I've just remembered the playcalling sequence running up to Hurts endzone pick, you're down to 20 seconds remaining with one time out and you're on 2nd and goal, that play had to be a pass, so an incompletion stops the clock and you run third down and if you don't get there you call the Time Out and take the field goal, it was ridiculous to run it up the middle on 2nd down, because if he doesn't get there (he didn't) you have to use your last Time Out and the third down play has to be a throw into the endzone because you can't stop the clock on anything thats stopped short, to then call a slowarsed rollout rather than just a quick dart at the endzone, just tops it off.

It may sound smart in Sirianni's head that no one expects a run at that point but there's a reason for that.

32 minutes ago, Procus said:

Coaches especially.  If the coaches had stuck to what had been working over the past 4 weeks, the Eagles win the game handily.

I think so too, but at some point you need to start developing the passing game.  Can’t do that if you just run run run.  And not going to be a consistent threat in today’s NFL without a legit passing attack too.  I’m OK with them trying to do that this year to either better prepare them for next season or complete their evaluation on the QB position.  This was always going to be a "take one on the chin” season.  

1 hour ago, Procus said:

Look but don't reach.  As an example, injury prone Jimmy G and his bloated contract aren't worth taking on - let alone giving up the farm for.  Let other teams overpay for a veteran QB in a down year for QB's.  The Eagles are in a position to use one of their 5th round picks on a QB and go with Hurts and Minshew next season if need be.  It's not like the team will be making any noise in 2022, or 2023 for that matter either.

I can agree with that.  But, do you think Roseman will think that way?  Highly doubt it.  He will be doing his best to trade for Wilson/Rodgers/Watson...if he can get one of them.  If he can't get one of those guys, then it'll be REAL interesting to see if he and Lurie "covet" a certain QB in the draft and give up our capital in order to move up to get him.

Not saying that's what I would do, just saying that's likely what Roseman will do.

18 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I can agree with that.  But, do you think Roseman will think that way?  Highly doubt it.  He will be doing his best to trade for Wilson/Rodgers/Watson...if he can get one of them.  If he can't get one of those guys, then it'll be REAL interesting to see if he and Lurie "covet" a certain QB in the draft and give up our capital in order to move up to get him.

Not saying that's what I would do, just saying that's likely what Roseman will do.

Rodgers is great but there's no way he's worth what Green Bay will ask in the season he turns 38. No player is worth 3 first rounders , giving Seattle the draft capital and cap space to retool their roster rather than using it to do it ourselves would cement Howie as the dumbest mf'er ever to sit in a front office, we'd be trotting out Fletcher Cox until he's 40.

The smart play is to let Hurts, Minshew and a high upside mid to late rounder like Hendon Hooker or Bailey Zappe fight it out for next season, if it still isn't working at seasons end then you'll likely be in a position to shuffle up to take Young, Rogers or Stroud next year, Young and Rogers in particular look head and shoulders over anyone in this class.

4 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

Isn't that funny though? Very quiet during the 4 week stretch where he was doing pretty ok but as soon as a bad game comes along......crucifixion....but like you said, Wentz did it actually for years and nothing but excuses for that man.....

Some of those clowns didn’t even post for weeks like you mentioned suddenly show their true colors. Read those dudes trash the entire team for weeks over one player. Some of them wanted that player to win the MVP and the Super Bowl, and are still thinking people should miss him. Their true colors show through. 

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I think so too, but at some point you need to start developing the passing game.  Can’t do that if you just run run run.  And not going to be a consistent threat in today’s NFL without a legit passing attack too.  I’m OK with them trying to do that this year to either better prepare them for next season or complete their evaluation on the QB position.  This was always going to be a "take one on the chin” season.  

The big issue with this game was the horses the coaches wanted to run with broke down. Howard was gone from the game, and Sanders broke down twice in the game. People can say whatever the want, but the truth is this game was a loss because Hurts receivers failed him. Despite all the turnovers they had multiple chances to win, and those players let him down too. I’ve been calling for Ward to get touches and the first chance he gets one he drops a 4 yard out play he’s wide open on? Nick Foles could’ve caught that literally. Two passes hit a guy right on his hands, both are probably touchdowns and nothing. Ultimately the Eagles actually had two big runs called back due to penalties. All of the Eagles ugly tendencies showed their ugly heads in this one. Bad penalties, turnovers, injuries, bad quarterback play, and bad receivers play. 

16 hours ago, Procus said:

Would have liked to see the team play it more conservative and lean on the running game more.  This was the type of game where field goals are your friend as well.  Hurts should have been coached up better on that play before the end of the first half.  That ball belonged out of bounds.

This was a game where they rushed it 33 times for 208 yards and a touchdown. If not for two bad holding calls they probably have nearly 100 more yards and a score. 

25 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The big issue with this game was the horses the coaches wanted to run with broke down. Howard was gone from the game, and Sanders broke down twice in the game. People can say whatever the want, but the truth is this game was a loss because Hurts receivers failed him. Despite all the turnovers they had multiple chances to win, and those players let him down too. I’ve been calling for Ward to get touches and the first chance he gets one he drops a 4 yard out play he’s wide open on? Nick Foles could’ve caught that literally. Two passes hit a guy right on his hands, both are probably touchdowns and nothing. Ultimately the Eagles actually had two big runs called back due to penalties. All of the Eagles ugly tendencies showed their ugly heads in this one. Bad penalties, turnovers, injuries, bad quarterback play, and bad receivers play. 

Yep ... that's why I posted earlier in this thread (and in others) that this loss was on the entire team (and obviously there were other contributing factors like the injuries ... can't forget Kelce missing a good chunk of the game too).  

10 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Yep ... that's why I posted earlier in this thread (and in others) that this loss was on the entire team (and obviously there were other contributing factors like the injuries ... can't forget Kelce missing a good chunk of the game too).  

Driscoll went down, Kelce was basically forced back into the game because of that. This game was a team loss for sure. Every time they did something positive the did something to mess it up for themselves. 

20 hours ago, GroundAttack said:

This game is not on the defense. I know no one is saying it but they did their job keeping the Giants to 13 points. With the way our offense has been playing the last few weeks, that should of been enough for a W. Hurts was terrible for 3 quarters but got you to where you needed to be at the end and Rigor blows it. He should be cut. The Eagles won't do it, but they should. He gives you nothing on offense and he doesn't even get passed the 20 on a kickoff. And when he does return a punt, he either catches it inside the 5 yard line or barley gets you 10 yards and decent field position to work with. Herbig had 2 bad holding penalties with one of them bringing back a Boston Scott touchdown. Hurts first pick was a bad one. I believe we were in field goal position and he throws a bad interception. That's 3 points right there. The next after the Herbig penalty where hurts throws another bad pick before halftime. Throw the ball away. Live for another down and take the 3 again. That's now 6 points left off the board. Classic Eagles. After watching the Sixers last night and this game today, it's just another classic Philly team disappointing you right where they think they have you. 

This is on Siri and coaches. Went back to old play calling that was producing losses. Pass over run. The went away from their winning formula. If can run against best run defense in league why change against the giants? Why pass on goal line? I know was 8 sec and wanted to preserve time for a fg if didn't get in, but Eagles should of been able to get a yard.

12 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

This is on Siri and coaches. Went back to old play calling that was producing losses. Pass over run.

False.  Eagles had 33 runs and 31 passes yesterday, the last drive trying to score was 8 straight passes, you can do the math.

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

False.  Eagles had 33 runs and 31 passes yesterday, the last drive trying to score was 8 straight passes, you can do the math.

I'm sure ratio was different in 1st half when Hurts had his interceptions. They tried to get back to run in 2nd half buy was little to late. The turnovers were killer in this game.

13 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

This is on Siri and coaches. Went back to old play calling that was producing losses. Pass over run. The went away from their winning formula. If can run against best run defense in league why change against the giants? Why pass on goal line? I know was 8 sec and wanted to preserve time for a fg if didn't get in, but Eagles should of been able to get a yard.

Did Siri throw those 2 awful picks in the redzone? No, trash can did

8 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

I'm sure ratio was different in 1st half when Hurts had his interceptions. They tried to get back to run in 2nd half buy was little to late.

Was 50/50 in the first half

 

1st half drives

1st drive - 2 runs, 1 pass

2nd drive - 3 runs, 7 passes ( total 5 runs, 8 passes )

3rd drive - 0 runs, 3 passes ( total 5 runs, 11 passes )

4th drive - 10 runs, 5 passes ( total 15 runs, 16 passes )

20 hours ago, Utebird said:

Saying the defense did their job by holding the Giants to 13 points isn't saying much, the Giants offense sucks, the Giants did a really good job if holding themselves to 13 points.

Eagles didn't get much pressure, their blitzes didn't get home they didn't force any turnovers and basically let the Giants move the ball between the 20s.

They got a few 3 and outs against a really bad offense and that's about it.

They didnt totally crap the bed like the offense but let's no act like they shut down the greatest show on turf.

4 turnovers... 13 points... even for a trash Giants team that's pretty good considering.

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Was 50/50 in the first half

 

1st half drives

1st drive - 2 runs, 1 pass

2nd drive - 3 runs, 7 passes ( total 5 runs, 8 passes )

3rd drive - 0 runs, 3 passes ( total 5 runs, 11 passes )

4th drive - 10 runs, 5 passes ( total 15 runs, 16 passes )

First 3 drives they ran like 4 times to the RBs.... I was so pissed.

8 minutes ago, judunno said:

4 turnovers... 13 points... even for a trash Giants team that's pretty good considering.

Three of those turnovers were bad, because they cost the Eagles points, but none of them were in their own territory like the Miles Sanders fumble was against the Saints. 

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Three of those turnovers were bad, because they cost the Eagles points, but none of them were in their own territory like the Miles Sanders fumble was against the Saints. 

Turnovers are turnovers. Defense kept them at bay for the most part. Even the 13 points was flukey considering a guy caught a TD with his knee lmao.

 

On 11/29/2021 at 1:30 PM, downundermike said:

Was 50/50 in the first half

 

1st half drives

1st drive - 2 runs, 1 pass

2nd drive - 3 runs, 7 passes ( total 5 runs, 8 passes )

3rd drive - 0 runs, 3 passes ( total 5 runs, 11 passes )

4th drive - 10 runs, 5 passes ( total 15 runs, 16 passes )

That's not how most analysts are seeing it... is what it is I guess.

 

On 11/29/2021 at 10:22 AM, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I've just remembered the playcalling sequence running up to Hurts endzone pick, you're down to 20 seconds remaining with one time out and you're on 2nd and goal, that play had to be a pass, so an incompletion stops the clock and you run third down and if you don't get there you call the Time Out and take the field goal, it was ridiculous to run it up the middle on 2nd down, because if he doesn't get there (he didn't) you have to use your last Time Out and the third down play has to be a throw into the endzone because you can't stop the clock on anything thats stopped short, to then call a slowarsed rollout rather than just a quick dart at the endzone, just tops it off.

It may sound smart in Sirianni's head that no one expects a run at that point but there's a reason for that.

I had flashbacks to game 2 against SF

Had a dream that Nelson Agholor and Jalen Reagor became outspoken opponents of the COVID vaccine because both were convinced they couldn’t catch anything. 

On 11/29/2021 at 11:22 AM, downundermike said:

False.  Eagles had 33 runs and 31 passes yesterday, the last drive trying to score was 8 straight passes, you can do the math.

You can stop counting. We Lost...because our offense sucked. Time to look forward towards the next game and hopefully NO MORE INTERSEPTIONS from whoever plays QB next week.

On 11/28/2021 at 5:30 PM, Godfather said:

It's on both Jalen's. Both suck

Hurts is #2 QB at fantasy points.  He's doing a lot of good stuff over the course of a year.  Being 2 QB  most good things = not suck.  Gotta count all those rushing yards.

43 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts is #2 QB at fantasy points.  He's doing a lot of good stuff over the course of a year.  Being 2 QB  most good things = not suck.  Gotta count all those rushing yards.

So you consider him good because of the points he puts up in ff? 

Blame is placed on Hurts 3 picks and the 4 drops, specifically Raegar. But it’s just the typical letdown game for the Eagles. How they ever won a super bowl is beyond me, but I’m glad I saw one at least because it likely will not happen again.