DJax, Reagor are only 100% bonafide locks to make the roster

JJAW is like 98% lock as they spent high draft capital on him and it's only year 2

Alshon (due to guaranteed salary but will likely start on PUP/IR at least) is like 90% lock to remain on team

Hightower, Goodwin, Watkins, Ward all fighting for 3 spots if Alshon starts on PUP/IR, 2 spots if not

 

1 hour ago, FastFreddie said:

It actually works out

14 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Midseason when DSJ is hurt and Reagor hits his rookie wall we will be screaming for Jeffrey.

for him to start the season on PUP.

 

46 minutes ago, Redzonemadness said:

I agree that Alshon may no longer be a true WR1, and his trade value is nonexistent.  But cutting doesn't help in any way cap wise. 

Eagles do have a numbers problem at WR now, and they definitely would want to give the younglings the opportunity to grow. 

So probably it would be ideal if Alshon start in PUP, which he very well be health wise..

Then punt his activation to if/when someone else in WR goes to injured list/ suspension/cut /traded/ whatever. 

He may well start on PUP. The timetable was start of September, but PUP gives him more time to get fully healthy.

I suspect Goodwin might not make the roster, or if he does, he may well be cut once Alshon is ready. 

Goodwin and Ward make the team.

I definitely have Ward making the team.  I think it's Goodwin/Hightower/Watkins battling for 2 spots.

The Eagles clearly wanted to get younger and faster at WR. 

They drafted three of those younger, faster WR's and traded for one that's about the same age as Alshon, but a literal Olympic track star. 

JJAW isn't going anywhere.  Ward just about saved our season on his own last year.  DJax is coming back healthy. 

Alshon's gone. 

2 hours ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

DJax, Reagor are only 100% bonafide locks to make the roster

JJAW is like 98% lock as they spent high draft capital on him and it's only year 2

Alshon (due to guaranteed salary but will likely start on PUP/IR at least) is like 90% lock to remain on team

Hightower, Goodwin, Watkins, Ward all fighting for 3 spots if Alshon starts on PUP/IR, 2 spots if not

 

Going on a limb if jeffery is back i can’t see them keeping 7 wrs on the roster with deSean, reagor, JJAW, Jeffery, 3 of the four you mentioned. I think alshon is going to start the year on Pup which will make it six with likely hightower and Watkins battling it out for the last spot. 

7 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

2 Fully healthy Alshon is elite

You make some good points, but this one? It's just plain wrong. 

Alshon isn't elite, he never has been. He's had one really top year, he's had perhaps a couple of good years and he's had a lot of injuries. 

I still think he has a role in the league. He's a reliable pass catcher for the most part when healthy. But that shouldn't be on this team. I don't think this team is winning a SB next year and I think they recognise that. Therefore it's time to give Wentz young weapons that he can grow with. Give the new guys a chance and let Jeffrey stay on IR.

46 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You make some good points, but this one? It's just plain wrong. 

Alshon isn't elite, he never has been. He's had one really top year, he's had perhaps a couple of good years and he's had a lot of injuries. 

I still think he has a role in the league. He's a reliable pass catcher for the most part when healthy. But that shouldn't be on this team. I don't think this team is winning a SB next year and I think they recognise that. Therefore it's time to give Wentz young weapons that he can grow with. Give the new guys a chance and let Jeffrey stay on IR.

Alright, I probably overstated it slightly. But I think 2013 - 2015 he was borderline elite. Obviously incredible year in 2013. 2014 - drop off in yards - 1100, but 10 TDs. 

2015 yards he had 800 yards and 4 TDs in 8 starts. So on pace for 1500/1600 yards. Then the injuries started.

But anyways, there's no point in going into it. Even I have accepted he won't get back to that guy. 

Why can’t we have nice receivers? We keep breaking them. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You make some good points, but this one? It's just plain wrong. 

Alshon isn't elite, he never has been. He's had one really top year, he's had perhaps a couple of good years and he's had a lot of injuries. 

I still think he has a role in the league. He's a reliable pass catcher for the most part when healthy. But that shouldn't be on this team. I don't think this team is winning a SB next year and I think they recognise that. Therefore it's time to give Wentz young weapons that he can grow with. Give the new guys a chance and let Jeffrey stay on IR.

Alshon was elite. He was a top-5 receiver for a period of time. He could have had some monstrous seasons with a better QB and team around him during the early part of his career.

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

Alshon was elite. He was a top-5 receiver for a period of time. He could have had some monstrous seasons with a better QB and team around him during the early part of his career.

He had one really great season that was it. The rest is riddled with injuries and him just not really being that great. Elite receivers can get their numbers with almost any QB. Cutler was an arsehole and wasn't great but he was good enough to help Brandon Marshall have his best years. 

Jeez, if they keep Ward and bring Alshon back onto the roster, all that post-draft speed talk was for nothing.  That almost certainly means that 2 of Goodwin/Watkins/Hightower are gone with the lone survivor...one of their rookie picks...likely not dressing on Sundays.

Once Desean gets hurt, they'd basically be down to Alshon/Reagor/Ward/JJAW.  Slow offense all over again.

Move on and embrace the new guys.

Once Alston is healthy, Howie’s going to try to trade him for a box of donuts and probably eat some salary too.  Basically just get him off the books if he can.  The new guys are here now.

I'm no expert, but watching Jeffery on the field last year signaled he was done.  They originally signed him as an older, injury prone WR that had potential to be a "#1 WR" if healthy.  He had a good couple years but he's slow, injured a lot, was dropping passes and not as effective.

Howie made a huge mistake giving him that contract.  

You don't draft 4 receivers (3 drafted yourself, trade a pick for a WR) if you trust who you have.  They may be stuck with Jeffrey's contract but the team is moving on.  They drafted JJAW last year already in anticipation to replace Jeffrey so they were already preparing for that.  Now the other WRs they brought in.

Jeffrey will be on IR for a good portion of the season to begin with anyway.  

Even if Jeffery is on IR, his contract isn't going away this season, and probably not next season. We would have to pay a team to take on his contract with a draft pick swap and Alshon. He counts heavily against the cap and it is worse if the team cuts him.

6 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Jeez, if they keep Ward and bring Alshon back onto the roster, all that post-draft speed talk was for nothing.  That almost certainly means that 2 of Goodwin/Watkins/Hightower are gone with the lone survivor...one of their rookie picks...likely not dressing on Sundays.

Once Desean gets hurt, they'd basically be down to Alshon/Reagor/Ward/JJAW.  Slow offense all over again.

Move on and embrace the new guys.

 

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

I'm no expert, but watching Jeffery on the field last year signaled he was done.  They originally signed him as an older, injury prone WR that had potential to be a "#1 WR" if healthy.  He had a good couple years but he's slow, injured a lot, was dropping passes and not as effective.

Howie made a huge mistake giving him that contract.  

You don't draft 4 receivers (3 drafted yourself, trade a pick for a WR) if you trust who you have.  They may be stuck with Jeffrey's contract but the team is moving on.  They drafted JJAW last year already in anticipation to replace Jeffrey so they were already preparing for that.  Now the other WRs they brought in.

Jeffrey will be on IR for a good portion of the season to begin with anyway.  

 

4 hours ago, Devaster said:

Even if Jeffery is on IR, his contract isn't going away this season, and probably not next season. We would have to pay a team to take on his contract with a draft pick swap and Alshon. He counts heavily against the cap and it is worse if the team cuts him.

As Devaster says, we are stuck with AJ, unless we want to give up draft picks to trade him, which would be stupid.

AJ did look slow and dropped balls last year. But he still put up 490 yards and 5 TDs in essentially 8 games. Most receivers can’t do that. He might be on IR for part of the season. His timetable was early September.

As for the others - DJax is injury prone and will turn 34 in the season. JJAW has shown nothing yet. Ward looked good, but over 6 games. Excited about Reagor, but he is a rookie and better suited for the Z/slot positions.

Goodwin was terrible last year and had chronic knee issues. The 49ers are also really weak at wide receiver and basically gave him away.

Hightower and Watkins are flyers. The chances of a 5th/6th rounder being able to contribute meaningfully as a rookie are very slim.

So yes we have lots of bodies, but also a lot of question marks. Why move on from  Alshon if we don’t really gain anything from it. He can help.

 

 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

As Devaster says, we are stuck with AJ, unless we want to give up draft picks to trade him, which would be stupid.

Here's my approach...

Keep Jeffrey, list him on PUP. See how the younger guys get on and how they develop, give them the chance to earn a role on the offense. If that doesn't work out then you can bring Jeffrey back and he can perhaps contribute down the stretch if you are still in contention.

But I would absolutely not have him on the active roster week one.

Keep 7 WRs this season.  DJax, Goodwin, Jeffrey are part-time player due to injury.  Need the extra bodies to field the games. 

19 hours ago, Mr_Soprano said:

Goodwin and Ward make the team.

Ward yes, Goodwin no. The dude can’t stay healthy. I’d much rather roll with the rookies and see what they can do. I truly believe the Goodwin trade would not have even happened if they thought they would be able to get Watkins where they did.

Word was that Hightower or Watkins was basically a coin flip for them, and they didn’t anticipate being able to get Watkins later after taking Hightower. They trade for Goodwin after the Hightower pick, then later in Watkins was surprisingly still on the board so they took him too. 

Due to the shortened offseason and Alshon’s injury, Goodwin very likely to be on the opening day roster unless he has already sustained an injury of his own. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Here's my approach...

Keep Jeffrey, list him on PUP. See how the younger guys get on and how they develop, give them the chance to earn a role on the offense. If that doesn't work out then you can bring Jeffrey back and he can perhaps contribute down the stretch if you are still in contention.

But I would absolutely not have him on the active roster week one.

Not a bad approach and obviously Jeffery might have to go on PUP anyway.

But so many variables.

Is Goodwin done? Do the Eagles think they can get anything meaningful from JJAW? Do the Eagles feel comfortable putting out any of the rookies? (hopefully at least Reagor). What if Jackson pulls a hamstring in preseason?

If Jeffery is healthy we may well need him.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Is Goodwin done? Do the Eagles think they can get anything meaningful from JJAW? Do the Eagles feel comfortable putting out any of the rookies? (hopefully at least Reagor). What if Jackson pulls a hamstring in preseason?

If Jeffery is healthy we may well need him.

If Goodwin is a no go and they don't trust JJAW then yeah Jeffrey absolutely has a role to play.

As soon as someone drops a touchdown tate will be begging for Alshon to come back. He'll be the only thing that can save the season. 🙄

4 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

As Devaster says, we are stuck with AJ, unless we want to give up draft picks to trade him, which would be stupid.

AJ did look slow and dropped balls last year. But he still put up 490 yards and 5 TDs in essentially 8 games. Most receivers can’t do that. He might be on IR for part of the season. His timetable was early September.

As for the others - DJax is injury prone and will turn 34 in the season. JJAW has shown nothing yet. Ward looked good, but over 6 games. Excited about Reagor, but he is a rookie and better suited for the Z/slot positions.

Goodwin was terrible last year and had chronic knee issues. The 49ers are also really weak at wide receiver and basically gave him away.

Hightower and Watkins are flyers. The chances of a 5th/6th rounder being able to contribute meaningfully as a rookie are very slim.

So yes we have lots of bodies, but also a lot of question marks. Why move on from  Alshon if we don’t really gain anything from it. He can help.

 

 

Exactly how I feel. We are stuck with him for another 1-2 seasons because of his contract and he remains the best WR currently on the roster when healthy. If he is healthy there is no reason not to utilize him. He makes the offense and team better. The other young guys will need to prove that they can't be kept off the field before demoting a healthy Alshon. And most of them are unproven and long shots, with the exception of Reagor. Even with a healthy Alshon, Reagor will still be seeing the field in 2 WR and 3WR personnel.

57 minutes ago, MR-CYN said:

As soon as someone drops a touchdown tate will be begging for Alshon to come back. He'll be the only thing that can save the season. 🙄

Except no one said that last season when Wentz was throwing to scrubs.