, police baton, and pepper spray, but DeKalb Police Chief Cedric Alexander said Olsen chose the firearm over those options.^[10] Several residents witnessed the shooting.^[11] Olsen said later that he had believed Hill was a threat to the officer's safety and under the influence of drugs^[16] like phencyclidine or bath salts.^[13] He told the grand jury deciding whether to indict him on charges of murder about other cases in which suspects who had used these drugs had attacked police

44 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Omfg I just watched it 

wtf nobody even tried to render aid or screamed or anything else the dude just laying there dead and everyone’s arguing about blame while he is laying there 

That’s what I said earlier. Everyone is just calm even the wife of the dead guy. It’s surreal. 

3 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

That’s what I said earlier. Everyone is just calm even the wife of the dead guy. It’s surreal. 

"I got it on tape Kyle!" (As her husband lies their motionless after getting shot in the chest)

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"I got it on tape Kyle!" (As her husband lies their motionless after getting shot in the chest)

I watched it twice. No yells, crying, screaming…like you just watched your current husband or the father of your kids shot in the chest and neither woman even batted an eye. 

55 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Omfg what did I just watch?

wtf nobody even tried to render aid or screamed or anything else the dude just laying there dead and everyone’s arguing about blame while he is laying there 

Dad had a big size advantage.   But didn’t use it.  Once toe to toe he could have easily took the shrimp to the ground and took his weapon without risk of being shot by the gun at that close range.  He went into it half heartedly.   
 

of course he should have just left when the gun came out but he didn’t.  Now he won’t be seeing his kids or anyone else.  

Yeah if someone pulls a gun in an arguement, just leave as safely as possible and call the cops.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"I got it on tape Kyle!" (As her husband lies their motionless after getting shot in the chest)

The woman later said she thought it was a stun gun or a paintball gun and didn't realize he was dead. Not entirely sure how believable that is.

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"I recorded the shooting on my cell phone. During this entire incident, I didn’t realize that Kyle Carruth was holding and brandishing an actual firearm. At that time, I thought that it was some type of stun-gun or paintball gun. Even when Kyle Carruth fired the shots, the sound was very muffled and not as loud as I now firearms to be. It wasn’t until I got to Chad on the ground that I realized that he had in fact been shot and that the weapon held by Kyle Carruth was a firearm.

 

7 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

I'm curious to hear what other people think about this...

1. Father goes to pick up his kids, as per court mandate, at 3:15PM from his ex and her boyfriend. 

2. Wife refuses to give the kids over and says she doesn't need to abide by court orders.

3. Father becomes mad, the boyfriend runs into his house (where one of the kids are) and grabs a gun.

4. An argument follows after the boyfriend emerges from the house with a rifle where the boyfriend tells the father to leave. He fires shots into the ground as he's next to the father and struggle over the gun happens.

5. The father pushes away the boyfriend who still has the rifle. The boyfriend then fatally shoots the dad.

 

There's video of the entire incident if you want to watch. I'm stuck on the fact that, while he's claiming self defense, he was in illegal possession of someone else's kids and was refusing to turn them over.

I don’t have time to watch the video now, but based on what you’re saying here are some initial thoughts:

Texas has a very liberal application of stand your ground. The boyfriend doesn’t have custody of the kids, that would be the mother, so I’m not sure if you can say he was in illegal possession of someone else’s kids. Generally speaking if someone attempts to disarm you, that is considered a deadly threat and justification for self defense. Again, not 100% on Texas law, but often times discharging rounds into the ground can be seen as legally reckless.

So just from your description, it sounds like he has a legal case.

My own thoughts... when someone goes into their home and grabs a gun, the smart thing to do is leave. If you have a legal situation like child custody, call the police. If you attempt to disarm someone of their gun, your expectation of failure should be that you will be shot dead.

3 minutes ago, TEW said:

I don’t have time to watch the video now, but based on what you’re saying here are some initial thoughts:

Texas has a very liberal application of stand your ground. The boyfriend doesn’t have custody of the kids, that would be the mother, so I’m not sure if you can say he was in illegal possession of someone else’s kids. Generally speaking if someone attempts to disarm you, that is considered a deadly threat and justification for self defense. Again, not 100% on Texas law, but often times discharging rounds into the ground can be seen as legally reckless.

So just from your description, it sounds like he has a legal case.

My own thoughts... when someone goes into their home and grabs a gun, the smart thing to do is leave. If you have a legal situation like child custody, call the police. If you attempt to disarm someone of their gun, your expectation of failure should be that you will be shot dead.

The shooter may have a case, but just looking at this and the way the woman reacted this seems like a complete set up. He may well get away with it if it was, but this is just flat out weird.

Apparently before the struggle with the gun, Read said something to the effect of "I'm going to take that gun from you and shoot you with it". 

Stupid situation that got stupidly escalated entirely too far.

16 hours ago, TEW said:

I don’t have time to watch the video now, but based on what you’re saying here are some initial thoughts:

Texas has a very liberal application of stand your ground. The boyfriend doesn’t have custody of the kids, that would be the mother, so I’m not sure if you can say he was in illegal possession of someone else’s kids. Generally speaking if someone attempts to disarm you, that is considered a deadly threat and justification for self defense. Again, not 100% on Texas law, but often times discharging rounds into the ground can be seen as legally reckless.

So just from your description, it sounds like he has a legal case.

My own thoughts... when someone goes into their home and grabs a gun, the smart thing to do is leave. If you have a legal situation like child custody, call the police. If you attempt to disarm someone of their gun, your expectation of failure should be that you will be shot dead.

On its face, without context, it looks to be self defense. And I think TX laws will ultimately support that argument in court if it gets that far. I just can't get over this idea that he/they can conjure this situation  out of thin air and basically invite a conflict that resulted in a reason to pull a gun.

On 11/26/2021 at 2:34 PM, mayanh8 said:

The woman later said she thought it was a stun gun or a paintball gun and didn't realize he was dead. Not entirely sure how believable that is.

 

It appears to be a suppressed pistol caliber carbine, most likely 9mm

It doesn't look or sound like a normal rifle.... I actually thought the video was fake when I first saw it with no context. 

On 11/26/2021 at 10:44 AM, lynched1 said:

Being a big proponent of self defense. This one should be in jail.

The man had no weapon and they could have "retreated to the castle" and called the authorities. If he breached the walls then shoot him. 

They were all idiots.

 

Castle Doctrine is moot in Texas..... Texas is a Stand Your Ground State and there is no Duty to Retreat. 

By the way, all of the 2A social media sites are universally condemning this as murder..... Just like they have been doing with the Ahmaud Arbery case 

I'll wait to see what the media tells me to think, then refuse to accept any other possible explanations.

What was strange to me was the reaction of everyone afterwards. They were all so calm

I cannot comment until I know who each person voted for in the previous election.

Finally watched the video. I agree with everyone who said it was weird/bizarre.

Just going off the viewing, I can see how someone might see this as a setup. That said, it's a stand your ground state. When you get in someone's face like that, on their property, verbally challenge them, get in their face again, and then attempt to disarm them, from a legal perspective I'd find it hard to see how stand your ground doesn't apply.

Should he have shot is a different question than if he was within his right to shoot.