On 5/17/2020 at 5:32 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

If Browns had picked up McNabb in 1999, how do you think Reid's career would have turned out?

Depends on if they took Smith or Culpepper.  Those were the two other guys they liked beside McNabb.  Smith was with the Eagles briefly late in his career.  I think if they had Culpepper, Reid might have had close to the same success in Philly.  With Smith, possibly not so much, but if there’s a coach I trust with QBs now, Reid has to be one of them. 

On 5/16/2020 at 6:02 PM, RPeeteRules said:

There was a reason why they did move up so far to get him.  I think you always hope that someone you’re reading that far up for is that type of player.  It certainly helps that Reid’s offense is very QB friendly.  Their offense was pretty good with a decent QB in Smith, but became that much more better with the ability of Mahomes.

Not taking anything away from mahomes i still think he'd become the best QB in the league but it helps a ton to be that great as fast as he did when you have tyreek hill, Sammy Watkins, Travis kelce, hardman, Robinson and Damian williams/hunt and a solid to good OL to start his career. He really had all the makings of a great offense if he was just good. He turned out to great but he did as fast as he did cause reid had everything set up for him to jump in for Alex smith and have success. That year of learning with reid and Alex smith helping definitely helped his rapid development. Coming or he had a huge arm but needed to be more accurate and needed to be better at reading defenses. That year he grinned learning and was ready for the following year. I think he likely was ready by years end of Alex smith faltered. Not win a title but be very good. Frankly if mcnabb had the type of skill weapons on the outside early in his career like mahomes did i think a lot of us would be talking about mcnabb differently. 

Heard Seahawks are trying to trade Russell. Smh

4 hours ago, Right4thePicking said:

Heard Seahawks are trying to trade Russell. Smh

There was a rumor that they were looking to in 2018. It's not a current rumor

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not taking anything away from mahomes i still think he'd become the best QB in the league but it helps a ton to be that great as fast as he did when you have tyreek hill, Sammy Watkins, Travis kelce, hardman, Robinson and Damian williams/hunt and a solid to good OL to start his career. He really had all the makings of a great offense if he was just good. He turned out to great but he did as fast as he did cause reid had everything set up for him to jump in for Alex smith and have success. That year of learning with reid and Alex smith helping definitely helped his rapid development. Coming or he had a huge arm but needed to be more accurate and needed to be better at reading defenses. That year he grinned learning and was ready for the following year. I think he likely was ready by years end of Alex smith faltered. Not win a title but be very good. Frankly if mcnabb had the type of skill weapons on the outside early in his career like mahomes did i think a lot of us would be talking about mcnabb differently. 

Mahomes was still real good last year and he did have an injury but still he was way off of his first year as a starter. I don't know that he is as good as his first year starting but still pretty damn good. He wasn't all that great in the playoffs either and if shannahan doesn't find a way to piss away another super bowl Reid still doesn't have a ring

23 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Mahomes was still real good last year and he did have an injury but still he was way off of his first year as a starter. I don't know that he is as good as his first year starting but still pretty damn good. He wasn't all that great in the playoffs either and if shannahan doesn't find a way to piss away another super bowl Reid still doesn't have a ring

Eh i think To believe mahomes would throw 50 tds every year is not realistic. He was going to come back down to more reasonable top of the nfl numbers. It’s why manning, brees and Brady didn’t consistently do that either.  mahomes was still pretty good. He missed 2.5 weeks (left Broncos  game in The first half 2.5) and he played through an injury before that. Yet he still finished with 26 tds and 5 ints. Think about this he finished tied for 8th in passing touchdowns and was the only player to miss 2.5 games. If you project out what he missed he was on pace to finish with 31 touchdowns which would’ve tied him for third in the league. That’s still ridiculously good. It’s not 2018 but it was still top 3 in the league. He also was top 10 in total passing yards. With the 2.5 games he miss he is easily top 5 in that category. 

i thought mahomes wasn’t great in the super bowl until crunch time fourth quarter. It was statistically his worse game but then again it was the best defense in the league. However he was Overall for the playoffs pretty good  completed 64 percent of his passes and had a Pass rating of 111. Averaged 300 passing yards per game and 45 rush yards.  He had 10 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and add on 2 rushing tds. That’s pretty good. Again super bowl was not good for 3 quarters but he lit it up when it mattered most. Can blame shanahan but the fact mahomes is really good and it’s hard to keep great players who are clutch down. Mahomes is pretty clutch when the chiefs need a spark he usually comes up with it (in fairness too if Dee ford isn’t offsides like an idiot in 2019 playoffs the chiefs might have already had 2 super bowl wins if we are playing the pissing it away game)

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i think To believe mahomes would throw 50 tds every year is not realistic. He was going to come back down to more reasonable top of the nfl numbers. It’s why manning, brees and Brady didn’t consistently do that either.  mahomes was still pretty good. He missed 2.5 weeks (left Broncos  game in The first half 2.5) and he played through an injury before that. Yet he still finished with 26 tds and 5 ints. Think about this he finished tied for 8th in passing touchdowns and was the only player to miss 2.5 games. If you project out what he missed he was on pace to finish with 31 touchdowns which would’ve tied him for third in the league. That’s still ridiculously good. It’s not 2018 but it was still top 3 in the league. He also was top 10 in total passing yards. With the 2.5 games he miss he is easily top 5 in that category. 

i thought mahomes wasn’t great in the super bowl until crunch time fourth quarter. It was statistically his worse game but then again it was the best defense in the league. However he was Overall for the playoffs pretty good  completed 64 percent of his passes and had a Pass rating of 111. Averaged 300 passing yards per game and 45 rush yards.  He had 10 touchdowns and 2 interceptions and add on 2 rushing tds. That’s pretty good. Again super bowl was not good for 3 quarters but he lit it up when it mattered most. Can blame shanahan but the fact mahomes is really good and it’s hard to keep great players who are clutch down. Mahomes is pretty clutch when the chiefs need a spark he usually comes up with it (in fairness too if Dee ford isn’t offsides like an idiot in 2019 playoffs the chiefs might have already had 2 super bowl wins if we are playing the pissing it away game)

 

In my defense I hate Andy Reid and the chiefs that's the only argument I got lol

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

In my defense I hate Andy Reid and the chiefs that's the only argument I got lol

I don’t hate reid but there’s so many frustrating things that happened in his tenure here That he rectified in KC that makes it bittersweet watching the Chiefs likely won multiple titles.

To me if you gave Donovan McNabb the better weapons or properly evaluated the WR position early in his career I think the Eagles walk away with at least one Super Bowl. To me if you had good enough wide receivers they beat the Bucs and I think they beat the Raiders easily. I also think the nfc title game vs. rams you likely win that game with better weapons on the outside. we didn’t get it enough quality at wide receiver until Terrell Owens. And that was only for a year. And then it took reid getting desean and maclin late in McNabbs career to properly evaluate the position. If mcnabb has guys like that in early stages of his career i fully believe he’s a Sb champion and likely different outlooks on his career and Reid’s tenure. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t hate reid but there’s so many frustrating things that happened in his tenure here That he rectified in KC that makes it bittersweet watching the Chiefs likely won multiple titles.

To me if you gave Donovan McNabb the better weapons or properly evaluated the WR position early in his career I think the Eagles walk away with at least one Super Bowl. To me if you had good enough wide receivers they beat the Bucs and I think they beat the Raiders easily. I also think the nfc title game vs. rams you likely win that game with better weapons on the outside. we didn’t get it enough quality at wide receiver until Terrell Owens. And that was only for a year. And then it took read into getting to desean and maclin late in McNabbs career to properly evaluate the position. If mcnabb has guys like that in early stages of his career i fully believe he’s a Sb champion and likely different outlooks on his career and Reid’s tenure. 

This brings me to my next problem. I don't particularly like McNabb either but, I have the opinion that McNabb saved most of Andy's career with his skill set. How many times did we see Reid let McNabb get his head caved in? Reid put McNabb in alot of bad situations and never truly let McNabb loose. I think reid put to much on mcnabbs plate and didn't adjust if McNabb wasn't playing. Then you have the back up come in and all of a sudden Reid is calling a more balanced game. 

I feel like Doug does the same thing to an extent with Wentz and puts to much on him at times. There is no shame in giving your QB a running game and not making him pass 50 times. Yet foles has to step in and all of a sudden there is balance and plays mixed in with what foles did best. 

20 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

This brings me to my next problem. I don't particularly like McNabb either but, I have the opinion that McNabb saved most of Andy's career with his skill set. How many times did we see Reid let McNabb get his head caved in? Reid put McNabb in alot of bad situations and never truly let McNabb loose. I think reid put to much on mcnabbs plate and didn't adjust if McNabb wasn't playing. Then you have the back up come in and all of a sudden Reid is calling a more balanced game. 

I feel like Doug does the same thing to an extent with Wentz and puts to much on him at times. There is no shame in giving your QB a running game and not making him pass 50 times. Yet foles has to step in and all of a sudden there is balance and plays mixed in with what foles did best. 

I am of the opinion that Jj really played a bigger role for Reid’s success early than what outsiders remember. The eagles offense was good i wouldn’t call it elite in the first 4 years of mcnabb’s career with reid (discounting his rookie year). 2000 they averaged 21.9 points per game, in 2001 21.4ppg, in 2002 25.9 ppg and 2003 was 23.4ppg. Only in 2002 were they a top 5 scoring offense. I get time they played wasn’t the same as offenses now but they weren’t beating teams most of the time out scoring them.

Defensively the eagles in those 4 seasons leading up to 2004 with Owens and mcnabb, were top 4 defense in ppg in 2000 (15ppg), in 2001 were top 2 at 13 ppg, in 2002 were top 2 at 15 ppg and the worst defense they had was 2003 which was 7th at 17.9 ppg due to a massive amount of injuries. To me JJ gets love from us but really i still think he’s underrated because i think the defense made up for a lot of offensive issues. In the playoff games leading up to 2004, the eagles gave up just 15.2 ppg. heck they lost the 2003 championship game giving up 14 points and in 2002 really just 20 due to mcnabb’s pick six. 

what’s frustrating is the offense was good not great but could’ve been elite with an elite type of defense if reid and the eagles just evaluated the WR position better and got better WRs. Also helped mcnabb preserve himself better if they ran the ball more than they did. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am of the opinion that Jj really played a bigger role for Reid’s success early than what outsiders remember. The eagles offense was good i wouldn’t call it elite in the first 4 years of mcnabb’s career with reid (discounting his rookie year). 2000 they averaged 21.9 points per game, in 2001 21.4ppg, in 2002 25.9 ppg and 2003 was 23.4ppg. Only in 2002 were they a top 5 scoring offense. I get time they played wasn’t the same as offenses now but they weren’t beating teams most of the time out scoring them.

Defensively the eagles in those 4 seasons leading up to 2004 with Owens and mcnabb, were top 4 defense in ppg in 2000 (15ppg), in 2001 were top 2 at 13 ppg, in 2002 were top 2 at 15 ppg and the worst defense they had was 2003 which was 7th at 17.9 ppg due to a massive amount of injuries. To me JJ gets love from us but really i still think he’s underrated because i think the defense made up for a lot of offensive issues. In the playoff games leading up to 2004, the eagles gave up just 15.2 ppg. heck they lost the 2003 championship game giving up 14 points and in 2002 really just 20 due to mcnabb’s pick six. 

what’s frustrating is the offense was good not great but could’ve been elite with an elite type of defense if reid and the eagles just evaluated the WR position better and got better WRs. Also helped mcnabb preserve himself better if they ran the ball more than they did. 

That is basically what I said! Lol

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

There was a rumor that they were looking to in 2018. It's not a current rumor

Nope it's current

14 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

Nope it's current

Give a link then because I searched it and they are only now saying they wanted to trade him in 2018. Link or it means nothing. 

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattle-seahawks/russell-wilson-trade-rumors-seahawks-brown-josh-allen

He just signed a major contract in 2019 says they tried to trade him in 2018. 

So again not current, they say this now but, still no one is saying they are trying to trade him now. 

Unless you don't know the difference between " were shopping him" or shopping him currently. 

 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Give a link then because I searched it and they are only now saying they wanted to trade him in 2018. Link or it means nothing. 

https://thespun.com/nfl/nfc-west/seattle-seahawks/russell-wilson-trade-rumors-seahawks-brown-josh-allen

He just signed a major contract in 2019 says they tried to trade him in 2018. 

So again not current, they say this now but, still no one is saying they are trying to trade him now. 

Unless you don't know the difference between " were shopping him" or shopping him currently. 

 

I was listening to a trusted YouTuber. We will see how it plays out.

17 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

I was listening to a trusted YouTuber. We will see how it plays out.

Oh yeah YouTube has the answers.

Also searched YouTube and same thing they thought about trading him in 2018. So unless you can give the exact link that its current you have nothing to say

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Oh yeah YouTube has the answers.

Also searched YouTube and same thing they thought about trading him in 2018. So unless you can give the exact link that its current you have nothing to say

Like I said we will see. I didn't ask you to say anything anyways.

2 hours ago, Right4thePicking said:

Like I said we will see. I didn't ask you to say anything anyways.

Don't post on a message board then if you don't want responses

On 5/19/2020 at 7:00 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Don't post on a message board then if you don't want responses

Man shut your trap bwest. Passing along info. We are discussing that Seattle really doesn't appreciate having a great black qb. And that he is on the trading block. And we may be interested if Wentz goes on a hospital bed.

52 minutes ago, Right4thePicking said:

Man shut your trap bwest. Passing along info. We are discussing that Seattle really doesn't appreciate having a great black qb. And that he is on the trading block. And we may be interested if Wentz goes on a hospital bed.

Who is we? no one is discussing Wilson being traded except you because you brought up false information. This thread is about Howie not drafting Wilson not trading for him. 

So even if he is on the block how do you propose we trade for another 34 million dollar quarterback when we already have a 34 million dollar quarterback? 

On 5/4/2020 at 10:34 PM, Jordan629 said:

"In 2012, we had a vision,” Roseman said. "We had a vision that we would draft a quarterback who’s been extremely successful, and I don’t want tampering charges on me but I think we can understand who that was, and then come back in the fourth round and draft a quarterback who won a world championship for us and go back-to-back. And I feel like we got a little cute. And I don’t know that there’s a big difference between taking the 53rd pick in the draft and taking a pick in the third round if you feel strongly about a guy”

For those of you that don’t know, this topic has come up again. If they wanted Russ so badly, why did they wait until the 3rd only to see him get drafted before their pick? Eagles selected Foles at 88, Wilson went 75. If they wanted Wilson SO badly, how much would a trade up in the 3rd have cost? This is why I’m sick of hearing so much about it still. If they really based their draft on a QB in the 3rd round then they didn’t want him THAT badly. They had two 2 rounders that year. If you liked Wilson that bad, I don’t see how you valued Curry or Kendricks over him. It just seems like revisionist BS to me.

I've read this post a thousand times.  Nothing new here we get it.  in fact we all knew it

On 5/17/2020 at 5:32 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

If Browns had picked up McNabb in 1999, how do you think Reid's career would have turned out?

They didn’t cause they’re the Browns though. Still there were plenty of other players chosen after McNabb including several quarterbacks. You have to give Reid credit for choosing McNabb and Mahomes. On a side note he also chose Kolb so he makes mistakes occasionally too. 

On 5/17/2020 at 9:07 AM, mjkvol said:

Yeah, he saw a generational talent while nobody else in the league did.          Please stop.       With the kind of visionary ability to spot that level of talent, it's a wonder he hasn't won multiple Super Bowls.      

Hey he might be on the verge of winning multiple Super Bowls and if he did a "better job” of finding and selecting wide receiver talent to put around McNabb them maybe he would have had multiple super bowl than a bunch of championship losses. 

They took a pass on him twice so they obviously didn't want him that bad.