1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

If Goodwin is a no go and they don't trust JJAW then yeah Jeffrey absolutely has a role to play.

 

1 hour ago, MR-CYN said:

As soon as someone drops a touchdown tate will be begging for Alshon to come back. He'll be the only thing that can save the season. 🙄

 

53 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Exactly how I feel. We are stuck with him for another 1-2 seasons because of his contract and he remains the best WR currently on the roster when healthy. If he is healthy there is no reason not to utilize him. He makes the offense and team better. The other young guys will need to prove that they can't be kept off the field before demoting a healthy Alshon. And most of them are unproven and long shots, with the exception of Reagor. Even with a healthy Alshon, Reagor will still be seeing the field in 2 WR and 3WR personnel.

Exactly. Our best hope of a productive WR unit is a healthy Alshon at the X, a healthy Desean at the Z and Reagor in the slot. Ward can also work in.

Now the hope is that one or more of JJAW, Hightower or Watkins can develop so that they can step in  if there are injuries/Alshon isn't ready. If any of them become good enough to beat them out, well great.

I'm really not expecting much from Goodwin, so little production and coming off a really poor season with chronic knee injuries. Don't get why people would rather have this guy starting than Alshon.

33 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Except no one said that last season when Wentz was throwing to scrubs.

Except, he was injured. I know, that excuse only works for one guy on this team. 

F Jeffery. I don't want to hear that sloot Anderson come out with another Wentz bashing Jeffery gave her for the 3rd straight year

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Exactly. Our best hope of a productive WR unit is a healthy Alshon at the X, a healthy Desean at the Z and Reagor in the slot. Ward can also work in.

Yes and no. Id like to see them try the young guys and Goodwin opposite Desean first and foremost. 

1 hour ago, MR-CYN said:

Except, he was injured. I know, that excuse only works for one guy on this team. 

In both scenarios Alshon is injured. 

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

In both scenarios Alshon is injured. 

Wrong. 

I'll say this... I'm legitimately concerned that they are serious about having Alshon be a major part of this offense this year. And if that is the case then that's a bad thing. 

22 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'll say this... I'm legitimately concerned that they are serious about having Alshon be a major part of this offense this year. And if that is the case then that's a bad thing. 

Honestly Bud - you know I respect your views, but I think you are massively blinkered when it comes to Alshon, probably because of the Wentz thing.

Goodwin is not a good receiver. He is probably done. 

The chances of Hightower or Watkins being able to contribute meaningfully is very slim, especially as they will likely have an aborted off-season.

The best alternative is JJAW. But it’s unlikely he will develop into a legitimate starting WR. He might and that’s your best chance of not having Alshon involved as much.

I know you feel that we are not legitimate Super Bowl contenders, but we really are. We have a lot of really good players and if Wentz plays like he did at the end of last year and we can minimise the injuries then we have a real chance.

We need to put out our best players and that likely includes a healthy Alshon.

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

Honestly Bud - you know I respect your views, but I think you are massively blinkered when it comes to Alshon, probably because of the Wentz thing.

It has nothing to do with Wentz. It has nothing to do with those locker room concerns.

I just don't think he's very good anymore and if our 2 main WRs next year are the two guys who won't be here the year after then the FO have failed Wentz.

Let Hightower and Watkins show what they can do in the first few weeks (unless they look truly awful in whatever kind of off season we get). Got to build for the future. Alshon isn't the future. 

32 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It has nothing to do with Wentz. It has nothing to do with those locker room concerns.

I just don't think he's very good anymore and if our 2 main WRs next year are the two guys who won't be here the year after then the FO have failed Wentz.

Let Hightower and Watkins show what they can do in the first few weeks (unless they look truly awful in whatever kind of off season we get). Got to build for the future. Alshon isn't the future. 

I agree with this wanker lol

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It has nothing to do with Wentz. It has nothing to do with those locker room concerns.

I just don't think he's very good anymore and if our 2 main WRs next year are the two guys who won't be here the year after then the FO have failed Wentz.

Let Hightower and Watkins show what they can do in the first few weeks (unless they look truly awful in whatever kind of off season we get). Got to build for the future. Alshon isn't the future. 

You don't build for the future in-season until the season is already lost. This is a playoff contending roster. Silly to give up already.

4 minutes ago, Devaster said:

You don't build for the future in-season until the season is already lost. This is a playoff contending roster. Silly to give up already.

Exactly. It’s the Not For Long league. Alshon might be gone next year. He might not.

Same for a lot of players. But you play to win and the young players will take over if and when they’re ready.

2 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Exactly. It’s the Not For Long league. Alshon might be gone next year. He might not.

Same for a lot of players. But you play to win and the young players will take over if and when they’re ready.

Alshon might be gone next season, but I think you can expect that for a lot of these veteran players with the Eagles projected to be 50 mil over the cap. This is kind of the last hurrah for many of them. 

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Alshon might be gone next season, but I think you can expect that for a lot of these veteran players with the Eagles projected to be 50 mil over the cap. This is kind of the last hurrah for many of them. 

I actually expect Ertz to be traded next year. Can’t see how we can extend both him and Goedert.

But come what may - you play your best team. We have a chance this year.

22 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I actually expect Ertz to be traded next year. Can’t see how we can extend both him and Goedert.

But come what may - you play your best team. We have a chance this year.

Every team realistically has a chance every year. You see it a lot in the NFL where a team goes from worst to first. 

i dont buy the "you play your best team" (Im assuming you mean so called best players on paper)

2017 we did not have the best team of players. We had guys that were like family. There was no one person above the rest. They truly cared more about the guy next to them more then their stats, amount of catches they had, rushes they had, plays they had. Alshon is not that type of guy anymore. Id rather have the same mentality we had on the 2017 team. 

On 5/5/2020 at 9:56 AM, eagle45 said:

I don't think he'll be cut.  I just think he should.

Why does Jeffery need to be the only X WR on the roster?  Is there some unwritten rule that the X WR needs to be slow and lumbering?

Desean can't be relied on to stay healthy, but when he DOES play, at least he still offers something.  Reagor at X, Desean at Z is a lot better than Alshon X and Desean at Z.  

I don't think you guys are grasping how non-viable Alshon will be post recovery as an NFL WR.  I mean it when I say I'd rather have Jordan Matthews.

The X lines up on the LOS (the Z behind).  That gives the Z more of a free release.  The X typically has good size that they use to their advantage to get off the LOS.  Reagor does not have that size.  

9 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The X lines up on the LOS (the Z behind).  That gives the Z more of a free release.  The X typically has good size that they use to their advantage to get off the LOS.  Reagor does not have that size.  

Will have to say in todays game x,z,slot dont really matter much anymore. Players move all around so much, audibles etc there is no dedicated spots anymore on who lines up on the LOS and doesnt. 

41 minutes ago, time2rock said:

The X lines up on the LOS (the Z behind).  That gives the Z more of a free release.  The X typically has good size that they use to their advantage to get off the LOS.  Reagor does not have that size.  

Reagor may be short, but he’s thick and strong, so it’s not going to be easy to toss him around at the LOS.  None of the corners that can run with him can also push him around.  So they can play up on him at their own risk.

You don’t see every team in the nfl with a 6’3” X who runs like a TE.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Every team realistically has a chance every year. You see it a lot in the NFL where a team goes from worst to first. 

i dont buy the "you play your best team" (Im assuming you mean so called best players on paper)

2017 we did not have the best team of players. We had guys that were like family. There was no one person above the rest. They truly cared more about the guy next to them more then their stats, amount of catches they had, rushes they had, plays they had. Alshon is not that type of guy anymore. Id rather have the same mentality we had on the 2017 team. 

We had a stacked team in 2017 minus the QB and LT. And Foles did just fine because the OLine was still great and the weapons on offense were great. And the loss of Peters was not as noticeable by facing some of the weaker pass rushes in the playoffs. The defensive line rotation was amazing that season.

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

We had a stacked team in 2017 minus the QB and LT. And Foles did just fine because the OLine was still great and the weapons on offense were great. And the loss of Peters was not as noticeable by facing some of the weaker pass rushes in the playoffs. The defensive line rotation was amazing that season.

You call them stacked now cause we won the SB. Going into that year Im sure you were singing a different tune. No on said we had a stacked team in preseason. No one thought we were going that far. We had some good players but not the most talented team in the NFL. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

You call them stacked now cause we won the SB. Going into that year Im sure you were singing a different tune. No on said we had a stacked team in preseason. No one thought we were going that far. We had some good players but not the most talented team in the NFL. 

The team was pretty well stacked at some of the most important positions like DLine, OLine, and QB. And the weapons on offense were healthy at the right time. Winning a SB is definitely the culmination of a lot of luck, but the Eagles were a good team on paper that season.

Teams that win play their best players and the Eagles did just that that season.

The message was clear. Drafted JJAW last year, this year drafted 3 WRs and traded for another. 

They want big change at the WR position. 

May the best players play regardless of contract or draft position. 

On 5/5/2020 at 11:54 AM, Redzonemadness said:

I agree that Alshon may no longer be a true WR1, and his trade value is nonexistent.  But cutting doesn't help in any way cap wise. 

Eagles do have a numbers problem at WR now, and they definitely would want to give the younglings the opportunity to grow. 

So probably it would be ideal if Alshon start in PUP, which he very well be health wise..

Then punt his activation to if/when someone else in WR goes to injured list/ suspension/cut /traded/ whatever. 

he will get traded or cut in 2021. will barely play in 2020. 

9 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Every team realistically has a chance every year. You see it a lot in the NFL where a team goes from worst to first. 

i dont buy the "you play your best team" (Im assuming you mean so called best players on paper)

2017 we did not have the best team of players. We had guys that were like family. There was no one person above the rest. They truly cared more about the guy next to them more then their stats, amount of catches they had, rushes they had, plays they had. Alshon is not that type of guy anymore. Id rather have the same mentality we had on the 2017 team. 

 

7 hours ago, Devaster said:

We had a stacked team in 2017 minus the QB and LT. And Foles did just fine because the OLine was still great and the weapons on offense were great. And the loss of Peters was not as noticeable by facing some of the weaker pass rushes in the playoffs. The defensive line rotation was amazing that season.

So Jeffery’s suddenly turned into a bad guy? Or he made a mistake last year that has been blown out of proportion by some of the idiots in the local media. I’m just not buying AJ as some sort of locker room poison.

Yep - it was a good team in 2017. Foles was exceptional in those last 2 games, some of those throws were incredible. Wentz also played his best football before that.

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It has nothing to do with Wentz. It has nothing to do with those locker room concerns.

I just don't think he's very good anymore and if our 2 main WRs next year are the two guys who won't be here the year after then the FO have failed Wentz.

Let Hightower and Watkins show what they can do in the first few weeks (unless they look truly awful in whatever kind of off season we get). Got to build for the future. Alshon isn't the future. 

How many WR1's not breaking 1000yards would Wentz / Doug need to get through before we can be allowed to consider that the problem isn't the WR's by the way? Genuine question, if Reagor tops out as a 750yard guy, is that his fault, Doug's offense, Howie's or Wentz?

It just seems the best WR type for this teams offense is always the one we don't have or the 'young' (and fast, can't forget fast) one that Wentz has 2 years to build 'chemistry' with.