May 14, 20214 yr 27 minutes ago, greend said: Yeah. F that. I love Montana. Beautiful state and an outdoor paradise. Fly fishing out there was amazing when I went a few years ago.
May 14, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, rambo said: Yeah. F that. I love Montana. Beautiful state and an outdoor paradise. Fly fishing out there was amazing when I went a few years ago. You could still visit Montana if it were a reimagined Jewish homeland. @greend And yes, I'm serious.
May 14, 20214 yr 25 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: You could still visit Montana if it were a reimagined Jewish homeland. @greend And yes, I'm serious. Okay well I'm not sure if our new Jewish poster can confirm or not, but they believe that the land where they are now was promised to them by God. So I don't think Montana would have worked for them. Interested to see what he says though.
May 14, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, greend said: Okay well I'm not sure if our new Jewish poster can confirm or not, but they believe that the land where they are now was promised to them by God. So I don't think Montana would have worked for them. Interested to see what he says though. Both sides believe it's their divinely-ordained right to live on the land, so I'm not too worried about that. That kind of thinking is why wars never end. Fact is, pre-WW2 the Palestinians did live on the land, no matter what God supposedly decried 2000 years prior. At this point, everyone's got their squabbles, reasons to resent the other and not back down, but if you go back to 1948 and do the right thing, granting the displaced Jewish population Montana, then BAM, problem solved. And he seems cool with the idea. 18 hours ago, ilross2003 said: Absolutely! But I fear it's too late for this... Where have you been in 1948??? 🙂
May 14, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Both sides believe it's their divinely-ordained right to live on the land, so I'm not too worried about that. That kind of thinking is why wars never end. Fact is, pre-WW2 the Palestinians did live on the land, no matter what God supposedly decried 2000 years prior. At this point, everyone's got their squabbles, reasons to resent the other and not back down, but if you go back to 1948 and do the right thing, granting the displaced Jewish population Montana, then BAM, problem solved. And he seems cool with the idea. I saw that. Thanks
May 14, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, ilross2003 said: Actually, there is a distinction between the Israeli Arabs that are citizens of Israel just like anyone else, and have the same rights, including the right to vote in the Israeli Elections; and the Palestinian Arabs that are not a citizens of the State of Israel, hence they do not vote in the Israeli Elections. The Palestinian Arabs vote in the Palestinian National Authority elections. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority So technically, they already have their own country, but, they actually failed to make anything creative with their economy, living mostly on the international aid money and our infrastructure. The West Bank is ruled by Fatah, but Gaza is ruled by Hamas (they don't like each other very much, but whatever). Since we have withdrawn from Gaza in 2005, we had the agreement with the Palestinian Authority. But Hamas won the democratic elections in Gaza, ignored the agreement and started bombing of the Israeli civilians. It's not surprising, since their chapter "rejects a two-state solution, stating that the conflict cannot be resolved "except through jihad". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas So, the majority of the innocent Palestinians wanted Hamas to rule them (and, by the way, Hamas is responsible for most of this, and much more): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks The results of the elections are hardly surprising, because of the way they are being taught in their educational system: https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/comprehensive-report-reveals-endemic-hate-education-in-palestinian-schools-632057 Thank you for the post. I do appreciate your perspective on these issues.
May 14, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, VanHammersly said: You could still visit Montana if it were a reimagined Jewish homeland. @greend And yes, I'm serious. Sounds like you don’t buy into the Jewish diaspora.
May 14, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Sounds like you don’t buy into the Jewish diaspora. Just that they were driven into exile?
May 14, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Just that they were driven into exile? No, that they have an ancestral homeland
May 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: No that they have an ancestral homeland Well, sure, I get that they have an ancestral homeland, but a few thousand years later, what're you gonna do? Native American tribes have ancestral homelands too, but in large part those are long gone now. Best you can do is find a nice place like Montana to settle down in and do some world-class fly fishing. A win-win.
May 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Well, sure, I get that they have an ancestral homeland, but a few thousand years later, what're you gonna do? Native American tribes have ancestral homelands too, but in large part those are long gone now. Best you can do is find a nice place like Montana to settle down in and do some world-class fly fishing. A win-win. It’s a lot easier to kill people over land if you believe that God wants you there.
May 14, 20214 yr The idea of manifest destiny in American history is basically the same thing by the way
May 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: It’s a lot easier to kill people over land if you believe that God wants you there. Right, but they both believe God wants them there. And the whole notion that God cares where a specific group of people live is just silly. The facts were, in 1948, that the Palestinians were living on the land. If you want to avoid either sustained ethnic cleansing or never-ending war the only option was to find a more suitable place for displaced Jewish people. Montana was perfect because it's huge, sparsely populated and owned by the US. But they didn't do that and now it'll be a never-ending war. I don't really care who's right or wrong at this specific point in time. In a sense, they're both right and they're both wrong, because there are hundreds of examples of both sides overstepping through the years. But at one point, it was under near complete Palestinian control. That would've been the time to come up with a better plan.
May 14, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, VanHammersly said: Well, sure, I get that they have an ancestral homeland, but a few thousand years later, what're you gonna do? Native American tribes have ancestral homelands too, but in large part those are long gone now. Best you can do is find a nice place like Montana to settle down in and do some world-class fly fishing. A win-win. If you keep trying to get rid of Montana we're going to have to take this to the beef thread.
May 14, 20214 yr Just now, rambo said: If you keep trying to get rid of Montana we're going to have to take this to the beef thread. Do it. And ..... F Montana.
May 14, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, rambo said: If you keep trying to get rid of Montana we're going to have to take this to the beef thread. You can take your a** to Idaho, ****.
May 14, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, rambo said: Yeah. F that. I love Montana. Beautiful state and an outdoor paradise. Fly fishing out there was amazing when I went a few years ago. Whoa, are you implying it wouldn't be all those things if Jewish people lived there? Settle down, Hitler!
May 14, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Whoa, are you implying it wouldn't be all those things if Jewish people lived there? Settle down, Hitler! Give them North Dakota. That's my compromise.
May 15, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, VanHammersly said: You could still visit Montana if it were a reimagined Jewish homeland. @greend And yes, I'm serious. Nah, we’re not giving away land to some random group of people. Americans gave their lives in the thousands to free Jewish people from tyranny. We continue to fight wars and fund their defense to this day. We’ve done more than enough. They have their home land, and frankly, they’ve been horrible "allies” as a nation.
May 15, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, TEW said: Nah, we’re not giving away land to some random group of people. Americans gave their lives in the thousands to free Jewish people from tyranny. We continue to fight wars and fund their defense to this day. We’ve done more than enough. They have their home land, and frankly, they’ve been horrible "allies” as a nation. Well no sheet we’re not now. My hypothetical was in 1948.
May 15, 20214 yr 46 minutes ago, TEW said: Nah, we’re not giving away land to some random group of people. Americans gave their lives in the thousands to free Jewish people from tyranny. We continue to fight wars and fund their defense to this day. We’ve done more than enough. They have their home land, and frankly, they’ve been horrible "allies” as a nation. Yep, read up on Jonathan Pollard, who apparently just moved to Israel in December, if you think they’ve been good allies.
May 15, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Dave Moss said: Yep, read up on Jonathan Pollard, who apparently just moved to Israel in December, if you think they’ve been good allies. The worst greatest ally of all time.
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