18 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I SERIOUSLY doubt it will happen, but if Alshon puts up a 100 plus catch season, double digit touchdowns, and over 1000 yards how do you not bring him back? My point is although I agree the chances of Jeffery and Jackson being Eagles in 2021 are almost nil, there is a chance it still could happen. 

 

16 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I would agree with that as well. The way things are going we may not even have a full season or one at all to answer any of these questions

 

17 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Like I've mentioned before, the Eagles really feel they have to have that "type" of WR in this offense. If Jeffery ends strong this year and JJAW still disappoints, they won't take a cap hit and move on. If JJAW looks like he's ready to replace Jeffery, they could decide to move on for 2021. 

What I'm a little unclear on is the exact cap ramifications for cutting Alshon before the 2021 season. On one hand I thought that we took the cap hit anyway, but I read somewhere that we would save 13 million in cap space by cutting him before 2021. Can anybody provide the definite answer?

If we would save 13 million, then the only way I can realistically see Alshon staying is if he takes a restructure. 

If we don't save much by cutting him though, then a lot depends on how he looks when he comes back and if JJAW develops into a potential starter. 

Saving cap doesn't mention the dead cap impact, which impacts the team's overall cap number available for signing players. 13mil in savings if he is cut post-June 1 in 2021, but the overall cap takes a 5.5mil hit because of the dead cap. Which is an overall saving of 7.5mil. And not many veteran players get cut post-June 1.

https://overthecap.com/player/alshon-jeffery/101/

55 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Saving cap doesn't mention the dead cap impact, which impacts the team's overall cap number available for signing players. 13mil in savings if he is cut post-June 1 in 2021, but the overall cap takes a 5.5mil hit because of the dead cap. Which is an overall saving of 7.5mil. And not many veteran players get cut post-June 1.

https://overthecap.com/player/alshon-jeffery/101/

13 mil in cap savings for 2021. Am I reading that right? If I am then I don’t think he’s staying regardless of the numbers he puts up.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

13 mil in cap savings for 2021. Am I reading that right? If I am then I don’t think he’s staying regardless of the numbers he puts up.

Sorry my math was wrong. Yes, it is 13mil saved. But the overall cap is reduced 5.5mil. Cutting him post-June 1 frees 18.5mil off the books, but we would only really see 13mil in savings.

There really aren't many veterans cut post-June 1 though, because it doesn't give them any time to catch on with another team. More likely would be a pre-June 1 cut next off season. Which then only frees up 8mil and there is a dead cap hit of 10.5mil.

Cap savings always depends on Pre/Post June designation. The teams now can cut a player before June and have it reflect the post June date so they save the extra cap. If he is traded it is a whole different ball game. That number can vary based off the agreement with the other team. That would be only if  the extremely rare case hes traded in 2020 of course which I don't really see happening. 

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Cap savings always depends on Pre/Post June designation. The teams now can cut a player before June and have it reflect the post June date so they save the extra cap. If he is traded it is a whole different ball game. That number can vary based off the agreement with the other team. That would be only if  the extremely rare case hes traded in 2020 of course which I don't really see happening. 

Exactly. And one of the reasons we rarely see big name players cut post-June 1 is because the extra cap saving at that point is often moot because the FA pool has dried up by that point. The point is to free up as much cap room during the early stages of FA to sign/trade for the best players available. It would open up the possibility of trading for a good player during training camp/preseason, but the Eagles would be unlikely to benefit for the additional cap room at that point.

Correct but this was added in 2020. So you now can cut a player pre June and still save the post June money. 

The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts.

1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

Correct but this was added in 2020. So you now can cut a player pre June and still save the post June money. 

The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts.

Is that true about pushing some of the cap hit to the following year? Or does it just mean that they can cut a player early and designate them as a post June-1 cut? Or is that the media misunderstanding the implementation? Because it wouldn't be the first time. I feel like they are getting confused about what constitutes the current year vs the following year.

6 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Is that true about pushing some of the cap hit to the following year? Or does it just mean that they can cut a player early and designate them as a post June-1 cut? Or is that the media misunderstanding the implementation? Because it wouldn't be the first time. I feel like they are getting confused about what constitutes the current year vs the following year.

The cap hit is always the same. The only difference is that, if a player is released after June 1, the hit can be spread over two seasons instead of being incurred all at once.

2 hours ago, Devaster said:

Is that true about pushing some of the cap hit to the following year? Or does it just mean that they can cut a player early and designate them as a post June-1 cut? Or is that the media misunderstanding the implementation? Because it wouldn't be the first time. I feel like they are getting confused about what constitutes the current year vs the following year.

 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

The cap hit is always the same. The only difference is that, if a player is released after June 1, the hit can be spread over two seasons instead of being incurred all at once.

 

 

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Correct but this was added in 2020. So you now can cut a player pre June and still save the post June money. 

The NFL salary cap being what it is, there are a few additional twists. A player can be cut as soon as the new league year begins in March and still be designated a June 1 cut, thus saving some cap space in the current year while pushing some of the hit into the following year. Teams are limited to the early (pre-June 1) designation of no more than two players per year as June 1 cuts.

So am I right in thinking that if we cut Alshon next year with a post June designation, we take a 5 million cap hit 2021 a 5 million hit in 2022, but save 13 million in 2021? And if we don't cut him then he counts 18 million against the cap?

If that's right, then there is no way they keep him on that contract, regardless of what happens in 2020. He either takes a restructure or more likely gets cut. 

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

 

So am I right in thinking that if we cut Alshon next year with a post June designation, we take a 5 million cap hit 2021 a 5 million hit in 2022, but save 13 million in 2021? And if we don't cut him then he counts 18 million against the cap?

If that's right, then there is no way they keep him on that contract, regardless of what happens in 2020. He either takes a restructure or more likely gets cut. 

Not sure what his contract looks like beyond this year? But yeah pretty much that's my very limited understanding. If they cut him post June 1 in 2021 then they can spread the cap hit. Would have been the same this year. So if we'd have cut him after June 1 2020 then we could have spread that big cap hit across 2 years. 

1 minute ago, ManchesterEagle said:

If that's right, then there is no way they keep him on that contract, regardless of what happens in 2020. He either takes a restructure or more likely gets cut. 

The Eagles have a couple contracts that are structured the same way, namely Jeffery, Malik Jackson and Brandon Graham, that all pay them pretty big base salaries in 2021 that aren't guaranteed, so there's no way they will play under those existing contracts. But all three can be easily extended to reduce their cap hits for 2021 and reflect their expected decrease in snaps.

Keeping Jackson and Graham make sense since D linemen rotate a lot. But it doesn't make sense in Jeffery's case.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not sure what his contract looks like beyond this year? But yeah pretty much that's my very limited understanding. If they cut him post June 1 in 2021 then they can spread the cap hit. Would have been the same this year. So if we'd have cut him after June 1 2020 then we could have spread that big cap hit across 2 years. 

If I'm right, the big difference is that there wouldn't have been any saving this year, even with a June 1 designation cut. We would just avoid bringing forward next year's cap hit as well. That's why I was so adamant they wouldn't do it.

Next year there do seem to be genuine savings to be made.

21 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

If I'm right, the big difference is that there wouldn't have been any saving this year, even with a June 1 designation cut. We would just avoid bringing forward next year's cap hit as well. That's why I was so adamant they wouldn't do it.

Next year there do seem to be genuine savings to be made.

You may be right. I know at one point they were talking about the CBA as that was potentially going to make or break a cut. In the end it didn't as they didn't cut him. Or at least haven't yet and I very much doubt they do.