17 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Maybe I’m wrong, but I just don’t see Howie going obsessive over getting a quarterback. Yes we know his love for Wilson, but I highly doubt he’s giving up 2-3 first round picks to get him. That’s not the winning the deal style Howie is used to. Now we have seen him jump to the top of the first round to go after a quarterback who he believed in and that was with them having Bradford on the roster. However Bradford was not an Eagles pick. He was a Chip Kelly trade piece. So there is the dilemma here. How much are the Eagles into developing Hurts verses having to develop another rookie basically the same age as Hurts? There in lies the issue. I don’t think Howie is a fool. He believes he’s the smartest guy in the room so one thing I will give Howie credit for. He isn’t going to make a bad or compulsive trade. 

From your lips to God’s ears (or more to the voices in Howie’s head).  

Fun fact, he's another WR the Eagles could've drafted. They took Jordan Matthews instead. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Fun fact, he's another WR the Eagles could've drafted. They took Jordan Matthews instead. 

A history probably going even farther back than Freddie Mitchell over Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson. 

19 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

A history probably going even farther back than Freddie Mitchell over Reggie Wayne or Chad Johnson. 

LJ Smith over Witten. 

3 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

Assuming Davante Adams gets franchise-tagged (as is rumored) and Aaron Rodgers leaves Green Bay (because if he stays, no way Adams leaves), would you try to pry Adams away from GB by signing him and having to give up 2 first rounds picks?  We'd still have a "normal" draft haul after a move like this and obviously Adams is a stud.  But, is he worth that price for this team for next season? 

No

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

LJ Smith over Witten. 

Funny how people relish pointing out the mistakes, but usually gloss over the hits.  Brian Westbrook was a steal in the 3d round.  When's the last time someone on TATE brought that up?  Reading these remarks here, you'd think the Eagles were on par with the Lions all these years.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Fun fact, he's another WR the Eagles could've drafted. They took Jordan Matthews instead. 

I'm reminded every time I watch GB play ... I really liked Adams that year and was hoping we'd take him (although I never imagined he'd become the star he is now).  I also liked Robinson and Cooks from that class.  A few that I wasn't very keen on (right or wrong) were OBJ, Evans, Benjamin, Lee, and Latimer.  

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Fun fact, he's another WR the Eagles could've drafted. They took Jordan Matthews instead. 

Who is Devonta Adams?

4 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

This might be categorized for "I want the Eagles to Get"...but I thought it would be an interesting topic to think about or debate.  If we mostly agree that adding a blue-chip free agent talent at WR will be high on Howie's free agency to-do list, what would you think about this?

Assuming Davante Adams gets franchise-tagged (as is rumored) and Aaron Rodgers leaves Green Bay (because if he stays, no way Adams leaves), would you try to pry Adams away from GB by signing him and having to give up 2 first rounds picks?  We'd still have a "normal" draft haul after a move like this and obviously Adams is a stud.  But, is he worth that price for this team for next season?  

The thought is definitely tantalizing to have him paired with Smith.  Our offense could be a juggernaut just by adding him.  And, draft picks are dart throws, right? 

I like this as a thread actually.   And I love Adams.   However I was a massive influx of talent for our defense so unless we can have Adams and that influx of defensive talent both?, I’m out on Adams.
 

Do not take my take on a dis to hurts because I’m his corner and have seen enough to gladly bring him back next year. And my main strategy for this Draft is firmly focused on defense.   And nobody is getting hurts from me for cheap.  So basically Green Bay would have to approach to me for a trade (which very well could happen depending on how this season ends)

adams, smith, geodirt(along with hurts mobility) would be a nightmare for even the bestdefenses in the league.  
 

would (2) 1sts this year, next years 1st, and hurts get us both Rodgers and adams?  Or not close?   We would still have a 1st and 10 other picks this year to address’s the defense plus Rodgers and adams.  That would be sick

side note.  While I put zero stock into draft grades,  Howie and co BETTER get an a+ Grade THIS YEAR

20 minutes ago, Procus said:

Funny how people relish pointing out the mistakes, but usually gloss over the hits.  Brian Westbrook was a steal in the 3d round.  When's the last time someone on TATE brought that up?  Reading these remarks here, you'd think the Eagles were on par with the Lions all these years.

Every team has hits & misses. This was more a trivia type thing about receivers they took over a much better one.

16 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Who is Devonta Adams?

A receiver for the Green Bay Packers.

And the subject of the OP. It's understandable if you didn't read it. 

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

A receiver for the Green Bay Packers.

And the subject of the OP. It's understandable if you didn't read it. 

Crap. I forgot which thread I was in. 😂

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Crap. I forgot which thread I was in. 😂

Go cry in TATE. 

Oh, wait. 

For a run first team with a running QB,   instead of expensive WR,  how about expensive RB?

Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Taylor.    The Eagles should be looking along those lines.

I'm sure that if the Eagles want to throw a lot of 1st round picks at those teams, they could get one of those guys.    It would be a better idea to waste picks on a great RB for a team that has a great run blocking oline and runs a lot than it would to waste picks on a great WR.

I don't think they should waste picks on a great RB,  but if those are the 2 choices,  waste picks on WR and waste picks on RB,  I'd take waste picks on RB.

The Eagles started to win when they took Howard off the practice squad somewhere in the middle of the season.   I don't think Howard is great.  But a RB like him is clearly necessary for the Eagles run first offense to function.   And if Howard was really all that good, why was he on the practice squad for many weeks?   It's pretty clear that the Eagles need a big back like Howard (I'd keep Howard),  but it's also pretty clear that there are backs like Howard who are better than Howard.  So,  when talking about a need, a big RB like Howard who is better than Howard seems like an obvious need. 

The Eagles have a whole lot of RBs and WRs who are about 5'11 and 200 pounds.  There's like 5-10 of them, and the Eagles don't need anywhere near that many.   Maybe the Eagles can use Free Agency to get a WR who is similar to JJAW,  but better.  A bigger WR.   If JJAW is good at blocking, not so good at pass catching,  get one who is better across the board.    The Eagles have their great WR,  with Smith.  They have 2 super fast WRs with Reagor and Watkins.  The Eagles are pretty much full in that category of small, fast WRs.   I like Greg Ward and would want to keep him. 

The issue with a free agent WR is that with Godwin's and Gallup's ACL tears, the market has become a lot more thin and more expensive.   

A trade might work, but not for Adams.  If Wilson leaves Seattle and the franchise goes into rebound move, I have to wonder if they would look into moving Metcalf.  

58 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

For a run first team with a running QB,   instead of expensive WR,  how about expensive RB?

Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Taylor.    The Eagles should be looking along those lines.

I'm sure that if the Eagles want to throw a lot of 1st round picks at those teams, they could get one of those guys.    It would be a better idea to waste picks on a great RB for a team that has a great run blocking oline and runs a lot than it would to waste picks on a great WR.

I don't think they should waste picks on a great RB,  but if those are the 2 choices,  waste picks on WR and waste picks on RB,  I'd take waste picks on RB.

The Eagles started to win when they took Howard off the practice squad somewhere in the middle of the season.   I don't think Howard is great.  But a RB like him is clearly necessary for the Eagles run first offense to function.   And if Howard was really all that good, why was he on the practice squad for many weeks?   It's pretty clear that the Eagles need a big back like Howard (I'd keep Howard),  but it's also pretty clear that there are backs like Howard who are better than Howard.  So,  when talking about a need, a big RB like Howard who is better than Howard seems like an obvious need. 

The Eagles have a whole lot of RBs and WRs who are about 5'11 and 200 pounds.  There's like 5-10 of them, and the Eagles don't need anywhere near that many.   Maybe the Eagles can use Free Agency to get a WR who is similar to JJAW,  but better.  A bigger WR.   If JJAW is good at blocking, not so good at pass catching,  get one who is better across the board.    The Eagles have their great WR,  with Smith.  They have 2 super fast WRs with Reagor and Watkins.  The Eagles are pretty much full in that category of small, fast WRs.   I like Greg Ward and would want to keep him. 

It's been proven time and time again that running backs are a dangerous investment. They take so much punishment, that they are rarely durable and can rarely stay healthy/sustain performance year in year out. And plus we had the best running game in the league by a long way with players (Sanders apart) who wouldn't make a lot of other rosters. We don't need an elite running back.

I'm keen for drafting a running back. Anywhere from round 2-4 (and then potentially add a late round one).

I agree Adams/a first rounder is a bad use of our resources. But we do need to upgrade at WR. Smith is very good, but Reagor unfortunately looks like a bust and Watkins looks best suited to WR3. Hopefully we find a decent number 2 in free agency.

11 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s my point. The perception is that Howie is always making moves like this when he’s never made a move like this. 

Howie is a wheeler and dealer when it comes to moving around the draft to get his guys just right before he thinks they will be picked. He’s all about value picking - not overpaying but willing to pay for the guys he wants at their perceived value spot.

2 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Howie is a wheeler and dealer when it comes to moving around the draft to get his guys just right before he thinks they will be picked. He’s all about value picking - not overpaying but willing to pay for the guys he wants at their perceived value spot.

Exactly. Howie is "the winner of the deal” guy, and not the "go for broke and push the chips all in” guy. He’s more likely to bet on his own players than to overpay for someone else’s players. 

Bottom line no I wouldn't do that. I'm not sure I'd give up just 1 first for a WR. Adams is a star no doubt but he'd come with a big contract too. I'd rather they go after one of the FA guys that likely hits the market. I don't think they need a top tier WR because I think that's going to be Smith. 

9 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

For a run first team with a running QB,   instead of expensive WR,  how about expensive RB?

Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Taylor.    The Eagles should be looking along those lines.

I'm sure that if the Eagles want to throw a lot of 1st round picks at those teams, they could get one of those guys.    It would be a better idea to waste picks on a great RB for a team that has a great run blocking oline and runs a lot than it would to waste picks on a great WR.

I don't think they should waste picks on a great RB,  but if those are the 2 choices,  waste picks on WR and waste picks on RB,  I'd take waste picks on RB.

The Eagles started to win when they took Howard off the practice squad somewhere in the middle of the season.   I don't think Howard is great.  But a RB like him is clearly necessary for the Eagles run first offense to function.   And if Howard was really all that good, why was he on the practice squad for many weeks?   It's pretty clear that the Eagles need a big back like Howard (I'd keep Howard),  but it's also pretty clear that there are backs like Howard who are better than Howard.  So,  when talking about a need, a big RB like Howard who is better than Howard seems like an obvious need. 

The Eagles have a whole lot of RBs and WRs who are about 5'11 and 200 pounds.  There's like 5-10 of them, and the Eagles don't need anywhere near that many.   Maybe the Eagles can use Free Agency to get a WR who is similar to JJAW,  but better.  A bigger WR.   If JJAW is good at blocking, not so good at pass catching,  get one who is better across the board.    The Eagles have their great WR,  with Smith.  They have 2 super fast WRs with Reagor and Watkins.  The Eagles are pretty much full in that category of small, fast WRs.   I like Greg Ward and would want to keep him. 

The Eagles should not be looking to trade for anyone else’s worn down running back especially not for any of their picks above the 4th round. I’d rather they draft their own back than trade for one. 

If we had a really good defense already & a QB who is a strong passer, and we’re on the verge of a Super Bowl contention, then sure.

 

But we have none of that, so no. Use the 3 first round picks to give this team some young talent on rookie deals please

19 hours ago, time2rock said:

Still a no for me.  Another thing to take into consideration is age ... Adams turns 30 this year.  I would never entertain the thought of giving up so much for a player likely to start declining in a year or 2 (or 3).  I think the smart strategy is to try to move one of those picks to acquire a 2023 1st and then roll the dice on a couple of players with the other 2 and hope for the best.  

I've seen other teams give up a lot for a WR and it rarely makes a difference.  

He'll turn 30 at the end of this year, he just turned 29

18 hours ago, SB52 said:

One of the only positions the Eagles DON’T need is WR. What are you talking about?

(That being said, if a WR like Olave is clearly "Best Player on the Board” you unfortunately have to consider him.)

Uhh...huh?  Do you watch the Eagles?   Smith is the only WR they have.  Reagor? Bust.  Watkins? Role player.  Ward/JJAW?  Come on. 

19 hours ago, Utebird said:

If hurts skill set was being able to consistently read defenses and throw the ball then yeah I agree.

He hasn't shown to have that skill set 

Id argue that yeah the eagles would be better at WR and having a guy like Adams would possibly help hurts, and to what end?

Does the team get better? Does adding a top WR to an offense that is built around running the ball really help much?

If anything it's a poor use of resources as one is pouring more resources into a position that isn't highly utilized while taking away from resources that could be used on other positions of greater need like Defense 

I do agree with you.  I'm playing devil's advocate though...

We could use those resources on defense...and again, draft picks are crap shoots....those picks could easily bust or don't make much of an impact, whereas Adams is a sure thing and his presence could lift Hurts and the offense from middling to great.

Remember what trading for T.O did for the offense?  Not saying this is the same situation...just pointing out what a difference-making WR did for us before.  Hell, landing Alshon in FA made a big difference for us as well.

13 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

For a run first team with a running QB,   instead of expensive WR,  how about expensive RB?

Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Taylor.    The Eagles should be looking along those lines.

I'm sure that if the Eagles want to throw a lot of 1st round picks at those teams, they could get one of those guys.    It would be a better idea to waste picks on a great RB for a team that has a great run blocking oline and runs a lot than it would to waste picks on a great WR.

I don't think they should waste picks on a great RB,  but if those are the 2 choices,  waste picks on WR and waste picks on RB,  I'd take waste picks on RB.

The Eagles started to win when they took Howard off the practice squad somewhere in the middle of the season.   I don't think Howard is great.  But a RB like him is clearly necessary for the Eagles run first offense to function.   And if Howard was really all that good, why was he on the practice squad for many weeks?   It's pretty clear that the Eagles need a big back like Howard (I'd keep Howard),  but it's also pretty clear that there are backs like Howard who are better than Howard.  So,  when talking about a need, a big RB like Howard who is better than Howard seems like an obvious need. 

The Eagles have a whole lot of RBs and WRs who are about 5'11 and 200 pounds.  There's like 5-10 of them, and the Eagles don't need anywhere near that many.   Maybe the Eagles can use Free Agency to get a WR who is similar to JJAW,  but better.  A bigger WR.   If JJAW is good at blocking, not so good at pass catching,  get one who is better across the board.    The Eagles have their great WR,  with Smith.  They have 2 super fast WRs with Reagor and Watkins.  The Eagles are pretty much full in that category of small, fast WRs.   I like Greg Ward and would want to keep him. 

Can't agree with you there.  I'm firmly in the "you can find a RB in anywhere and plug him in" camp.  Sure, there are some great RBs...but no way would I ever give up any meaningful resources for one.  There are just too many examples of finding solid RBs in mid-late rounds in drafts and UDFAs.  The value just isn't there.

On the other hand, good WRs are much harder to find.