49 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Alshon basically played in 8 games and had 490 yards and 5 TDs. That works out as 980 yards and 10 TDs over a full season. You'll take that. Most receivers have a big game or two to boost their stats. It's not like he was shut out in the other games. He was also clearly playing hurt (he won't be 100% coming off that LisFranc either, but it shows he can be effective)

UK - you say you would rather they went with rookies, but how many 5th/6th rounders do you see who are effective in their first year? Most will never put up more than a couple of hundred yards in a season. 

Do you really want to see Wentz taking unnecessary hits as he watches Hightower and Watkins run the wrong routes or get swallowed up by NFL cornerbacks?

And as I pointed out 136 of those and a TD came against Miami. A Miami secondary who were majorly banged up. Take those off and recalculate.

As I've said it's not about this year, it's about long term. Why have Jeffrey out there and lose out on Hightower and Watkins gaining experience and time with Wentz? For a guy who isn't that good anymore and won't be here in 2021?

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And as I pointed out 136 of those and a TD came against Miami. A Miami secondary who were majorly banged up. Take those off and recalculate.

As I've said it's not about this year, it's about long term. Why have Jeffrey out there and lose out on Hightower and Watkins gaining experience and time with Wentz? For a guy who isn't that good anymore and won't be here in 2021?

Those guys need to show they are a better option than Alshon to unseat him and deserve playing time. Throwing rookies out there just to hope they progress is a terrible idea. They need to deserve to be out there.

20 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Those guys need to show they are a better option than Alshon to unseat him and deserve playing time. Throwing rookies out there just to hope they progress is a terrible idea. They need to deserve to be out there.

Exactly this. We saw it with JJAW and Hollins last year and it was a car crash.

If Jeffery gets beaten out by the younger guys then that’s fine. But if he’s healthy and the best option he needs to be out there.

Alshon is worth more to us than he is any other team at the moment.  Even if he can't / doesn't start when he comes back he's still a good option in jump ball and red zone situations.  I have no problem keeping capable receivers on the roster after the parade of injuries we have experienced at that position over the last few years. 

2 hours ago, Devaster said:

Those guys need to show they are a better option than Alshon to unseat him and deserve playing time. Throwing rookies out there just to hope they progress is a terrible idea. They need to deserve to be out there.

Which is why I've said, on a number of occasions, put Jeffrey on PUP or IR. See what they've got and he's a fallback if it isn't working. That's why him being healthy for week one i don't think is a good thing. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And as I pointed out 136 of those and a TD came against Miami. A Miami secondary who were majorly banged up. Take those off and recalculate.

As I've said it's not about this year, it's about long term. Why have Jeffrey out there and lose out on Hightower and Watkins gaining experience and time with Wentz? For a guy who isn't that good anymore and won't be here in 2021?

 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Which is why I've said, on a number of occasions, put Jeffrey on PUP or IR. See what they've got and he's a fallback if it isn't working. That's why him being healthy for week one i don't think is a good thing. 

Okay - Miami secondary was banged up. And yet, two of the realistic options to replace Jeffery, Ward and JJAW, had 20 yards receiving between them in that game. Ertz had 3 catches for 24 yards. Surely those guys should have been putting up good numbers as well?

Even if you take that game out, which is as stupid as ignoring games in which Jeffery had very good to elite cornerbacks on him, then Jeffery's numbers were still pretty good. Works out at 800 yards and 8/9 TDs over a full season. You really think that's easy to replicate? 

Jeffery may well be gone in 2021. But I wouldn't bank on it. If JJAW is a bust, which he may not be, but it definitely doesn't look good, then we don't have any other physical receivers like him. Jackson will be 34. Reagor looks great, but is better suited as Jackson's replacement and/or in the slot. Ward is a practice squad receiver who did pretty well against some pretty bad D's (which by your logic we should discount). Goodwin is a limited veteran who has had one decent season in 7 and is coming off chronic knee issues. Hightower and Watkins are flyers. More likely than not they are at best special teamers and role players.

Putting Jeffery on PUP may very well be what we have to do anyway. But honestly, he will most likely be one of our top 3 receivers this year.  As for Hightower and Watkins - the coaches will see in practice if they are capable of starting. If they can't get open against our practice squad receivers for example or are struggling to learn the routes, then you don't put them out there unless you have no other choice.

5 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Jeffery may well be gone in 2021. But I wouldn't bank on it.

Jeffrey will absolutely be gone bud. In 2021 he will be. 

The top receiving threats will be:

Ertz, Jackson, Reagor and Goedert.

JJAW and any other receiver who makes the team are getting limited catches after those 4.

When Jeffrey comes back from injury he'll get into the mix. 

11 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Jeffrey will absolutely be gone bud. In 2021 he will be. 

You are probably right my friend, but I wouldn't complete rule it out. What if Jeffery goes on PUP but then comes back and in 10 games puts up 600 yards and 6 TDs and stays healthy. DJack will turn 34 and it's highly likely our 5th and 6th rounders won't be more than role players. If JJAW can't develop into a starter I think the team would consider about keeping Jeffery for another year.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

You are probably right my friend, but I wouldn't complete rule it out. What if Jeffery goes on PUP but then comes back and in 10 games puts up 600 yards and 6 TDs and stays healthy. DJack will turn 34 and it's highly likely our 5th and 6th rounders won't be more than role players. If JJAW can't develop into a starter I think the team would consider about keeping Jeffery for another year.

I mean sure if Jeffrey shows life? Then yeah he becomes a player you keep to delay needing to address the position majorly whilst you address other issues. I just think that's very very unlikely. 

22 hours ago, The Norseman said:

Alshon is worth more to us than he is any other team at the moment.  Even if he can't / doesn't start when he comes back he's still a good option in jump ball and red zone situations.  I have no problem keeping capable receivers on the roster after the parade of injuries we have experienced at that position over the last few years. 

Which is indicative of how little the front office cares to shore up the receiver position.

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

The top receiving threats will be:

Ertz, Jackson, Reagor and Goedert.

JJAW and any other receiver who makes the team are getting limited catches after those 4.

When Jeffrey comes back from injury he'll get into the mix. 

And of course we have a couple of really good receiving back in Miles Sanders and Boston Scott. 

The reason I'm not worried about wide receiver as much as some people is that we are so stacked at TE/receiving backs. Goedert/Ertz/Sanders and Scott should comfortably put up 2250 - 2500 yards together. 

If we can get 10-12 games out of Jackson, 8-10 out of Jeffery and if Reagor can be reasonably productive, then we should be in good shape on O. We definitely at least have a few players who can stretch the field now and help open things up underneath.

On 5/9/2020 at 7:48 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Alshon basically played in 8 games and had 490 yards and 5 TDs. That works out as 980 yards and 10 TDs over a full season. You'll take that. Most receivers have a big game or two to boost their stats. It's not like he was shut out in the other games. He was also clearly playing hurt (he won't be 100% coming off that LisFranc either, but it shows he can be effective)

UK - you say you would rather they went with rookies, but how many 5th/6th rounders do you see who are effective in their first year? Most will never put up more than a couple of hundred yards in a season. 

Do you really want to see Wentz taking unnecessary hits as he watches Hightower and Watkins run the wrong routes or get swallowed up by NFL cornerbacks?

Considering Alshon has a serious foot injury and won't be able to walk when the season starts.............yes, I would take the other receivers over him.  Not sure why people aren't getting that factor.  

46 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Considering Alshon has a serious foot injury and won't be able to walk when the season starts.............yes, I would take the other receivers over him.  Not sure why people aren't getting that factor.  

I don't think we know that. I'm pretty sure he'll be walking by week one. Whether he'll be good to go is another matter. 

4 hours ago, AngryBird said:

Which is indicative of how little the front office cares to shore up the receiver position.

4 draft picks and 2 veteran trades in 2 years.  

8 minutes ago, NOTW said:

4 draft picks and 2 veteran trades in 2 years.  

I think people confuse using resources with using resources on players that contribute. 

17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

4 draft picks and 2 veteran trades in 2 years.  

It's incompetence, not apathy for sure.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

It's incompetence, not apathy for sure.

I think I understand your thinking but there were some pretty good receivers - likely better than Hightower and Watkins - available at pick 53. I hope Hightower and Watkins work out, I only hope they're more than just fast. 40 times don't put points on the scoreboard.

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

4 draft picks and 2 veteran trades in 2 years.  

Don't forget resigning alshon after the super bowl to sure up at least one spot. Obviously the guaranteeing his contract back fired but extending him after the super bowl was a no brainer

10 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Don't forget resigning alshon after the super bowl to sure up at least one spot. Obviously the guaranteeing his contract back fired but extending him after the super bowl was a no brainer

Yeah that was a good move at the time. That restructure last September/October though was dumb. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah that was a good move at the time. That restructure last September/October though was dumb. 

It helped the team make a run last season and manage the cap last season. That is the nature of restructures. It frees up cap in the current season, delaying the inevitable roadblock to a later season. Which is currently what 2020/2021 looks like for Alshon's contract without another restructure. And they shouldn't restructure it again unless they think they have a legitimate chance of going all the way this season.

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

It helped the team make a run last season and manage the cap last season. That is the nature of restructures. It frees up cap in the current season, delaying the inevitable roadblock to a later season. Which is currently what 2020/2021 looks like for Alshon's contract without another restructure. And they shouldn't restructure it again unless they think they have a legitimate chance of going all the way this season.

Agreed Howie has to take the L on this one. Take the hit, accept the cap hit and move him on next year.

On 5/9/2020 at 10:14 AM, ManchesterEagle said:

Exactly this. We saw it with JJAW and Hollins last year and it was a car crash.

If Jeffery gets beaten out by the younger guys then that’s fine. But if he’s healthy and the best option he needs to be out there.

No one should assume any of these young guys will be the answer. We need to see them out there first. The Eagles have drafted fast young guys before and they couldn’t catch the ball in the NFL beyond 5 yards. Josh Huff comes to mind.

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

No one should assume any of these young guys will be the answer. We need to see them out there first. The Eagles have drafted fast young guys before and they couldn’t catch the ball in the NFL beyond 5 yards. Josh Huff comes to mind.

And that's why I'd like to see them start the season on the roster and get opportunities. I know that's a risk but I very much believe this team is building for the future and not 2020. They've got to be given the opportunities to see what they can do at the NFL level. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And that's why I'd like to see them start the season on the roster and get opportunities. I know that's a risk but I very much believe this team is building for the future and not 2020. They've got to be given the opportunities to see what they can do at the NFL level. 

I believe that Roseman can find ways around the cap, but realistically the Eagles after 2020 will need to make a lot of changes in order to become cap compliant. I do think they need to revamp this team, but that kind of means this year is really their last shot before they make big changes. With that being the case I’m still not sure if Alshon plays for them next season. I mean I wouldn’t be shocked either way at this point.