17 hours ago, NOTW said:

Fun fact, he's another WR the Eagles could've drafted. They took Jordan Matthews instead. 

Would he have become Davante Adams then?

The first couple of years he was a secondary player and rode the bench a lot before breaking out in year 3. It helps to become a great player when you have great players in front of you. Adams had Cobb and Nelson in front of him and Rodgers as his QB. This has been my argument about Metcalf from day 1. In Seattle he has been great, but if he was drafted here he might have had more yards then JJAW but would not even be close to the player that he is.

That is why it is important that they get a veteran WR into the mix. They should have had one this year, whether it was Marvin Jones, AJ Green or Emmanuel Sanders, just someone to help the young QB and WRs out.

18 hours ago, time2rock said:

I most certainly agree WR is still a need and am on record in numerous threads stating such and my preference to do so with a vet FA, not with another 1st rd draft pick (and definitely not with trading multiple 1s for a 30 year old).  

IMHO, Allen Robinson & Mike Williams should be the top 2 names on Howie's FA board.  Spend the picks on young defense.

13 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

For a run first team with a running QB,   instead of expensive WR,  how about expensive RB?

Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Taylor.    The Eagles should be looking along those lines.

I'm sure that if the Eagles want to throw a lot of 1st round picks at those teams, they could get one of those guys.    It would be a better idea to waste picks on a great RB for a team that has a great run blocking oline and runs a lot than it would to waste picks on a great WR.

I don't think they should waste picks on a great RB,  but if those are the 2 choices,  waste picks on WR and waste picks on RB,  I'd take waste picks on RB.

The Eagles started to win when they took Howard off the practice squad somewhere in the middle of the season.   I don't think Howard is great.  But a RB like him is clearly necessary for the Eagles run first offense to function.   And if Howard was really all that good, why was he on the practice squad for many weeks?   It's pretty clear that the Eagles need a big back like Howard (I'd keep Howard),  but it's also pretty clear that there are backs like Howard who are better than Howard.  So,  when talking about a need, a big RB like Howard who is better than Howard seems like an obvious need. 

The Eagles have a whole lot of RBs and WRs who are about 5'11 and 200 pounds.  There's like 5-10 of them, and the Eagles don't need anywhere near that many.   Maybe the Eagles can use Free Agency to get a WR who is similar to JJAW,  but better.  A bigger WR.   If JJAW is good at blocking, not so good at pass catching,  get one who is better across the board.    The Eagles have their great WR,  with Smith.  They have 2 super fast WRs with Reagor and Watkins.  The Eagles are pretty much full in that category of small, fast WRs.   I like Greg Ward and would want to keep him. 

I'll take a pass on an expensive running back.  When they're expensive free agents, they usually have too much tread on the tires.  If I'm signing a high mileage RB, I'd rather do so in May or June after the initial round of massive spending is completed.  LaGarrette Blount is a perfect example. 

Better yet, get one in the draft - and do not waste a first round pick on a RB when your OL opens massive holes.

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

He'll turn 30 at the end of this year, he just turned 29

Well I wasn't wrong ... he turns 30 this year (in December).  haha

Anyway, that doesn't change my POV.  

 

39 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

IMHO, Allen Robinson & Mike Williams should be the top 2 names on Howie's FA board.  Spend the picks on young defense.

I've been a big fan of Robinson since he was drafted (same year we took JMat who was drafted ahead of ARob ).  I think he is much more likely to hit the market than Williams, but we shall see.  

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I've been a big fan of Robinson since he was drafted (same year we took JMat who was drafted ahead of ARob ).  I think he is much more likely to hit the market than Williams, but we shall see.  

Obviously you want Robinson over Williams, but Williams should be there as the backup option.  Feeling is the Chargers already have their big money WR in Allen and a bunch of budding superstars they need to pay (Bosa/ekeler/Derwin james before they even think about Herbert!).  Williams is a good player but ultimately a high end #2 who is going to be overpaid.  He's a solid fit on a 2-3 yr deal for Philly who is spending peanuts on skill players right now and needs exactly what he does: big bodied, big play complementary guy.

2 hours ago, time2rock said:

I've been a big fan of Robinson since he was drafted (same year we took JMat who was drafted ahead of ARob ).  I think he is much more likely to hit the market than Williams, but we shall see.  

I agree with this.  I loved ARob coming out of college and think he will be both the most likely to hit FA and will be Howie's primary target.  Mike Williams, if he makes it to FA, will be a target too (maybe even over ARob due to Sirianni connection).  Chris Godwin, if he makes it to FA, will be a wildcard.  I wouldn't mind any of these 3.  

4 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I agree with this.  I loved ARob coming out of college and think he will be both the most likely to hit FA and will be Howie's primary target.  Mike Williams, if he makes it to FA, will be a target too (maybe even over ARob due to Sirianni connection).  Chris Godwin, if he makes it to FA, will be a wildcard.  I wouldn't mind any of these 3.  

That's a good point ... I hadn't thought of that.  I suppose it all depends on what kind of impression Williams made on Sirianni.  Early in his career I seem to recall there were reports (rumors) that he wasn't giving 100% effort.  If that left a bad taste in Siri's mouth that could work against him being a potential target here.  Anyway, will most definitely be a fun offseason ahead to follow.  Fasten your seat belts!  

25 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

I agree with this.  I loved ARob coming out of college and think he will be both the most likely to hit FA and will be Howie's primary target.  Mike Williams, if he makes it to FA, will be a target too (maybe even over ARob due to Sirianni connection).  Chris Godwin, if he makes it to FA, will be a wildcard.  I wouldn't mind any of these 3.  

You sure don't think the Bucs will let Godwin walk, but maybe he just wants to?  26 yr old knows Coach & QB are headed to the sunset, Bucs aren't exactly some awesome organization known for rebuilds.  Dude can make 22m/yr anywhere he wants to.

23 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

You sure don't think the Bucs will let Godwin walk, but maybe he just wants to?  26 yr old knows Coach & QB are headed to the sunset, Bucs aren't exactly some awesome organization known for rebuilds.  Dude can make 22m/yr anywhere he wants to.

Hard to say...he'll be coming off ACL tear. If the Bucs fall short of the SB this year and Brady/Arians gives it a go next year, they could either F-tag him or convince him to come back on a 1-year deal (or multi-year, who knows).  The "Brady effect" can't be discounted on a player's desire to win a championship.

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

You sure don't think the Bucs will let Godwin walk, but maybe he just wants to?  26 yr old knows Coach & QB are headed to the sunset, Bucs aren't exactly some awesome organization known for rebuilds.  Dude can make 22m/yr anywhere he wants to.

 

52 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

Hard to say...he'll be coming off ACL tear. If the Bucs fall short of the SB this year and Brady/Arians gives it a go next year, they could either F-tag him or convince him to come back on a 1-year deal (or multi-year, who knows).  The "Brady effect" can't be discounted on a player's desire to win a championship.

My guess is, he'll end up signing a 1 year deal to remain in TB.  Guessing he won't get the same level of offer he would have had he not suffered the torn ACL, so play under a 1 year deal and prove he is back to 100% hoping to cash in the following offseason.  Have to think that injury will keep him off the field for likely half of 2022 (minimally).  

17 minutes ago, time2rock said:

 

My guess is, he'll end up signing a 1 year deal to remain in TB.  Guessing he won't get the same level of offer he would have had he not suffered the torn ACL, so play under a 1 year deal and prove he is back to 100% hoping to cash in the following offseason.  Have to think that injury will keep him off the field for likely half of 2022 (minimally).  

One thing I forgot that I just remembered (and had to search real quick)....Godwin was franchise tagged this year.  So, to do that again this upcoming year, the Bucs would have to pay him even more.  If they don't work out a deal, it'll be interesting if he becomes available (I have to doubt they'd tag him twice).  

Also, ARob played on the tag this year too so he will almost assuredly be available.

Davante would be 30 by the end of next season, and he would most likely stunt Smith’s growth as our main guy. Paying 2 1sts for a receiver like that I don’t think is ever worth it, unless he’s an all time guy.

Plus, I’m wary of WRs who come out of no where and become prolific with HoF QBs. I don’t know if he’ll be THAT Davante without ARod.

It is not a smart Idea to give up multiple picks, to bring in  one player, to the team that needs to upgrade talent across entire roster..starting with Defense. 

Trade 2 first round picks for DK Metcalf. There problem solved.

We really need 2 great DE's that can come off the edge and wreck the QB.  Would improve our defense immensely.  Shaq Barrett-type players.  

If Howie doesn’t trade down to try and load up for the 2023 draft then what I’d like to see him do is go all in on the defensive side of the ball. Just keep picking as many players as possible while hoping to find some guys who can and will stick. The defense needs a serious influx of young talent at all three levels. 

22 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

It is not a smart Idea to give up multiple picks, to bring in  one player, to the team that needs to upgrade talent across entire roster..starting with Defense. 

What?  Where did you come up with that goofy idea?!?  Snyder was using that system for the first 20 years he ran...I mean, owned that team.  You're telling me that it never worked?

The LA Rams are in the midst of using that theory too....are you telling me that it's not working for them either? 

 

Team win by the draft, get lucky on a few players, and THEN you fill the gaps with free agents.  It doesn't work the other way around.  (Who still has their Nnamdi jersey?)

On 1/4/2022 at 11:22 AM, EaglesAddict said:

This might be categorized for "I want the Eagles to Get"...but I thought it would be an interesting topic to think about or debate.  If we mostly agree that adding a blue-chip free agent talent at WR will be high on Howie's free agency to-do list, what would you think about this?

Assuming Davante Adams gets franchise-tagged (as is rumored) and Aaron Rodgers leaves Green Bay (because if he stays, no way Adams leaves), would you try to pry Adams away from GB by signing him and having to give up 2 first rounds picks?  We'd still have a "normal" draft haul after a move like this and obviously Adams is a stud.  But, is he worth that price for this team for next season?  

The thought is definitely tantalizing to have him paired with Smith.  Our offense could be a juggernaut just by adding him.  And, draft picks are dart throws, right? 

I’d rather see them build the defense and continue to improve on what they are on offense, a running team. 

Let’s continue building the OLine and use the other picks to improve the D.

I would say the same thing about the Ravens if you said they should acquire Adams.

On 1/5/2022 at 10:36 AM, time2rock said:

That's a good point ... I hadn't thought of that.  I suppose it all depends on what kind of impression Williams made on Sirianni.  Early in his career I seem to recall there were reports (rumors) that he wasn't giving 100% effort.  If that left a bad taste in Siri's mouth that could work against him being a potential target here.  Anyway, will most definitely be a fun offseason ahead to follow.  Fasten your seat belts!  

Ideally,  Mike Williams like Siri and Shane and Siri and Shane like Mike Williams, and Mike Williams is enthusiastic to come to Philly.   It seems simply,  Mike Williams would take snaps from JJAW and would play X, Split End.  That's how it seems to me.  Mike Williams can make contested catches downfield I would assume.  And Smith.  Williams and Smith,  those are 2 top WRs, and the Eagles won't have to do anything more about it that year.  1 new player, one big upgrade at the WR position.  I don't think the Eagles need another 6'0 200 pound WR.  The Eagles have a lot of WR/RBs in that general size range. 

6 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

I’d rather see them build the defense and continue to improve on what they are on offense, a running team. 

Let’s continue building the OLine and use the other picks to improve the D.

I would say the same thing about the Ravens if you said they should acquire Adams.

No doubt that if I had my way, we'd spend all 3 first round picks on defense.  That would be my top choice (the only caveat being that if Kelce retires and we have a chance to take Tyler Linderbaum, I'd snatch him up...hell, I might do that even if Kelce doesn't retire).

That said, I do think the idea of adding a talent like Adams is intriguing but I don't think Howie would actually do it (give up 2 firsts for Adams).  We might like the Eagles being a running team right now, but we have to remember that's more out of necessity rather than what they want to do.  You have to have a good passing attack to be a legitimate contender in this league.

Id rather them go after someone like Christian Kirk. He will be a UFA..  No trade needed, just be the highest bidder. Maybe 12m per? 25 year old stud. 

4 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

No doubt that if I had my way, we'd spend all 3 first round picks on defense.  That would be my top choice (the only caveat being that if Kelce retires and we have a chance to take Tyler Linderbaum, I'd snatch him up...hell, I might do that even if Kelce doesn't retire).

That said, I do think the idea of adding a talent like Adams is intriguing but I don't think Howie would actually do it (give up 2 firsts for Adams).  We might like the Eagles being a running team right now, but we have to remember that's more out of necessity rather than what they want to do.  You have to have a good passing attack to be a legitimate contender in this league.

Linderbaum would be perfect but he’s looking top 10 at this point. I’d be surprised to see a center go that high but who knows. 

24 minutes ago, What The F said:

Id rather them go after someone like Christian Kirk. He will be a UFA..  No trade needed, just be the highest bidder. Maybe 12m per? 25 year old stud. 

Actually, Kirk would be a decent addition.  I don't view him as a "stud", but certainly a good addition.  

3 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

Linderbaum would be perfect but he’s looking top 10 at this point. I’d be surprised to see a center go that high but who knows. 

I think there's a decent chance he'd be there with our pick from Miami, especially if Miami loses this week which would guarantee that pick would be no lower than #14.  But if there is a DL Howie covets sitting there, he'd take the DL.