27 minutes ago, Jordan629 said:

Exactly. And their smugness has lead them to framing this for the last 8 years like they did know. 

Not only that I can tell you from U of a coaches that the Eagles really love Nick Foles a lot too. They sent Doug to work him out. And they talked to him on a ton of occasions leading up to the draft (Actually won the Vick signed football on eagles live due to the information). One of the reasons why they didn’t move up in the third round to go get Russell Wilson was because they thought either Wilson or foles would fall to their third round pick and they would take either one of them as developmental quarterbacks. They created the narrative they badly wanted Wilson after Wilson became what he did. They were happy to get foles or Wilson.  

this is the same organization that tried to sell the idea of Kevin kolb and then a game into 2010 went with Vick. No offense the eagles were fortunate to have signed Vick and Vick responded to Reid’s coaching and AZ saved them giving up what they did. Cause kolb outside of a game or two couldn’t stay healthy and when he did wasn’t that good  

 

3 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

Atlanta pretty much said they weren't going to make a deal. It takes two teams to make a trade.

49ers were begging other teams for a trade. We could have moved up..if We thought that Lamb was worth a 14th Pick. Atlanta at 16 was asking for the first and the second..According to Roseman..and Roseman thought that they were asking too much. (Who really knows what was asked???) Atlanta did not say NO!!  But Roseman did not want to pay the price. If Reagor turns out to be a stellar player then Roseman was right. But if Lamb will be a next Julio Jones and Reagor is just an above average...Then being cheap does not pay.

 

Stay thirsty for Wilson my friends! 

I guess ****ing about things from 2012 gets me memes that haven’t been funny since 2012. 

1 hour ago, Traveler Vic said:

49ers were begging other teams for a trade. We could have moved up..if We thought that Lamb was worth a 14th Pick. Atlanta at 16 was asking for the first and the second..According to Roseman..and Roseman thought that they were asking too much. (Who really knows what was asked???) Atlanta did not say NO!!  But Roseman did not want to pay the price. If Reagor turns out to be a stellar player then Roseman was right. But if Lamb will be a next Julio Jones and Reagor is just an above average...Then being cheap does not pay.

Thing is, Atlanta probably did ask a lot. They are our conference rivals after all. They’re not going to just hand over the pick we want to use to select our future WR1. 

Am I doing this right?

 

2 hours ago, Traveler Vic said:

49ers were begging other teams for a trade. We could have moved up..if We thought that Lamb was worth a 14th Pick. Atlanta at 16 was asking for the first and the second..According to Roseman..and Roseman thought that they were asking too much. (Who really knows what was asked???) Atlanta did not say NO!!  But Roseman did not want to pay the price. If Reagor turns out to be a stellar player then Roseman was right. But if Lamb will be a next Julio Jones and Reagor is just an above average...Then being cheap does not pay.

Disagree. The niners hinted they didn’t want to move back too far once kinlaw fell to 13/14. At that point they basically said they didn’t want to move far enough back where they couldn’t get him. Meaning if they moved past 16 there was a chance dallas, Jaguars would snatch kinlaw before pick 21. Also Roseman said future picks when talking about a trade up. Meaning not just this year but potentially picks this year and in 2021. 

again atlanta didn’t want to move back unless you grossly overpaid. They didn’t want to lose Aj terrell who in all likelihood goes to the raiders at 19 because mike mayock is obsessed with Clemson players and wanted to take a corner at 19 hence they overdrafted the OSU kid in that spot. 

easy to say it was just a 1st and 2nd. It might have actually been even more as Atlanta was dead set on taking terrell add on they knew you had to leapfrog Dallas for him. 

You know your drafting history is bad when you are patting yourself on the back for liking successful players that you didn’t like enough to draft yourself years ago.

12 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Honestly, I'm glad things worked out how they did. Do we win a Super Bowl with Wilson? I don't know. I think Andy sticks around for a longer period and possibly is still with us, if we take Wilson in 2012.

I'm satisfied with how things worked out though.

Same thoughts here.

5 hours ago, toolg said:

It seemed to me like the Eagles were content with any of Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, or Kirk Cousins. They picked one in Round 3, then perhaps they would have taken another one if he dropped to their pick in Round 4. Seahawks picked Wilson first at #75, the Eagles got Foles at #88, then the Redskins picked Cousins with the first pick of Round 4 #102.

Can you imagine instead if the Eagles took Wilson in Round 3, then Cousins in Round 4?

Does it save the Eagles from going 4-12 and AR losing his job? Probably not. What happens in the Chip Kelly era with those QBs?

I'm so glad we got Foles instead of Cousins. No way he wins Eagles Super Bowl LII. Someone on old EMB said he would take Cousins at $25M/year over Foles at $5.5M/year, saying if we get a bargain bin QB,  we'd get bargain bin results. LOL. Great times.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not only that I can tell you from U of a coaches that the Eagles really love Nick Foles a lot too. They sent Doug to work him out. And they talked to him on a ton of occasions leading up to the draft (Actually won the Vick signed football on eagles live due to the information). One of the reasons why they didn’t move up in the third round to go get Russell Wilson was because they thought either Wilson or foles would fall to their third round pick and they would take either one of them as developmental quarterbacks. They created the narrative they badly wanted Wilson after Wilson became what he did. They were happy to get foles or Wilson.  

this is the same organization that tried to sell the idea of Kevin kolb and then a game into 2010 went with Vick. No offense the eagles were fortunate to have signed Vick and Vick responded to Reid’s coaching and AZ saved them giving up what they did. Cause kolb outside of a game or two couldn’t stay healthy and when he did wasn’t that good  

I remember someone on old EMB saying Foles is like Kolb, and I laughed. What Foles showed in his rookie and 2013 showed me he is not like Kolb.

10 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Same thoughts here.

I'm so glad we got Foles instead of Cousins. No way he wins Eagles Super Bowl LII. Someone on old EMB said he would take Cousins at $25M/year over Foles at $5.5M/year, saying if we get a bargain bin QB,  we'd get bargain bin results. LOL. Great times.

I remember someone on old EMB saying Foles is like Kolb, and I laughed. What Foles showed in his rookie and 2013 showed me he is not like Kolb.

I don’t know who the hell said he was like kolb. I saw him get destroyed at Arizona for multiple seasons and just keep going and playing. Heck in 2014 he got blasted on a cheapshot by Chris baker and still finished the game. And the rumor was for weeks his shoulder was black and blue. I give foles a ton of credit he has gotten destroyed on some hits in his career that i was shocked he stayed in the game. Clowney when we faced the texans. The baker hit. 

not only that foles had a way better arm than kolb. Kolb was never ever considered a big arm or a first rounder. People forget foles before his last year at Arizona was projected as a first round pick. He went to ESPN studios for a day along with the 5 other projected first round QBs at the time. He fell cause he got beat the hell up behind a bad oline and was hot and cold that year due to young team at Arizona. 

6 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

Howie pretty much compared Hurts to Wilson.

If howie thinks hurts is Wilson then I expect Jamarcus Russell. 
 

that guy is horrible at talent evaluation 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Disagree. The niners hinted they didn’t want to move back too far once kinlaw fell to 13/14. At that point they basically said they didn’t want to move far enough back where they couldn’t get him. Meaning if they moved past 16 there was a chance dallas, Jaguars would snatch kinlaw before pick 21. Also Roseman said future picks when talking about a trade up. Meaning not just this year but potentially picks this year and in 2021. 

again atlanta didn’t want to move back unless you grossly overpaid. They didn’t want to lose Aj terrell who in all likelihood goes to the raiders at 19 because mike mayock is obsessed with Clemson players and wanted to take a corner at 19 hence they overdrafted the OSU kid in that spot. 

easy to say it was just a 1st and 2nd. It might have actually been even more as Atlanta was dead set on taking terrell add on they knew you had to leapfrog Dallas for him. 

Also it was reported the eagles liked jeudy more and obviously 2 other teams liked other receivers more then Lamb. Eagles wanted to get faster and more dynamic Reagor fits that description perfectly so does Jeudy more so then Lamb. Only reason people are even this bent out of shape over it is because he went to the cowboys. 

Let the cowboys have him they are screwing themselves by dumping so many resources into the wide receiver position. 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Also it was reported the eagles liked jeudy more and obviously 2 other teams liked other receivers more then Lamb. Eagles wanted to get faster and more dynamic Reagor fits that description perfectly so does Jeudy more so then Lamb. Only reason people are even this bent out of shape over it is because he went to the cowboys. 

Let the cowboys have him they are screwing themselves by dumping so many resources into the wide receiver position. 

Honestly I’m more pissed Dallas got him then we didn’t to be honest. I tend to think he was still the BPA at 17. If i were Dallas I’d have done the same. It basically allows them to get out of cooper’s contract in 2 years with a safety net (if he’s as good as you think). It Really Potentially allows them to trade cooper in two years when he has minimal dead money To get some value back or just move on to save 16 mil against the cap  

 I loved lamb and would’ve loved seeing him in green. However I like reagor. I don’t think he’s going to be tyreek hill. That’s a tough bar to live up too. It’s like desean. There’s really only been one desean. If he does the eagles hit jackpot. He actually reminds me of a slightly shorter version of Chris chambers who was good for many seasons and was very athletically gifted and fast. He didn’t have great hands but they were solid and when he played with good/decent QBs he had a lot of success. 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly I’m more pissed Dallas got him then we didn’t to be honest. I tend to think he was still the BPA at 17. If i were Dallas I’d have done the same. It basically allows them to get out of cooper’s contract in 2 years with a safety net (if he’s as good as you think). It Really Potentially allows them to trade cooper in two years when he has minimal dead money To get some value back or just move on to save 16 mil against the cap  

 I loved lamb and would’ve loved seeing him in green. However I like reagor. I don’t think he’s going to be tyreek hill. That’s a tough bar to live up too. It’s like desean. There’s really only been one desean. If he does the eagles hit jackpot. He actually reminds me of a slightly shorter version of Chris chambers who was good for many seasons and was very athletically gifted and fast. He didn’t have great hands but they were solid and when he played with good/decent QBs he had a lot of success. 

I used to be a big fan of Chris Chambers! 

50 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I used to be a big fan of Chris Chambers! 

His athleticism and speed and even his body build reminds me a lot of him. Chambers was slightly taller but they are very similar body type and what they bring in terms of speed and athleticism to the position. Neither has great hands but good enough to succeed. More i watched him the more i went back to watch chambers. Pretty good comp. 

20 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They didn’t think anyone would draft a 5’10” QB that early and predicted him to drop. Could be BS but could also be legit. Banner always wants to play smarter than everyone else so it wouldn’t surprise me.

Anyone that watched him play in college knew he was going to be a great QB at the NFL level. The size was his only knock. And by the time he was drafted Brees had already disproved that myth.

17 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Anyone that watched him play in college knew he was going to be a great QB at the NFL level. The size was his only knock. And by the time he was drafted Brees had already disproved that myth.

Brees still measured in at 6 foot, Wilson is a good inch and half shorter. I’m not saying it’s the correct decision process, because clearly. Just that the NFL is usually pretty slow to adapt. Banner himself said if he was over 6ft he’d be a first round pick in the draft. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Brees still measured in at 6 foot, Wilson is a good inch and half shorter. I’m not saying it’s the correct decision process, because clearly. Just that the NFL is usually pretty slow to adapt. Banner himself said if he was over 6ft he’d be a first round pick in the draft. 

I thought he should’ve been a second rounder because of his height the factor but that the fact he fell to the third round is a little ridiculous when you look with hindsight at Kyler Murray being drafted number one overall last Year and That kid is no way taller than 5‘10. He measured just over but I’m 5’7 he was not that much taller than me and my friend who’s 5’10 was taller than him. 

to me if the Eagles really loved him they should’ve just taken him over Vinny Curry or over Kendricks Due to the position value and Vick regressed a lot for 2010 to 2011 and always misses games so you needed a backup. Frankly with how the Eagles devalued the linebacker position it makes sense that they should have taken the quarterback if they really loved him. I think they say they absolutely loved him now cause makes them appear like they knew. When in reality they liked him but didn’t love him enough to put their money where their mouth was. 

On 5/4/2020 at 10:34 PM, Jordan629 said:

"In 2012, we had a vision,” Roseman said. "We had a vision that we would draft a quarterback who’s been extremely successful, and I don’t want tampering charges on me but I think we can understand who that was, and then come back in the fourth round and draft a quarterback who won a world championship for us and go back-to-back. And I feel like we got a little cute. And I don’t know that there’s a big difference between taking the 53rd pick in the draft and taking a pick in the third round if you feel strongly about a guy”

For those of you that don’t know, this topic has come up again. If they wanted Russ so badly, why did they wait until the 3rd only to see him get drafted before their pick? Eagles selected Foles at 88, Wilson went 75. If they wanted Wilson SO badly, how much would a trade up in the 3rd have cost? This is why I’m sick of hearing so much about it still. If they really based their draft on a QB in the 3rd round then they didn’t want him THAT badly. They had two 2 rounders that year. If you liked Wilson that bad, I don’t see how you valued Curry or Kendricks over him. It just seems like revisionist BS to me.

That's funny, because I'm tired of people continuing to complain about the Hurts pick as if doing so is going to change it.

I don't remember hearing that very much lol.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That's funny, because I'm tired of people continuing to complain about the Hurts pick as if doing so is going to change it.

No we can't change it. But it was a crappy pick.

I don't have a problem with this argument.  Howie's just saying they liked Wilson back then (that was well known, Reid liked him) and they were disappointed he was drafted. Sure, they could have used their additional 2nd rounder on him or traded down to get him.  But teams make decisions all the time thinking certain players will be available later, or they just really like a certain player where they're picking or sticking to their board.  Who knows.

Howie also said the Eagles have benefits from good backups and been hurt by not having one.  McNabb had 3 season ending injuries.  One year he was replaced by Detmer then AJ Feeley who won games for them.  2005 they had Mike McMahon who was garbage.  They got Garcia and made the playoffs.  Kolb got hurt and Vick took over.  Vick got hurt and Foles took over.  Foles got hurt and Sanchez took over.  Wentz got hurt, Foles took over twice then last year McCown.  You see around the league the importance of a strong backup.

Most teams get a veteran backup who is no longer good enough to be a starter.  This time the Eagles are getting a high draft pick to develop.  Look at the Redskins with Griffin and Cousins, the Seahawks had just signed a free agent QB then drafted Wilson.  

I was confused and upset at the pick as well, I wanted some defensive help or another WR to get the best available talent.  But I do understand what they're saying about having a good backup QB insurance policy.

I also think with the new offensive coaches, speed receivers and Hurts' skill set they will be doing some more creative things on offense.  No idea if all this will work or if it will be a giant mess but they do have an argument for having talent at the QB position not just 1 guy (let's face it, he's had only 1 complete injury free season out of 4).

1 hour ago, Uscg-green said:

I don't remember hearing that very much lol.

No we can't change it. But it was a crappy pick.

Maybe I'm silly, but I'm the kind of guy who puts the vast majority of my focus and energy into things I can control as opposed to things I can't control. I was furious and ****ed and complained about it for a day or two, then I moved on with my life. Again, maybe I'm just ''silly.''

23 hours ago, Br3 said:

Wilson is a great qb but he has the same number of rings as the guy they took that year 

To be fair, Russell should have at least two rings if not for Pete Carroll's idiotic goal line call. Foles is a Philly legend but I'm taking Russ all day every day. 

On 5/5/2020 at 12:20 PM, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Disagree. The niners hinted they didn’t want to move back too far once kinlaw fell to 13/14. At that point they basically said they didn’t want to move far enough back where they couldn’t get him. Meaning if they moved past 16 there was a chance dallas, Jaguars would snatch kinlaw before pick 21. Also Roseman said future picks when talking about a trade up. Meaning not just this year but potentially picks this year and in 2021. 

again atlanta didn’t want to move back unless you grossly overpaid. They didn’t want to lose Aj terrell who in all likelihood goes to the raiders at 19 because mike mayock is obsessed with Clemson players and wanted to take a corner at 19 hence they overdrafted the OSU kid in that spot. 

easy to say it was just a 1st and 2nd. It might have actually been even more as Atlanta was dead set on taking terrell add on they knew you had to leapfrog Dallas for him. 

You are speculating...just like I am...because neither one of us knows what was offered and what was said. I am ok with Reagor...even though I did not think it was the best value. The bottom Line..is we got Reagor and we did not get Lamb...End of story. Go Eagles.

On 5/5/2020 at 12:15 PM, Jordan629 said:

Am I doing this right?

 

Funny!!! LOL

12 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

You are speculating...just like I am...because neither one of us knows what was offered and what was said. I am ok with Reagor...even though I did not think it was the best value. The bottom Line..is we got Reagor and we did not get Lamb...End of story. Go Eagles.

Funny!!! LOL

I believe shanahan or Lynch came out and said they didn’t want to miss it on kinlaw. If kinlaw wasn’t there they said they were going aiyuk. So the fact is they didn’t want to trade out of 13/14 to 21 and risk not getting kinlaw. Honestly board didn’t fall in the eagles favors. Jets had 2 OT on the board, niners had a guy they apparently loved in kinlaw and the Bucs badly needed a RT hence why they traded up what they did to move up to 13 which was one spot to get them. Atlanta is the only speculation. But really with the factor mayock has Overdrafted and drafted a ton of Clemson players it is very likely if atlanta moves back to 21 that terrell goes to the raiders at 19. Heck the raiders reached for the OSU corner at 19 when projections had him 2-3 round.