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2 minutes ago, Quiet Boy said:

Amen.

I hope this has the legs but I'm skeptical. Career politicians will fight tooth and nail against this.

Too bad most of the voters will miss the career politicians fighting tooth and nail against it as it will be done in the shadows and not in the public light.  The ones who fight hardest against this are the ones who should be voted out of office.

I say NO re-election, ever.  ONE term and done.  And you can only hold 5 offices (combined local/state/federal) and then you're out of politics and can never serve/hold office again.  So if you start out on your town/city council that's 1 term of office.  Now you're done with that position and you can't hold it again.  Time to move on.  Then maybe you're the mayor of your town/city or a member of your state's congressional/senatorial office.  Again, one term and you're done.  Get in there, get to work, do some good.  That's 2 terms of office served.  Next, maybe you win your state's election for governor.  Serve 4 years and you're done and out.  That's now 3 terms of office served.  Now maybe you win election to serve your state as a congressperson or senator in DC.  Oh, and let's make them both 4 year terms instead of the stupid 2 and 6 year terms.  So another 4 years served and once again you're done.  Can't hold that office or any of the previous offices ever again.  And now you only one more 4 year term to serve and you're out of politics and back to the private sector.  So maybe now you get elected POTUS.  Guess what?  You get 4 years in this position and you're done.  No re-election to worry about, just 4 years of trying to do the best job you can do.  

That's 20 years max served in politics and now you're a private citizen again and you can't ever run or hold another political office ever again on any level.  Time to get some new blood into the system.  We need more turnover with newer fresher ideas and this would help.  Oh, and you don't ever get to vote yourself a pay raise.  You have to ask the citizens for that and then they get to vote on it.  

BTW, that was a good speech that guy made in the video.  

 

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I find the term limits discussions comical.  Americans just put one of the most unqualified people ever in the White House for 4 years, but we’re going to pretend the real problem is someone serving multiple terms in Congress?

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2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I find the term limits discussions comical.  Americans just put one of the most unqualified people ever in the White House for 4 years, but we’re going to pretend the real problem is someone serving multiple terms in Congress?

Maybe there should have been some type qualification process, or criteria, besides color or sex, in order to be able to cast a vote? Landownership seemed like a good start. 


This should be a good discussion.

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3 minutes ago, hey suess said:

Maybe there should have been some type qualification process, or criteria, besides color or sex, in order to be able to cast a vote? Landownership seemed like a good start. 


This should be a good discussion.

Land-owning white men overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

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5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Land-owning white men overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

I did. ^_^ 
Dragged everyone out of the house and told them who to vote for too. Because that's what us white guys do.

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All politicians should serve 2 terms. The first in office, the 2nd in prison. Term limits for politicians would be a good start, but, unless you time limit staffers, too, then you’re just transferring long-term power.

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13 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I find the term limits discussions comical.  Americans just put one of the most unqualified people ever in the White House for 4 years, but we’re going to pretend the real problem is someone serving multiple terms in Congress?

It is a real problem. Not the only problem. 

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1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said:

It is a real problem. Not the only problem. 

It’s hard to remove an incumbent.  I get it.  But incumbents can be defeated in primaries and/or general elections.  Before the 17th Amendment U.S. Senators were appointed.  Progressives changed that.  We vote now.  

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On ‎5‎/‎3‎/‎2020 at 11:23 AM, Dave Moss said:

It’s hard to remove an incumbent.  I get it.  But incumbents can be defeated in primaries and/or general elections.  Before the 17th Amendment U.S. Senators were appointed.  Progressives changed that.  We vote now.  

sometimes we have to save us from ourselves.

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On 5/2/2020 at 8:34 PM, Dave Moss said:

I find the term limits discussions comical.  Americans just put one of the most unqualified people ever in the White House for 4 years, but we’re going to pretend the real problem is someone serving multiple terms in Congress?

I'd rather have a forced retirement/age limit. I vote against them, but do we really need a government filled with geriatric geezers that making laws for things that they have no idea how they work? Think of this some of these old hacks were in a government role when we didn't have home computers, cell phones, internet as three major ones. A few of them were in office before cable even widely used, cassettes were the hot ticket, MTV showed music, and VHS was entertainment. I strongly favor age limits. There is a minimum, so there should be a maximum age.

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7 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said:

I'd rather have a forced retirement/age limit. I vote against them, but do we really need a government filled with geriatric geezers that making laws for things that they have no idea how they work? Think of this some of these old hacks were in a government role when we didn't have home computers, cell phones, internet as three major ones. A few of them were in office before cable even widely used, cassettes were the hot ticket, MTV showed music, and VHS was entertainment. I strongly favor age limits. There is a minimum, so there should be a maximum age.

Yeah...  when I read Trump doesn't use e-mail I kind of chuckled to myself, but then was like, "are we sure this is a good idea?"  

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On 5/2/2020 at 8:51 PM, The_Omega said:

All politicians should serve 2 terms. The first in office, the 2nd in prison. Term limits for politicians would be a good start, but, unless you time limit staffers, too, then you’re just transferring long-term power.

You'll get a chance to do your part in November, Zucker.  Tom Tillis has served his term is up for re-election against Cal Cunningham.  Now's your chance to put your money where your mouth is!

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2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Yeah...  when I read Trump doesn't use e-mail I kind of chuckled to myself, but then was like, "are we sure this is a good idea?"  

Yea, like do we honestly think any Senator over 70 uses email? Has any idea on how the internet functions or any technology? I have zero faith they can do things to regulate and police it. It's 2020, like how don't you use email? My friend works at a bank branch and there are people that come in like how would I get my money or pay bills if the branch is closed? Like haven't they heard of the internet or ATM? I haven't set foot in a branch in 5 years. Add in the obvious cognitive decline.

If we are saying that anyone under a certain age isn't mature enough to hold office, then someone above a certain age can certainly be held to a similar standard. Strom Thurmond was being wheeled out at 100 years old. Like what is wrong with people? You wonder why government "doesn't work" then vote for a corpse that votes straight what its billionaire puppeteers want. No functioning democracy should have anyway approaching that age serving especially in something like the Senate. 

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2 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Yea, like do we honestly think any Senator over 70 uses email? Has any idea on how the internet functions or any technology? I have zero faith they can do things to regulate and police it. It's 2020, like how don't you use email? My friend works at a bank branch and there are people that come in like how would I get my money or pay bills if the branch is closed? Like haven't they heard of the internet or ATM? I haven't set foot in a branch in 5 years. Add in the obvious cognitive decline.

If we are saying that anyone under a certain age isn't mature enough to hold office, then someone above a certain age can certainly be held to a similar standard. Strom Thurmond was being wheeled out at 100 years old. Like what is wrong with people? You wonder why government "doesn't work" then vote for a corpse that votes straight what its billionaire puppeteers want. No functioning democracy should have anyway approaching that age serving especially in something like the Senate. 

My grandfather is 89 and daily does online banking and bill pay and checks his email.

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17 minutes ago, Bill said:

My grandfather is 89 and daily does online banking and bill pay and checks his email.

One of the few my grandparents passed within the past 6 years at with 3 in their 90s and one at 87 and not one of them knew how to use a computer let alone do anything on it. That is the exception, but good for him keeping up with changes when the vast majority in that age are "technologically illiterate" 

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2 minutes ago, Ride the Walrus said:

One of the few my grandparents passed within the past 6 years at with 3 in their 90s and one at 87 and not one of them knew how to use a computer let alone do anything on it. That is the exception, but good for him keeping up with changes when the vast majority in that age are "technologically illiterate" 

Yeah, I remember in 92 he had a computer and by 94 he had internet.

Then again he spent his retirement taking math courses at the local state college, so he's not exactly normal. 

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13 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah, I remember in 92 he had a computer and by 94 he had internet.

Then again he spent his retirement taking math courses at the local state college, so he's not exactly normal. 

I found a picture of him. 

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26 minutes ago, Bill said:

Yeah, I remember in 92 he had a computer and by 94 he had internet.

Then again he spent his retirement taking math courses at the local state college, so he's not exactly normal. 

But that is good. He probably has been kept pretty sharp. Hopefully he continues to be sharp, I just wouldn't want him making laws for me or deciding on them. Crazy though 92 my parents got a home PC and we were one of the few people that had one. Even internet in 94 is almost early adopter.

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6 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

But that is good. He probably has been kept pretty sharp. Hopefully he continues to be sharp, I just wouldn't want him making laws for me or deciding on them. Crazy though 92 my parents got a home PC and we were one of the few people that had one. Even internet in 94 is almost early adopter.

Yeah. He got hit by a car about a decade ago and lost a lot of mobility. At his age now he has some problems remembering stuff, but he's still with it. At 89 his pulse is in the 50s and his bo is around 130/70.

He reads the NYT every day. Agreed that he's past the point of making laws and such but he's pretty damned sharp for 89. 

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On 5/2/2020 at 8:34 PM, Dave Moss said:

I find the term limits discussions comical.  Americans just put one of the most unqualified people ever in the White House for 4 years, but we’re going to pretend the real problem is someone serving multiple terms in Congress?

This is one of the most ridiculous "but Trump” responses I’ve ever seen.  He has 8 years max. The Pelosi’s Schumer’s McConnell’s etc basically can serve for life. So when it comes to discussing term limits "but Trump” does not apply in any way, shape or form. 

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18 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

I'd rather have a forced retirement/age limit. I vote against them, but do we really need a government filled with geriatric geezers that making laws for things that they have no idea how they work? Think of this some of these old hacks were in a government role when we didn't have home computers, cell phones, internet as three major ones. A few of them were in office before cable even widely used, cassettes were the hot ticket, MTV showed music, and VHS was entertainment. I strongly favor age limits. There is a minimum, so there should be a maximum age.

Millennials had that...

I don't think you're going far back enough

18 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Yea, like do we honestly think any Senator over 70 uses email? Has any idea on how the internet functions or any technology? I have zero faith they can do things to regulate and police it. It's 2020, like how don't you use email? My friend works at a bank branch and there are people that come in like how would I get my money or pay bills if the branch is closed? Like haven't they heard of the internet or ATM? I haven't set foot in a branch in 5 years. Add in the obvious cognitive decline.

If we are saying that anyone under a certain age isn't mature enough to hold office, then someone above a certain age can certainly be held to a similar standard. Strom Thurmond was being wheeled out at 100 years old. Like what is wrong with people? You wonder why government "doesn't work" then vote for a corpse that votes straight what its billionaire puppeteers want. No functioning democracy should have anyway approaching that age serving especially in something like the Senate. 

Some people like dealing with other people when it comes to their money 🤷‍♂️

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18 hours ago, Ride the Walrus said:

Yea, like do we honestly think any Senator over 70 uses email?

butter emails says hi.

 

ok, she was in her mid to late 60's, but she looked 80 at the time.

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