5 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

So Jeffery’s suddenly turned into a bad guy? Or he made a mistake last year that has been blown out of proportion by some of the idiots in the local media. I’m just not buying AJ as some sort of locker room poison.

Yep - it was a good team in 2017. Foles was exceptional in those last 2 games, some of those throws were incredible. Wentz also played his best football before that.

Yes, you saw a big difference in Alshon's attitude after the SB year. Wentz was hurt and couldnt really move well resulting in Etrz getting a ton of balls being in the middle of the field and easiest to throw to. Alshon made that know he was not happy about that. Alshon turned into a Foles guy and has not been happy here since Foles left. Everyone sees the disconnect between him and Wentz and Im sure its felt in the locker room. Theres a reason why there has been so much talk about Alshon and if he will be here. Yes he might this year mostly on IR but I think we all know he wont be here in 2021 and only reason he will tech be on the team in 2020 is due to cap reasons. 

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Yes, you saw a big difference in Alshon's attitude after the SB year. Wentz was hurt and couldnt really move well resulting in Etrz getting a ton of balls being in the middle of the field and easiest to throw to. Alshon made that know he was not happy about that. Alshon turned into a Foles guy and has not been happy here since Foles left. Everyone sees the disconnect between him and Wentz and Im sure its felt in the locker room. Theres a reason why there has been so much talk about Alshon and if he will be here. Yes he might this year mostly on IR but I think we all know he wont be here in 2021 and only reason he will tech be on the team in 2020 is due to cap reasons. 

lolwut

2 hours ago, Devaster said:

lolwut

I get the fact you dont live here so you dont see the interviews after the games on the local news. Alshon has slipped at times showing his frustration with not getting the ball more with little hints in his comments. Plenty of past stories about it from reporters in the locker room. This one is pretty telling with Alshon's connection on the field with Foles compared to Wentz. 62+ % Foles threw the ball Alshons way. Only 22 % Wentz throws to Alshon. Wentz asked his to come for a off season bonding, Alshons says no. Yes now that Foles is gone, Alshon has no choice but to try and make good. But the damage is done.

Id bet come 2021 week 1, Alshon is not on this team. People can live in the dark if they want saying he made a mistake, hes going to make good. But lets be honest and think if you are the Eagles, is your mind changing? No. They will do what they can to protect the most important player on the field and in the locker room. If it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. 

Ive said it plenty of times. i see Alshon sitting on IR all season. I dont see him hitting the field or the locker room to dress. 

Just one of many you can find. 

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/11/eagles-alshon-jeffery-ignored-carson-wentz-trip/

14 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Id bet come 2021 week 1, Alshon is not on this team.

Yeah he's definitely not going to be here in 2021 but I think most recognise that? The big question is whether he's here in 2020? 

19 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I get the fact you dont live here so you dont see the interviews after the games on the local news. Alshon has slipped at times showing his frustration with not getting the ball more with little hints in his comments. Plenty of past stories about it from reporters in the locker room. This one is pretty telling with Alshon's connection on the field with Foles compared to Wentz. 62+ % Foles threw the ball Alshons way. Only 22 % Wentz throws to Alshon. Wentz asked his to come for a off season bonding, Alshons says no. Yes now that Foles is gone, Alshon has no choice but to try and make good. But the damage is done.

Id bet come 2021 week 1, Alshon is not on this team. People can live in the dark if they want saying he made a mistake, hes going to make good. But lets be honest and think if you are the Eagles, is your mind changing? No. They will do what they can to protect the most important player on the field and in the locker room. If it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. 

Ive said it plenty of times. i see Alshon sitting on IR all season. I dont see him hitting the field or the locker room to dress. 

Just one of many you can find. 

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/11/eagles-alshon-jeffery-ignored-carson-wentz-trip/

But you’re going to ignore what Wentz himself said on Thursday or in December about Alshon? 
 

If there were issues, Wentz had dealt with them like a man and appreciates a healthy Alshon will help.

11 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

But you’re going to ignore what Wentz himself said on Thursday or in December about Alshon? 
 

If there were issues, Wentz had dealt with them like a man and appreciates a healthy Alshon will help.

Ill stay in my corner with 90% of the rest of the fans being realistic that Alshon's days are numbered in Philly and if it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. You can go with the other 10%. Everyone can have their views. I just know this team and FO from past experiences and Ive seen this before with other players and how the team has handled it. So Ill stay with the majority view. 

What's Wentz suppose to say? Put him on blast and not only make things worse in case they can't get rid of Alshon, but also diminish whatever if any trade value he has left? Wentz is towing the company line, it's what he's suppose to do.

37 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ill stay in my corner with 90% of the rest of the fans being realistic that Alshon's days are numbered in Philly and if it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. You can go with the other 10%. Everyone can have their views. I just know this team and FO from past experiences and Ive seen this before with other players and how the team has handled it. So Ill stay with the majority view. 

Everyone knows his days are numbered due to his injury history, age, and contract. But currently there is no way out of that contract without taking a significant cap hit this season and next. If the Eagles want to move on and take that cap hit they can do that, but the team loses a potential #1 WR. And that cap hit would reduce the overall available cap to sign additional players to replace the loss of Jeffery.

I'd rather have a healthy Jeffery than no Jeffery for this season and potentially next season.

41 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

What's Wentz suppose to say? Put him on blast and not only make things worse in case they can't get rid of Alshon, but also diminish whatever if any trade value he has left? Wentz is towing the company line, it's what he's suppose to do.

No - but there is an in between. He could just say he has no problem with Jeffery.

But he hasn’t. He’s said:

”I love that guy” and that they have "a great relationship”

I don’t believe Carson would say that if there were major issues.

56 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Ill stay in my corner with 90% of the rest of the fans being realistic that Alshon's days are numbered in Philly and if it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. You can go with the other 10%. Everyone can have their views. I just know this team and FO from past experiences and Ive seen this before with other players and how the team has handled it. So Ill stay with the majority view. 

Fine so you’re saying he won’t play for the Eagles this year.

I’m saying he will when he’s healthy. I’ll come on here and eat crow if I’m wrong. Hope that you will do the same.

I would think if anyone could offload Jeffrey and mitigate the cap hit as much as possible it would be Howie and I'm sure he's tried.  It's just a situation where he never should have given him that contract and they're stuck.

Jeffrey is almost like Sproles in this regard - he will become active when healthy, go in and make some plays but not be the feature player.  We'll see what happens but if Reagor is off to a good start, Jackson healthy and playing well and one other receiver contributing in a positive way (I say that because last year toward the end it was the TEs and a bunch of scrubs) then the offense should probably be doing just fine along with the TEs and Sanders.  If Jackson gets hurt again and you've got Reagor and the other WRs not doing so well, then Jeffrey comes back and has more opportunity there.  

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah he's definitely not going to be here in 2021 but I think most recognise that? The big question is whether he's here in 2020? 

He is all but certain to be here. His contract guarantees that. 

Who knows when the season will even begin?  Maybe they'll put him on IR/Return Designation and park him for the first half of the season. If the season starts a few weeks late, he could be healthy enough to contribute in very tough back half of the season.  I'll take that.  

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

He is all but certain to be here. His contract guarantees that. 

Who knows when the season will even begin?  Maybe they'll put him on IR/Return Designation and park him for the first half of the season. If the season starts a few weeks late, he could be healthy enough to contribute in very tough back half of the season.  I'll take that.  

He'll be here in 2020 yes. Not 2021.

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

He'll be here in 2020 yes. Not 2021.

Certainly possible. Eagles will have to eat some cap for that to happen. Releasing/trading him post 6/1 for a veteran player is really frowned upon. The overall ~8mil in cap savings might be something the Eagles will want to do.

22 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I get the fact you dont live here so you dont see the interviews after the games on the local news. Alshon has slipped at times showing his frustration with not getting the ball more with little hints in his comments. Plenty of past stories about it from reporters in the locker room. This one is pretty telling with Alshon's connection on the field with Foles compared to Wentz. 62+ % Foles threw the ball Alshons way. Only 22 % Wentz throws to Alshon. Wentz asked his to come for a off season bonding, Alshons says no. Yes now that Foles is gone, Alshon has no choice but to try and make good. But the damage is done.

Id bet come 2021 week 1, Alshon is not on this team. People can live in the dark if they want saying he made a mistake, hes going to make good. But lets be honest and think if you are the Eagles, is your mind changing? No. They will do what they can to protect the most important player on the field and in the locker room. If it wasnt for his contract he would be gone already. 

Ive said it plenty of times. i see Alshon sitting on IR all season. I dont see him hitting the field or the locker room to dress. 

Just one of many you can find. 

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/11/eagles-alshon-jeffery-ignored-carson-wentz-trip/

This is the biggest BS rumor that floats around out there.  Seriously though - 62% compared to 22%?  Where did you pull that crap from?  It has been refuted time and time again that Alshon actually received MORE targets with Wentz as the QB.  

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

Certainly possible. Eagles will have to eat some cap for that to happen. Releasing/trading him post 6/1 for a veteran player is really frowned upon. The overall ~8mil in cap savings might be something the Eagles will want to do.

I'm pretty sure they keep him for this coming year, cut or trade him before the next. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm pretty sure they keep him for this coming year, cut or trade him before the next. 

There is no reason not to keep him this year. There aren't any cap savings by cutting/trading him. It actually hurts the cap situation by doing that. Next season, as you can see, there are savings by cutting/trading him, but at the cost of dead cap.

An example for those that don't understand the cap. Using 2021 as an example since it would hurt the team quite a bit by cutting him in 2020.

If the team has 180mil cap and Jeffery counts against the cap for 18mil, that leaves 162mil for the rest of the roster.

If the team cuts/trades Jeffery before 6/1 then the overall team cap is reduced to 170mil (due to the 10mil dead cap hit) and there is a savings of ~8mil in 2021 since the 162mil is already accounted for by the rest of the roster.

If the team cuts/trades Jeffery after 6/1 then the overall team cap is reduced to 175mil in 2021 and also 175mil in 2022 (the 10 mil dead cap spread across that season and the next). And the overall savings would be ~13mil in 2021.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm pretty sure they keep him for this coming year, cut or trade him before the next. 

Yeah they are not going to deal with him 2 years they will just eat that 10 million in 2021. They probably don't even want him this year but they are in a little bit more trouble cap wise this year

37 minutes ago, Devaster said:

There is no reason not to keep him this year. There aren't any cap savings by cutting/trading him. It actually hurts the cap situation by doing that. Next season, as you can see, there are savings by cutting/trading him, but at the cost of dead cap.

I keep saying this... Yes they will keep him this year. 

5 hours ago, hputenis said:

This is the biggest BS rumor that floats around out there.  Seriously though - 62% compared to 22%?  Where did you pull that crap from?  It has been refuted time and time again that Alshon actually received MORE targets with Wentz as the QB.  

It's in the article but I did take wrong number. It's 57% Wentz, 65% Foles.  % wise, though still favors Foles on a lot less attempts. 

The number I mistaken was throws over 20 yards to Alshon. Wentz was 22%, Foles 47%

43 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

It's in the article but I did take wrong number. It's 57% Wentz, 65% Foles.  % wise, though still favors Foles on a lot less attempts. 

The number I mistaken was throws over 20 yards to Alshon. Wentz was 22%, Foles 47%

Numbers tend to be skewed higher when the sample size is smaller.

Jimmy Kempski made a great point about Alshon.

Some have pointed to that Miami game as a sign he's still got it. 9 catches for 136 yards and a TD (on 17 targets it should be added). But go back and watch it. Look at who was covering him. 

That also meant that over 25% of his yards game in one game. So the rest of the year when healthy he didn't do much at all. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Jimmy Kempski made a great point about Alshon.

Some have pointed to that Miami game as a sign he's still got it. 9 catches for 136 yards and a TD (on 17 targets it should be added). But go back and watch it. Look at who was covering him. 

That also meant that over 25% of his yards game in one game. So the rest of the year when healthy he didn't do much at all. 

That might be a sensible argument if people weren't calling for rookies and Ward to get his roster spot, who was covering Ward in our games against bottom feeding teams down the stretch?

24 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That might be a sensible argument if people weren't calling for rookies and Ward to get his roster spot, who was covering Ward in our games against bottom feeding teams down the stretch?

Id rather they went with rookies than Jeffrey no doubt. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Jimmy Kempski made a great point about Alshon.

Some have pointed to that Miami game as a sign he's still got it. 9 catches for 136 yards and a TD (on 17 targets it should be added). But go back and watch it. Look at who was covering him. 

That also meant that over 25% of his yards game in one game. So the rest of the year when healthy he didn't do much at all. 

 

38 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That might be a sensible argument if people weren't calling for rookies and Ward to get his roster spot, who was covering Ward in our games against bottom feeding teams down the stretch?

 

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Id rather they went with rookies than Jeffrey no doubt. 

Alshon basically played in 8 games and had 490 yards and 5 TDs. That works out as 980 yards and 10 TDs over a full season. You'll take that. Most receivers have a big game or two to boost their stats. It's not like he was shut out in the other games. He was also clearly playing hurt (he won't be 100% coming off that LisFranc either, but it shows he can be effective)

UK - you say you would rather they went with rookies, but how many 5th/6th rounders do you see who are effective in their first year? Most will never put up more than a couple of hundred yards in a season. 

Do you really want to see Wentz taking unnecessary hits as he watches Hightower and Watkins run the wrong routes or get swallowed up by NFL cornerbacks?