January 26, 20214 yr Saber rattling, ready begin.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187669/Beijing-flies-15-fighter-jets-Taiwan-second-time-two-days.html
January 26, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Talkingbirds said: Saber rattling, ready begin.... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9187669/Beijing-flies-15-fighter-jets-Taiwan-second-time-two-days.html Typical. New American administration, so they gotta flex their Commie muscles.
February 3, 20214 yr On 1/26/2021 at 5:14 PM, EaglesRocker97 said: Typical. New American administration, so they gotta flex their Commie muscles. If China ceased to be communist would the rest of the world support them taking back Taiwan?
February 3, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Dave Moss said: If China ceased to be communist would the rest of the world support them taking back Taiwan? Define "support." They didn't "support" Russia annexing the Crimea, but they didn't stop them, either.
February 3, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Define "support." They didn't "support" Russia annexing the Crimea, but they didn't stop them, either. Crimea used to be part of Russia (changed in the 1950s) just like Taiwan used to be part of China (changed in 1949). The major obstacle to China taking back Taiwan has always been U.S. naval power in the Pacific (or more specifically the Taiwan Strait)
February 3, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Crimea used to be part of Russia (changed in the 1950s) just like Taiwan used to be part of China (changed in 1949). The major obstacle to China taking back Taiwan has always been U.S. naval power in the Pacific (or more specifically the Taiwan Strait) No. The major obstacle to China has been the Taiwan Straight itself. China cannot even force project across it, as they do not have the naval capability.
February 3, 20214 yr 20 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Crimea used to be part of Russia (changed in the 1950s) just like Taiwan used to be part of China (changed in 1949). The major obstacle to China taking back Taiwan has always been U.S. naval power in the Pacific (or more specifically the Taiwan Strait) Crimea was transferred to Ukraine in 1954, but it still was essentially governed by the USSR until its dissolution. But you didn't answer my question, although I think I get what you're digging at. My take is that, even with Communist China, I don't see the U.S. or Europe engaging in military conflict to save Taiwan at this stage.
February 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Crimea was transferred to Ukraine in the 1954, but it still was essentially governed by the USSR until its dissolution. But you didn't answer my question, although I think I get what you're digging at. My take is that, even with Communist China, I don't see the U.S. or Europe engaging in military conflict to save Taiwan at this stage. I wouldn't be so sure. Taiwan has greater industrial importance to the US than Crimea did.
February 3, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Bill said: No. The major obstacle to China has been the Taiwan Straight itself. China cannot even force project across it, as they do not have the naval capability. You're basically just repackaging what he just said
February 3, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I wouldn't be so sure. Taiwan has greater industrial importance to the US than Crimea did. It does, but I think the sheer size of the Chinese military by this point would force a calculation that the cost would be too high, not only in men and materiel, but in domestic politics as it would cause an enormous dove/hawk rift. Think Korea and Vietnam combined. At the very least, I only see the U.S. engaging covertly.
February 3, 20214 yr The nature of engagement would still heavily depend what party occupies the W.H. at the time, however.
February 3, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: You're basically just repackaging what he just said No. He cited US naval power. US naval power in the pacific is the machine gun sitting behind the wall that China doesn’t even have the ability to climb in the first place. The actual body of water itself is a deterrent to China.
February 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Bill said: No. He cited US naval power. US naval power in the pacific is the machine gun sitting behind the wall that China doesn’t even have the ability to climb in the first place. The actual body of water itself is a deterrent to China. It’s roughly 50 miles wide. We’re not talking about an enormous distance.
February 3, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: It’s roughly 50 miles wide. We’re not talking about an enormous distance. It is 110 miles and it is an enormous distance if you don’t have a blue water navy.
February 3, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Bill said: It is 110 miles and it is an enormous distance if you don’t have a blue water navy. It’s about 50 miles from islands China controls in the strait to Taiwan. But good job googling the width.
February 3, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: It’s about 50 miles from islands China controls in the strait to Taiwan. But good job googling the width. It's very shallow and narrow at points, so it's shortest point is probably not a good invasion route.
February 3, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: It’s about 50 miles from islands China controls in the strait to Taiwan. But good job googling the width. Here’s a question: where the F do you think the PLA invasion force would be assembling?
February 4, 20214 yr This is what America first actually looks like Quote "I made it very clear to President Putin in a manner very different from my predecessor that the days of the United States rolling over in the face of Russian aggressive actions, interfering with our elections, cyberattacks, poisoning its citizens, are over,” Biden said.
February 5, 20214 yr https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/politics/biden-state-department-visit/index.html?fbclid=IwAR2ehwsQlGZOLC6r2lRxFTSgmSnclkGw3qHKLh7QrR_QvYRyL6r25J1KZyI Quote Washington (CNN)President Joe Biden announced "America is back" on Thursday and declared that "diplomacy is back at the center" of US foreign policy as he said the US will end all support for Saudi Arabia's offensive operations in Yemen, one of several changes he announced in his first major foreign-policy speech since taking office. Getting us out of Yemen. Most libertarian President, ever? What do you think, @Kz!? I'm just kidding, obviously he's the most libertarian President ever. That's not really up for debate, but I'd still like to hear what you think about Biden's pivot from the warmongering of the Trump administration.
February 5, 20214 yr Biden's first good move in office. Unfortunately, he'll undo all the good with this move when we ramp up involvement in Syria when Assad inexplicably gases his own people.
February 16, 20214 yr 30 Taliban militants killed in explosion during bomb-making class At least 30 Taliban militants have died in Afghanistan after they blew themselves up during a bomb-making class. The Khaama Press News Agency said the fighters died when Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) they were learning to construct exploded inside a mosque, quoting a release from the Afghan Army's 209th Shaheen Corps https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/30-taliban-militants-killed-in-explosion-during-bomb-making-class/DBKQCRGGYDC6PPNR5SMXBXHOSA/
February 18, 20214 yr Estonia warns of "silenced world dominated by Beijing" In its annual report released today, the Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service paints a stark picture of China's attempts to silence criticism and dominate key technologies in Estonia and other democracies. https://news.yahoo.com/estonia-warns-silenced-world-dominated-110011538.html
February 18, 20214 yr On 2/3/2021 at 9:06 AM, EaglesRocker97 said: The nature of engagement would still heavily depend what party occupies the W.H. at the time, however. Obama was weak in the face of crimea...and syria as well, really would biden be weak on taiwan? Probably. i doubt the US populace has the appetite for another war. On 2/4/2021 at 6:14 PM, Gannan said: This is what America first actually looks like Empty talk is easy.
February 18, 20214 yr 12 hours ago, ToastJenkins said: Obama was weak in the face of crimea...and syria as well, really would biden be weak on taiwan? Probably. i doubt the US populace has the appetite for another war. Empty talk is easy. Empty rhetoric > cowardly appeasement
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