3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well in all fairness bowels and McDermott got thrown into a fire. McDermott got promoted to d-coordinator unexpectedly with the passing of JJ and Bowles was thrown in the middle of the season after the Juan and Washburn blow up. 

I remember the big knock of McDermott at the time ironically was he blitzed too much. 😂  It’s not like he had Dawkins to rely on either. JJ had Dawkins while he had Not So Macho Harris. 😂

8 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I remember the big knock of McDermott at the time ironically was he blitzed too much. 😂  It’s not like he had Dawkins to rely on either. JJ had Dawkins while he had Not So Macho Harris. 😂

Macho Harris… I forgot he existed until you just mentioned his name. 

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I remember the big knock of McDermott at the time ironically was he blitzed too much. 😂  It’s not like he had Dawkins to rely on either. JJ had Dawkins while he had Not So Macho Harris. 😂

Exactly McDermott inherited a defense that had it's run and lost its heart and soul in Dawkins and his mentor in JJ . People didn't even give him a chance and was run out of town. 

Don't forget the shark!! Ernie sims lmao

19 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Maybe the Broncos fire Vic Fangio tomorrow and we can hire him and get him running this defense before our week 18 game vs the Cowboys. 

One can dream of course. 

He would have been the perfect DC for a first-time head coach. They aren’t letting Gannon leave now, though.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well in all fairness bowels and McDermott got thrown into a fire. McDermott got promoted to d-coordinator unexpectedly with the passing of JJ and Bowles was thrown in the middle of the season after the Juan and Washburn blow up. 

And yet neither had to deal with Washburn.

55 minutes ago, nipples said:

Macho Harris… I forgot he existed until you just mentioned his name. 

Yeah it’s not always just about the coaches. They have to deal with the players or lack of talent with those players.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

And yet neither had to deal with Washburn.

I'm not knocking Juan he did a lot better then he was given credit for

21 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Have you actually looked at the offenses we have played? Have you looked at who the 9 wins have come against? 

Well everybody is calling the Cowboys defense elite and they played the exact same schedule.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Juan was a great coach, but he was a far better OL coach. I know why Andy did what he did (he was trying to drop Juan a well deserved bone and get him and eventual coaching job), but ultimately it made Juan look bad, and the team as a whole was a disaster. 

Of reasons that team was a disaster Juan being the DC would be like 15th on my list 

People forget that Juan wasn't an OL he played LB in college and the USFL, he coached LBs and defense in college before switching to TE coach in college and OL then was a TE coach under Rhodes, when Andy was hired he talked Andy into making him OL coach and he became one if the best in the league, why's it such a stretch to think that a guy who played defense coached defense and turned himself into a top O line coach wouldn't be able to be a great DC.

Heck he won a super bowl with the Ravens as a run game coordinator.

I think without Washburn and given a real shot Juan could have been a fine DC, he incorporated a lot of what he learned from all his years designing blocking schemes with and against JJ, there were stories if JJ asking Juan about blocking schemes and how to beat them.

Like I said that whole team was a dumpster fire and I'd put Juan way down on the list as reasons why.

Good coach better person!

 

 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

Macho Harris… I forgot he existed until you just mentioned his name. 

So true.

1 hour ago, nipples said:

Macho Harris… I forgot he existed until you just mentioned his name. 

Had high hopes for macho after reading spads hype pieces about how versatile he was as he could play slot and safety and return kicks, it was almost as hyped as the articles Dave would always write about whatever new RB was the flavor if the weak lining up next to westbrook.

Just imagine tony hunt next to Westbrook 😒

Just imagine Ryan moats in the same backfield as westtbrook👎

Just imagine Lorenzo Booker next to Westbrook🥱

Just imagine Kyle Eckel lined up next to Westbrook 🤔

Just imagine Leonard Weaver ...☹️

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Of reasons that team was a disaster Juan being the DC would be like 15th on my list 

People forget that Juan wasn't an OL he played LB in college and the USFL, he coached LBs and defense in college before switching to TE coach in college and OL then was a TE coach under Rhodes, when Andy was hired he talked Andy into making him OL coach and he became one if the best in the league, why's it such a stretch to think that a guy who played defense coached defense and turned himself into a top O line coach wouldn't be able to be a great DC.

 

 

 

Because there is a reason DC have to work their way up in the NFL. Coaching LB in college doesn't mean crap. Now, if you take Kyle Whittingham out of Utah and put him as DC it would probably work, but you don't make a dumb decision like putting someone like Juan with with so little experience there. It's beyond asinine on top of the fact you don't move one of the best position coaches in the NFL at the most important position outside of QB. We can go around in circles on this but the bottom line is he was an epic fail and that proves why you don't do it.

42 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Well everybody is calling the Cowboys defense elite and they played the exact same schedule.

No they didn’t. They played a third place schedule, compared to the eagles last place schedule.   Doesn’t seem like a big difference, but it turned out to be pretty significant.  
 

Here are the differences:

Cowboys: Patriots, Vikings, Cardinals

Eagles: Jets, Niners, Lions

 

Jim Johnson (rest his soul) was highly regarded as a great, aggressive defensive coordinator. His strengths included his ability to disguise blitzes, unexpectedly drop linemen into coverages, and to attack from different places along the line of scrimmage. He used the defense to dictate to the opponent's offense. You could argue he had more talent to work with. I don't know how Gannon prepares or who he considers a mentor, but don't you think there's merit to absorbing as much tape as you can on Jim Johnson's blitz schemes to determine what could be learned there? 

21 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Because there is a reason DC have to work their way up in the NFL. Coaching LB in college doesn't mean crap. Now, if you take Kyle Whittingham out of Utah and put him as DC it would probably work, but you don't make a dumb decision like putting someone like Juan with with so little experience there. It's beyond asinine on top of the fact you don't move one of the best position coaches in the NFL at the most important position outside of QB. We can go around in circles on this but the bottom line is he was an epic fail and that proves why you don't do it.

Reid hired Howard Mudd as OL coach to run a zone blocking scheme, mudd had been a highly respected OL coach with Indy prior to retiring, part of him agreeing to come out retirement is that Reid would hire Mudds good motorcycle buddy Jim Washburn as a DL coach.

Probably one of the worse mistakes Reid ever made and I'm not sure it was his to begin with.

Of course he didn't want to lose Juan and Juan said why not let me be a DC since they didn't have one.

I think maybe in another city other than philly where the fan base had just run McDermott out of town it might of worked, probably would have worked better also if washburn wasn't the piece of human trash he was and wouldn't of hurt if the eagles were winning  after having huge expectations.

Like I said you say asinine I say not so much 

John harbaugh went from special teams coach to one year quality control coach to head coach, one who hired Juan as his run game coordinator,another position Juan never did before at any level.

One can say well it's asinine to expect a guy who was an OL coach to all the sudden be a DC, yet again the facts speak for themselves, statistically Juan did better with the same players than bowels and McDermott and neither of those two had to put up with Washburn.

Juan is a career football coach, if you know football you know football, and if you know how to teach you know how to teach.

Bill Walsh is credited as being one of the greatest offensive minds and teachers if football of all time and if one said hey let's make him a DC I'd say he'd probably be ok at that too, he knows football you really think Juan his whole football career is just clueless about defense and clueless how to coach it or coordinate it.

Dude played LB his whole career coached LBs and defense so why the heck would he be a TE coach??? Then an OL coach then a TE coach in the NFL to a top OL coach 

Wouldn't it be just as asinine for a coach to say hey that LB D line coach let's make him a TE coach??

As for whittingham yeah he was a good college DC he's a good head coach could he coach OL in the NFL or TEs???

If I were a coach looking for coordinators I'd take a guy like Juan every day of the week and twice on Sundays and figure out a place to put him because I know even if he's not the best at that spot he'll work his tail off like he did to become a top OL coach in the NFL.

Not much of a stretch to say he could have been a good DC especially when statistically he was better than the guy before and 2 after him.

11 minutes ago, nipples said:

No they didn’t. They played a first place schedule, compared to the eagles last place schedule.   
 

Here are the differences:

Cowboys: Patriots, Vikings, Cardinals

Eagles: Jets, Niners, Lions

 

Yeah, those are the facts. I know the Eagles have surged here of late and it has been extremely entertaining. The fact we get to extend the season by a playoff game is perhaps "over-achieving" compared with what prognosticators (and expert football analysts like myself j/k) predicted at the beginning of the season. But it is still icing on the cake and both a fun and entertaining season. If this is a "rebuild", I'll take this (even if we are "one and done") over having to endure a sub .500 season with no shot at post-season play. 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

Well everybody is calling the Cowboys defense elite and they played the exact same schedule.

Their defense does look to the eye better than ours though. They have speed and they have play makers. And they have a DC who we know is pretty good. 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I remember the big knock of McDermott at the time ironically was he blitzed too much. 😂  It’s not like he had Dawkins to rely on either. JJ had Dawkins while he had Not So Macho Harris. 😂

I thought the big knock was the lockerroom full of defensive players who wouldn’t listen to him.

21 minutes ago, Eldereagle1 said:

Jim Johnson (rest his soul) was highly regarded as a great, aggressive defensive coordinator. His strengths included his ability to disguise blitzes, unexpectedly drop linemen into coverages, and to attack from different places along the line of scrimmage. He used the defense to dictate to the opponent's offense. You could argue he had more talent to work with. I don't know how Gannon prepares or who he considers a mentor, but don't you think there's merit to absorbing as much tape as you can on Jim Johnson's blitz schemes to determine what could be learned there? 

He's a Zimmerman disciple.

Interesting about JJ (RIP) is he didn't have a tin of success before Philly. His defenses in Seattle and Indy were middle of the pack but Reid when an Offensive assistant in GB noticed JJ when GB played Indy and said JJs scheme just gave them fits and if Reid ever became a head coach he wanted to hire JJ as his DC.

Was really a match made in heaven as those two had a lot of success together and once JJ was gone ☹️ the eagles under Reid weren't the same.

I was actually excited about Gannon as DC and his multi faceted multi look D, Zimmerman had been a top DC for years then with Minnesota as head coach had some tough Ds as well and Zimmerman also had a lot more talent especially at LB where Gannon has a whole lot of nothin.

I've been disappointed with Gannon his scheme has been Uber vanilla.

JJ had a reputation as a heavy blitzer and really he didn't blitz an offense until they crossed mid field then he unleashed the dogs, doesn't seem like Gannon will blitz until offenses are in the red zone in the 4th quarter, his zone defense make Schwartz Defenses look eccentric and Schwartz dropped 7 every down sometime switching it up by dropping all 7 in a picket fence formation🤷‍♂️

Hopefully Gannon can get some more horses to ride with and if he does and the D still looks awful and vanilla then it might be time to bring back Juan😉

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Had high hopes for macho after reading spads hype pieces about how versatile he was as he could play slot and safety and return kicks, it was almost as hyped as the articles Dave would always write about whatever new RB was the flavor if the weak lining up next to westbrook.

Just imagine tony hunt next to Westbrook 😒

Just imagine Ryan moats in the same backfield as westtbrook👎

Just imagine Lorenzo Booker next to Westbrook🥱

Just imagine Kyle Eckel lined up next to Westbrook 🤔

Just imagine Leonard Weaver ...☹️

Was it Tony Hunt who had that big run td in preseason and the old tate collectively orgasmed..... good times..

Lorenzo Booker. Lol. A fart could tackle him for a loss.

17 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I thought the big knock was the lockerroom full of defensive players who wouldn’t listen to him.

I remember people constantly ripping his "shotgun blitz” because they didn’t find it complicated. He was only given one year. Didn’t even get a chance to develop. 

21 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Was it Tony Hunt who had that big run td in preseason and the old tate collectively orgasmed..... good times..

Lorenzo Booker. Lol. A fart could tackle him for a loss.

Yup, I remember that tony hunt pre season. Game, Spads was like oh Reid has a pony package with Westbrook and hunt in the backfield at the same time... defense beware!

Turns out Spads was right for once as Hunt was quickly switched to FB where he was equally as useless.

Yeah booker, the pre season hype about the two back RB sets and booker's ability to catch the ball, I think Pumphrey broke more tackles and my 9 year old is bigger than Pumphrey...

36 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I thought the big knock was the lockerroom full of defensive players who wouldn’t listen to him.

I think Asante Samuel called him Opie...

 

8 hours ago, Utebird said:

Yup and despite the cancer that was Washburn Castillo still finished statistically with better defense than McDermott and bowels whom both had same players, which is a testament to him as a coach and person.

Andy should have fired himself instead.  

The only way this team will have any chance in a playoff game this year is if Gannon figures out how to formulate a first half game plan.  Crap QBs have shred this defense in first halves before Gannon adjusts in the 2nd half.  That won't fly in the playoffs against better QBs.

4 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

The only way this team will have any chance in a playoff game this year is if Gannon figures out how to formulate a first half game plan.  Crap QBs have shred this defense in first halves before Gannon adjusts in the 2nd half.  That won't fly in the playoffs against better QBs.

The problem is he brings no pressure at all until his defense has been beaten up for half the game. Then he’ll start to dial up some blitzes and stunts, then suddenly the D starts to look better. It’s almost like he should be bringing the pressure right from the first snap… what a concept.