48 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

I'll keep it short and sweet - I couldn't possibly disagree more.          Reid controlled personnel from 2005 on, so the Kolb and Vick calls were his, along with the myriad other idiotic picks and assistant coaching hires.        And we won't even get into his game day coaching and complete inability to adjust.           Reid is the primary reason this team didn't win a SB and only got to one.

He’s also the primary reason Kansas City won one as his offence is absolutely perfect for a quarterback like Mahomes. We can do this all day.

3 hours ago, AngryBird said:

He’s also the primary reason Kansas City won one as his offence is absolutely perfect for a quarterback like Mahomes. We can do this all day.

That does us a world of good after a ringless decade and a half here.        He's the guy who drafted McNabb and extended him not once, but twice, so blaming McNabb for Reid's failure here is absurd.

I feel confident in saying that Mahomes would be a perfect QB for pretty much any offense, and it took another Shanahan meltdown in the SB to turn what should have been a 49ers win into a loss.

27 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

That does us a world of good after a ringless decade and a half here.        He's the guy who drafted McNabb and extended him not once, but twice, so blaming McNabb for Reid's failure here is absurd.

I feel confident in saying that Mahomes would be a perfect QB for pretty much any offense, and it took another Shanahan meltdown in the SB to turn what should have been a 49ers win into a loss.

Can't blame it on a 49ers meltdown. The Chiefs came back from a deficit in every playoff game in their run. They are a tough team to lock down an entire game. Mahomes is a great QB and Reid has been a hell of a coach everywhere he has been.

On 5/10/2020 at 4:41 PM, Devaster said:

Can't blame it on a 49ers meltdown. The Chiefs came back from a deficit in every playoff game in their run. They are a tough team to lock down an entire game. Mahomes is a great QB and Reid has been a hell of a coach everywhere he has been.

I'll boil the game down to two things:

1.     I said going in the Niners only shot was to make Garopalo a non-factor, to not put the game in his hands.       They did that in the NFCCG, and Shanahan had a golden opportunity to just run it down the Chiefs throat the same way when up two scores.      Hell, even the dense Aikman kept waiting for them to do it.      Instead, he abandoned his game plan and put it in Jimmy G's hands, and paid the ultimate price.

2.     I'll even boil it down to one play:   Up 21-10, Chiefs 3rd and 15 - get a stop and the game might well have been over.       Instead, they allow Mahomes to throw that lollipop to a wide open Tyreek Hill for a 1st down.      I turned to my wife at that moment and said "24-21 Chiefs final".         I was only wrong because of the last TD long after I had shut it off.        A good game day coach wins that game up 21-10 with six minutes left.

Reid has been a very good but very flawed coach, but he lucked into a generational player and is reaping the benefits.

On 5/5/2020 at 4:41 AM, EagleJoe8 said:

I’ll preface this by saying I’m glad things turned out how they did, but with regard to the bolded line, it’s possible, not certain but possible if Wilson is as dynamic here as he was in Seattle in his rookie year, it could have led to 2012 NOT being Reid’s final year. Even with Lurie’s claim after the 2011 season that 8-8 was unacceptable, if Lurie sees Reid has a young dynamic QB to work with, he may have felt compelled to not fire him after the 2012 season especially if Wilson helps to lead the team to more than 4 wins. 

Wilson would have been Kelly's RPO wet dream 

On 5/10/2020 at 4:41 PM, Devaster said:

Can't blame it on a 49ers meltdown. The Chiefs came back from a deficit in every playoff game in their run. They are a tough team to lock down an entire game. Mahomes is a great QB and Reid has been a hell of a coach everywhere he has been.

AR's evolution has been an interesting one.  He has always been a great game planner, generally adjusts pretty well on offense too.  He needs a DC to run the show on that side of the ball, but so do most offensive HC's.

The first act of his Eagles career was defined by 3 things: 

1.  He did a GREAT job constructing a sustainable contender out of a downtrodden franchise.  

2.  He was a great offensive HC & QB mentor who also put great assistants in place.  

3.  He failed Mcnabb with his initial belief that their WR's were good enough.  They drafted busts and would not look to FA for better options.

Act Two:

1.  He learned how to draft offensive weapons, but the rest of his drafting really deteriorated.  

2.  Mcnabb started to slide.  He began to crack under the burden of realizing he couldn't carry the team over the hump.  The realization of Mcnabb's end and transition cost AR a few years hear.  

3.  It started with TO, it persisted with Mcnabb's insecurity and some questionable coaching moves...but the team was no longer a model locker room.  Trust eroded.  The team quit in 2012 and the message from AR just went stale.  

 

It's sort of ironic that AR failed Mcnabb in the first half of their time together and, IMO, Mcnabb failed AR in the second half.  

On 5/5/2020 at 9:22 AM, birdman#12 said:

Anything is possible, but I just couldn't see Reid, knowing his job was on the line, going to a rookie QB.......and like I said, who knows what Kelly would have done.

Like you, I'm glad things turned the way they did, with the exception of how Foles was treated.  Kelly was a f------ moron to trade him........to a sh-- organization, a lousy HC....for Sam Bradford?  WTF?

If it was a straight up trade, maybe you could understand the upside of Bradford but to give up a 2nd round pick with Foles?

A smart GM would have given his promising 3rd round QB another year to see what he has before trading him away. Chip only worked with Foles for 2 years before deciding that he needed Bradford.

22 hours ago, FLYEAGLES said:

Wilson would have been Kelly's RPO wet dream 

Maybe.... Vick and Kaepernick were supposed to thrive under Kelly's scheme and both failed miserably. Wilson is definitely different from those 2 but, still we expected to think a QB that had a ton of mobility and could throw would take chips scheme to the next level and that was never proven to be true. 

A true pocket passer is still the only one to thrive in chips scheme. 

11 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

If it was a straight up trade, maybe you could understand the upside of Bradford but to give up a 2nd round pick with Foles?

A smart GM would have given his promising 3rd round QB another year to see what he has before trading him away. Chip only worked with Foles for 2 years before deciding that he needed Bradford.

I think Chip wanted the QB move to be his guy and not someone he inherited. That way if he had success, he gets all the credit. 

12 hours ago, Jordan629 said:

I think Chip wanted the QB move to be his guy and not someone he inherited. That way if he had success, he gets all the credit. 

That's certainly possible. Another thing is the fact that he was used to the constant turnover and talent acquisition you see in college football and he probably just assumed that talented players are readily available for a team to acquire.

That would also likely explain how he was able to move on from DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Nick Foles, and Jeremy Maclin so easily.

On 5/14/2020 at 12:03 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Maybe.... Vick and Kaepernick were supposed to thrive under Kelly's scheme and both failed miserably. Wilson is definitely different from those 2 but, still we expected to think a QB that had a ton of mobility and could throw would take chips scheme to the next level and that was never proven to be true. 

A true pocket passer is still the only one to thrive in chips scheme. 

The best player in the Chippah’s system still is Nick Foles. 😂

On 5/12/2020 at 6:07 PM, mjkvol said:

I'll boil the game down to two things:

1.     I said going in the Niners only shot was to make Garopalo a non-factor, to not put the game in his hands.       They did that in the NFCCG, and Shanahan had a golden opportunity to just run it down the Chiefs throat the same way when up two scores.      Hell, even the dense Aikman kept waiting for them to do it.      Instead, he abandoned his game plan and put it in Jimmy G's hands, and paid the ultimate price.

2.     I'll even boil it down to one play:   Up 21-10, Chiefs 3rd and 15 - get a stop and the game might well have been over.       Instead, they allow Mahomes to throw that lollipop to a wide open Tyreek Hill for a 1st down.      I turned to my wife at that moment and said "24-21 Chiefs final".         I was only wrong because of the last TD long after I had shut it off.        A good game day coach wins that game up 21-10 with six minutes left.

Reid has been a very good but very flawed coach, but he lucked into a generational player and is reaping the benefits.

How did he luck into Mahomes?  They traded up in the draft to get him.  You could say that the Patriots lucked into Brady, but Reid didn’t luck into Mahomes. 

7 hours ago, RPeeteRules said:

How did he luck into Mahomes?  They traded up in the draft to get him.  You could say that the Patriots lucked into Brady, but Reid didn’t luck into Mahomes. 

Lucked into him being the generational player he is.       No one saw that coming.

3 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

Lucked into him being the generational player he is.       No one saw that coming.

Exactly, he was said to be a very talented but raw player. Some thought he would take a few years to develop into anything. Then he came out and threw 55 touchdowns in basically his rookie year. I'm sure the chiefs saw some of those things but not at that level so soon

13 minutes ago, mjkvol said:

Lucked into him being the generational player he is.       No one saw that coming.

There was a reason why they did move up so far to get him.  I think you always hope that someone you’re reading that far up for is that type of player.  It certainly helps that Reid’s offense is very QB friendly.  Their offense was pretty good with a decent QB in Smith, but became that much more better with the ability of Mahomes.

3 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Lucked into him being the generational player he is.       No one saw that coming.

Reid saw it. That’s why he traded up to get him. Reid also saw McNabb was the best quarterback in a draft that was supposed to be filled with quarterbacks. 

On 5/4/2020 at 7:53 PM, Madriver said:

It's total BS trying to justify this year's shocking 2nd rounder.

Still...thank heavens we got Foles.

How many rings does russell have to show for even though he had an elite defense and an weak division (for most of his time in the league)?   Just one i believe.  Same as foles.  Lol

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

How many rings does russell have to show for even though he had an elite defense and an weak division (for most of his time in the league)?   Just one i believe.  Same as foles.  Lol

Wilson is still the far superior player though. Winning multiple SBs is really hard to do and Wilson consistently puts his team in the play offs with a real shot to go back to the SB.

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reid saw it. That’s why he traded up to get him. Reid also saw McNabb was the best quarterback in a draft that was supposed to be filled with quarterbacks. 

Yeah, he saw a generational talent while nobody else in the league did.          Please stop.       With the kind of visionary ability to spot that level of talent, it's a wonder he hasn't won multiple Super Bowls.      

7 hours ago, mjkvol said:

Yeah, he saw a generational talent while nobody else in the league did.          Please stop.       With the kind of visionary ability to spot that level of talent, it's a wonder he hasn't won multiple Super Bowls.      

He did draft Kolb. Stupid move there and I hated it.

Hurts will be Howie's Kolb-esque BS move.

17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reid saw it. That’s why he traded up to get him. Reid also saw McNabb was the best quarterback in a draft that was supposed to be filled with quarterbacks. 

If Browns had picked up McNabb in 1999, how do you think Reid's career would have turned out?

Friendly reminder that Reid isn’t the Chiefs GM

1 hour ago, Jordan629 said:

Friendly reminder that Reid isn’t the Chiefs GM

Come on now you know people have to tie certain picks to certain people so they know who to blame 

1 hour ago, gameshowfan91 said:

If Browns had picked up McNabb in 1999, how do you think Reid's career would have turned out?

Who cares it didn't happen 

17 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

If Browns had picked up McNabb in 1999, how do you think Reid's career would have turned out?

With regard to Super Bowls won here, exactly the same.         He probably wouldn't have been here for a generation, though.

2000 was a pretty weak draft for QBs so if they didn’t get McNabb in 1999 I don’t know if they skip Couch. Maybe they suck in 2000 instead and end up drafting Vick in 2001.