Unrest in Kazakhstan

[Procus]

Word is that things are heating up in Kazakhstan, and that protestors took over the airport.  A Russian led bloc has been invited in to serve as "peacekeepers."  Are we witnessing the beginning of the rebirth of the Soviet Union?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/world/europe/kazakhstan-protests-gas-prices.html

Russia-Allied Forces to Intervene as Unrest Sweeps Kazakhstan

The Kazakh president requested the peacekeeping troops as an uprising, sparked by a gas price increase in the resource-rich Central Asian nation, headed toward a fifth day.

[Paul852]

Is Borat ok?

[Procus]

38 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Is Borat ok?

You're a regular Henny Youngman

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

Is Borat ok?

That is priority 1

[toolg]

This looks like a country preparing for war, and the government (what's left of it) has aligned themselves with Russia.

Let this be caution, this is what happens when you embrace authoritarianism.

[Toastrel]

We should definitely get involved as heavily as possible.

If we can make a buck.

[Boogyman]

On 1/5/2022 at 11:03 PM, Toastrel said:

We should definitely get involved as heavily as possible.

If we can make a buck.

Do they have oil? Materials for batteries?

[DaEagles4Life]

Putin doesn't what this civil unrest to infiltrate Russia so he making sure this doesn't get out of hand. 

[Abracadabra]

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"It would seem to me that the Kazakh authorities and government certainly have the capacity to deal appropriately with protests to do so in a way that respects the rights of protesters while maintaining law and order,” he said. "So it’s not clear why they feel the need for any outside assistance. So we’re trying to learn more about it.”

18 police were killed, one apparently beheaded, dozens of government buildings burned down and Blinkin is concerned about the rights of "protestors."

As for Russia being brought in, if you listen to the rhetoric coming from the left about the Jan. 6th protests, the U.S. was on the brink of collapse and might have needed Canada to save them.

[Procus]

There's a collective security treaty in which Kazakhastan, Russian, Belarus, Armenia among others are parties to.  Whether or not this unrest was instigated by unknown forces to trigger implementation of the treaty is unknown at this stage.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/int/csto.htm

[Toastrel]

Trump spoke to Tokayev and assures us that the government troops are HUGGING protesters, not shooting them.

[Toastrel]

On 1/8/2022 at 12:31 PM, Abracadabra said:

18 police were killed, one apparently beheaded, dozens of government buildings burned down and Blinkin is concerned about the rights of "protestors."

As for Russia being brought in, if you listen to the rhetoric coming from the left about the Jan. 6th protests, the U.S. was on the brink of collapse and might have needed Canada to save them.

That's just a silly straw and feces man you make. The insurrectionists were morons.

A bunch of idiots with bear mace and stupid flags who failed miserably. Just because they people your side sent were lowlife POS with no clue, doesn't mean it makes no difference.

[Boogyman]

On 1/8/2022 at 12:31 PM, Abracadabra said:

18 police were killed, one apparently beheaded, dozens of government buildings burned down and Blinkin is concerned about the rights of "protestors."

As for Russia being brought in, if you listen to the rhetoric coming from the left about the Jan. 6th protests, the U.S. was on the brink of collapse and might have needed Canada to save them.

Again, you retards fail to realize the competency of the criminal is irrelevant when charging somebody for a crime.

[Gannan]

On 1/5/2022 at 8:10 PM, Procus said:

Are we witnessing the beginning of the rebirth of the Soviet Union?

This has been Putin's plan all along. 

[Dave Moss]

11 minutes ago, Gannan said:

This has been Putin's plan all along. 

Is it?  I think he just wants to build Russia back up as a superpower that controls that region of the world.  I also think he sees NATO as a threat, whether it really is or not.

[Gannan]

2 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Is it?  I think he just wants to build Russia back up as a superpower that controls that region of the world.  I also think he sees NATO as a threat, whether it really is or not.

He's a KGB hardliner who thought the union should have been persevered. If you follow his actions and rhetoric, he wants the former soviet republics either puppeted or flat out annexed. 

[Procus]

2 hours ago, Gannan said:

He's a KGB hardliner who thought the union should have been persevered. If you follow his actions and rhetoric, he wants the former soviet republics either puppeted or flat out annexed. 

I think that's a fair statement - but I don't think he's a communist at this stage.

[Gannan]

3 minutes ago, Procus said:

I think that's a fair statement - but I don't think he's a communist at this stage.

No, but the goals are the same. There's actually a lot of similarity between communism and fascism. They are both forms of collectivism that requires ultimate allegiance to the state, and the expansion of the state. I mentioned this in another thread but we are living in frightening times where the ideological differences between the 2 are becoming less of a factor. We are seeing fascist countries form alliances with communist countries. 

[Procus]

7 minutes ago, Gannan said:

No, but the goals are the same. There's actually a lot of similarity between communism and fascism. They are both forms of collectivism that requires ultimate allegiance to the state, and the expansion of the state. I mentioned this in another thread but we are living in frightening times where the ideological differences between the 2 are becoming less of a factor. We are seeing fascist countries form alliances with communist countries. 

Totalitarianism.  It was ingrained in Russian history long before the October Revolution.

IMO - Socialism and communism generally suck as economic models.  But they are particularly onerous when combined with an iron fist - as are other systems.

[mayanh8]

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32066222

Posted this before. It's a potentially good window into how Putin operates. If you were to armchair psycho the guy based on his experiences as a young KGB agent, you might start to understand what Putin is up to.

[Toastrel]

Bush looked into Putin's soul, and Trump wants to have his children. The Russians are our friends.

[Abracadabra]

7 hours ago, Boogyman said:

Again, you retards fail to realize the competency of the criminal is irrelevant when charging somebody for a crime.

LOL! So, the "insurrectionists" behaved nothing like insurrectionists because they lacked the qualifications for insurrection? They had every intention of killing loads of people, burning down government buildings and seizing control of the government, they just didn't know they might need organization, training, weapons and skill to pull it off? The crime existed only in their heads?

Sounds like a thought crime. 

 

 

[Abracadabra]

On 1/5/2022 at 8:10 PM, Procus said:

Word is that things are heating up in Kazakhstan, and that protestors took over the airport.  A Russian led bloc has been invited in to serve as "peacekeepers."  Are we witnessing the beginning of the rebirth of the Soviet Union?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/world/europe/kazakhstan-protests-gas-prices.html

Russia-Allied Forces to Intervene as Unrest Sweeps Kazakhstan

The Kazakh president requested the peacekeeping troops as an uprising, sparked by a gas price increase in the resource-rich Central Asian nation, headed toward a fifth day.

Nope. Another western backed regime change operation is being beat back.

The U.S. is threatening to bring NATO right up to Russia's border. This, after promising not to expand NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union. How would we react is the situation were reversed? Russia's got nowhere to retreat.

[Procus]

1 minute ago, Abracadabra said:

Nope. Another western backed regime change operation is being beat back.

The U.S. is threatening to bring NATO right up to Russia's border. This, after promising not to expand NATO after the collapse of the Soviet Union. How would we react is the situation were reversed? Russia's got nowhere to retreat.

IIRC, Putin began to turn after the Libya fiasco in 2011.  He initially didn't oppose NATO action in Libya, but after seeing what happened in the aftermath, began to change his tune.

[Boogyman]

20 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

LOL! So, the "insurrectionists" behaved nothing like insurrectionists because they lacked the qualifications for insurrection? They had every intention of killing loads of people, burning down government buildings and seizing control of the government, they just didn't know they might need organization, training, weapons and skill to pull it off? The crime existed only in their heads?

Sounds like a thought crime. 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Boogyman said:

Again, you retards fail to realize the competency of the criminal is irrelevant when charging somebody for a crime.

How successful they were is irrelevant.