ManchesterEagle Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I did a post on the other board, suggesting we should keep and play Alshon when he’s healthy. A lot of the local media, including idiots like Frank and BLG were convinced that Jeffery would be cut with a post June designation. He wasn’t. Since then the Eagles have made it clear that he’s part of the plans. Still BLG is claiming this is a ploy to trade him. It isn’t. 1 Alshon has no trade value coming off a major injury with that contract. 2 Fully healthy Alshon is elite. We haven’t seen that Alshon and we are not going to. But he is still a very effective receiver and red zone threat even when not fully healthy. 3 Yes we have a lot of receivers. But who of those really push him out? Jackson is 33 and a Z receiver. Reagor will spell Jackson and work the slot. Ward will also be in the mix there as well. Goodwin is a speed receiver coming off a season in which he had chronic knee issues. He has had one respectable season out of 7. Hightower and Watkins were late round flyers. Again limited speed guys. JJAW could be the guy, but after last year I think Alshon will probably be better. This team will be better with a semi healthy Alshon. We are paying him anyway so may as well take advantage of it. 4
dawkins4prez Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 And I have agreed with you. Jeffrey and JJAW are the only X receivers on the team, let that sink in. Jackson is going to need a limited work load, so will all the rookies, so will that 160 lb guy we got from SF. Yeah it sure feels like we could use half a season from Jeffrey. 2
FastFreddie Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Due to the drop against the Saints, the injuries last year, and the Josina Anderson crap; Alshon is definitely an underrated player with the fan base. A healthy Alshon is a big deal to the offense. 3
eagle45 Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don't think he'll be cut. I just think he should. Why does Jeffery need to be the only X WR on the roster? Is there some unwritten rule that the X WR needs to be slow and lumbering? Desean can't be relied on to stay healthy, but when he DOES play, at least he still offers something. Reagor at X, Desean at Z is a lot better than Alshon X and Desean at Z. I don't think you guys are grasping how non-viable Alshon will be post recovery as an NFL WR. I mean it when I say I'd rather have Jordan Matthews.
BirdsFanBill Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Alshon was the best receiver weve had in years for a while. Hes not going to be Supebowl run Alshon, although he did that with a torn rotator cuff, but I think hell still be useful in the offense this season. 2
ManchesterEagle Posted May 5, 2020 Author Posted May 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: And I have agreed with you. Jeffrey and JJAW are the only X receivers on the team, let that sink in. Jackson is going to need a limited work load, so will all the rookies, so will that 160 lb guy we got from SF. Yeah it sure feels like we could use half a season from Jeffrey. 20 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: Due to the drop against the Saints, the injuries last year, and the Josina Anderson crap; Alshon is definitely an underrated player with the fan base. A healthy Alshon is a big deal to the offense. 14 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Alshon was the best receiver weve had in years for a while. Hes not going to be Supebowl run Alshon, although he did that with a torn rotator cuff, but I think hell still be useful in the offense this season. Glad there are a number of sensible fans still here. He was clearly hurt last year, but still put up 9 catches for 137 yards and a TD in his last game. Not many receivers in this league can put in that kind of performance. 2
dawkins4prez Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said: Alshon was the best receiver weve had in years for a while. Hes not going to be Supebowl run Alshon, although he did that with a torn rotator cuff, but I think hell still be useful in the offense this season. In the only3-4 games he was healthy last year, he was a beast.
allphilly Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, FastFreddie said: Due to the drop against the Saints, the injuries last year, and the Josina Anderson crap; Alshon is definitely an underrated player with the fan base. A healthy Alshon is a big deal to the offense. Unfortunately I agree
dawkins4prez Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, eagle45 said: Why does Jeffery need to be the only X WR on the roster? Is there some unwritten rule that the X WR needs to be slow and lumbering? The X receiver is pressed against the sideline with a big rangy Cb in his face at the LOS. He doesn't have to be big, he can get it done with quickness and hand fighting. The hand fighting part doesn't describe anybody else in that WR room. Now I happen to think that Jalen Reagor at some point in his career might actually play at ~200 lbs and line up there as a true #1, but he sure as F ain't doing that as a rookie. 3
nipples Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Chances are he won’t be healthy to play until close to December, and then who knows if he’ll be anywhere near game shape. If he’s going to be out until mid December anyway, then there is no point in not just putting him on IR
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I wouldn’t call alshon elite when healthy. He hasn’t been Elite since 2014. I do think he’s a good WR when healthy and one that can make a difference. I consider elite julio Jones or Michael Thomas or deandre Hopkins 1
ManchesterEagle Posted May 5, 2020 Author Posted May 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said: I wouldn’t call alshon elite when healthy. He hasn’t been Elite since 2014. I do think he’s a good WR when healthy and one that can make a difference. I consider elite julio Jones or Michael Thomas or deandre Hopkins I think 2013-2015 Alshon was elite and borderline top 5 receiver in the league. But you're right, since then he's just been's good to very good. No chance of him getting back to 2013-15 form, but if he can be what he has been for us, he will make a difference, especially if Jackson/Reagor can open things up for this O.
graysferry Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Alshon isn't going anywhere because Roseman stupidly guaranteed his 2020 contract. Roseman love's him some soft, underachieving , overpaid WRs.
graysferry Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: I think 2013-2015 Alshon was elite and borderline top 5 receiver in the league. But you're right, since then he's just been's good to very good. No chance of him getting back to 2013-15 form, but if he can be what he has been for us, he will make a difference, especially if Jackson/Reagor can open things up for this O. In 2015, I had six pack abs and could run a marathon. Yesterday, I hurt my back trying to pick up a potato chip. 2 3
FastFreddie Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Just now, graysferry said: In 2015, I had six pack abs and could run a marathon. Yesterday, I hurt my back trying to pick up a potato chip. Same here, except the potato chip was a tortilla chip. Made Rotel queso and got high on cheese. 4 minutes ago, graysferry said: Alshon isn't going anywhere because Roseman stupidly guaranteed his 2020 contract. Roseman love's him some soft, underachieving , overpaid WRs. Pretty sure Howie would like a takesies backsies on that move.
e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: I think 2013-2015 Alshon was elite and borderline top 5 receiver in the league. But you're right, since then he's just been's good to very good. No chance of him getting back to 2013-15 form, but if he can be what he has been for us, he will make a difference, especially if Jackson/Reagor can open things up for this O. Honestly the most value jeffery has to the Eagles as a wide receiver comes in the red zone. They don’t have another tall big target wide receiver for the red zone besides Jjaw who’s shown next to nothing. As much as I like reagor’s jumping ability he’s not 6’3 nor the big red zone target jeffery is. That said I would be surprised if he’s not PUP list to start the season. He had that lis franc and it was supposedly one of the worst kinds of Lis franc in the beginning of December. There’s a chance he’s not ready for football til beginning of November. 1
toolg Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 They can't trade him because he won't pass the physical, even if he could take one right now, but he can't because teams can't be in their facility. They can't cut him because he's recovering from surgery. I'd like to think he can come back healthy at some point and contribute, but I'm not there yet.
judunno Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, toolg said: They can't trade him because he won't pass the physical, even if he could take one right now, but he can't because teams can't be in their facility. They can't cut him because he's recovering from surgery. I'd like to think he can come back healthy at some point and contribute, but I'm not there yet. November/December ish return maybe.
toolg Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 Just now, judunno said: November/December ish return maybe. Maybe. I think it's just as likely he could spend the entire season on PUP or IR.
FastFreddie Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 It actually works out perfectly for him to start the season on PUP.
Redzonemadness Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I agree that Alshon may no longer be a true WR1, and his trade value is nonexistent. But cutting doesn't help in any way cap wise. Eagles do have a numbers problem at WR now, and they definitely would want to give the younglings the opportunity to grow. So probably it would be ideal if Alshon start in PUP, which he very well be health wise.. Then punt his activation to if/when someone else in WR goes to injured list/ suspension/cut /traded/ whatever. 2
EazyEaglez Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I don’t know if I would call Alshon elite when healthy, but he’s certainly an asset. I never really believed the Eagles were going to cut Alshon, but I’m still not convinced he’s going to play for the Eagles in 2020. It will come down to how well these kid receivers can step up and if Alshon is healthy. I doubt he will be by week one. I also think the real issue between Alshon and Carson is the comfort level of the quarterback and his willingness to throw into tight spaces. I don’t think this is something Carson likes to do and Alshon is never going to be a burner. Carson certainly seems more comfortable throwing into the middle of the field to Ertz in those spaces than he does on outs. That’s why I think if Jackson stays healthy they probably would have been prolific together, because Jackson’s speed alone creates space and Carson doesn’t mind throwing to a guy who is guaranteed to be open on nearly every play. Nick Foles on the other hand has always been the fearless type and is more than willing to throw that ball in tight spaces, (and that’s why Alshon loved him) but at times in the past it has cost him with a lot of interceptions. Ultimately I don’t think Alshon and Carson are a good fit together and eventually Alshon will be moved. My guess is after this season.
dawkins4prez Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, Redzonemadness said: I agree that Alshon may no longer be a true WR1, and his trade value is nonexistent. But cutting doesn't help in any way cap wise. Eagles do have a numbers problem at WR now, and they definitely would want to give the younglings the opportunity to grow. So probably it would be ideal if Alshon start in PUP, which he very well be health wise.. Then punt his activation to if/when someone else in WR goes to injured list/ suspension/cut /traded/ whatever. Midseason when DSJ is hurt and Reagor hits his rookie wall we will be screaming for Jeffrey. 1
GrahamCracker Posted May 5, 2020 Posted May 5, 2020 I would have liked to move on given the chemistry concerns more than anything. If they are going to give it another go and keep him around, then I hope he lands on PUP and comes back as fully recovered as he can be to help on the backside of the schedule. Alshon is certainly aging but his game was never based on speed, he can be useful and is a different kind of receiver than the rest of the WR room outside of JJAW.
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