Just been thinking about this situation again and the more I think about it the more I think it's a really bad situation for us if Alshon is going to be good to go before week 7. If he is but not until say week 5 we will waste a roster spot on him. With a group of WRs where one is the wrong side of 30 and misses games and then the rest basically all rookies. 

On 5/23/2020 at 6:12 AM, EazyEaglez said:

I think there has been a lot of people questioning Jackson and if he were still injured like Jeffery people would likely pile on about getting rid of him too. Even when Jackson was in his prime and Kelly dumped him I remember a lot of people who thought that was a good idea. On a side note the Eagles just got Goodwin for a swap of 6th round picks, so the fact the Eagles couldn’t trade Jackson coming off his best season was just horrible. 

I was against bringing him back in the offseason last year. That first game last year proved to me he still had the speed last year. After the surgery and being a year older I don't know. Little worried father time may hit him hard too. Hopefully he stays healthy long enough and keeps his speed though. Jackson and Reagor on the field at once will be fun to watch

Problem is he's got to stay regardless because although we added options we added mostly rookies so we don't know what we have there. 

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I was against bringing him back in the offseason last year. That first game last year proved to me he still had the speed last year. After the surgery and being a year older I don't know. Little worried father time may hit him hard too. Hopefully he stays healthy long enough and keeps his speed though. Jackson and Reagor on the field at once will be fun to watch

I’m approaching the season as if he isn’t even on the roster. And games he plays and production he provides is an added bonus to me. 

10 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m approaching the season as if he isn’t even on the roster. And games he plays and production he provides is an added bonus to me. 

And I hope that's the case. I hope he misses the first few weeks I really do. But if he's on the active roster week one but without being ready to go then it's a complete waste. Let's see what the young players have. 

This is one of those mangled, "too many variables" situations that is hard to figure out. I hope the young guys can get it going, and AJ maybe helps out later somehow. 

16 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I was against bringing him back in the offseason last year. That first game last year proved to me he still had the speed last year. After the surgery and being a year older I don't know. Little worried father time may hit him hard too. Hopefully he stays healthy long enough and keeps his speed though. Jackson and Reagor on the field at once will be fun to watch

DJack isn’t getting any younger as you mentioned but maybe he can stay healthy. If he can he’s a legit weapon for the Eagles, but I feel like we have saying "if he can stay healthy” for a lot of guys and for a lot of seasons now. 

On 5/27/2020 at 12:59 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Just been thinking about this situation again and the more I think about it the more I think it's a really bad situation for us if Alshon is going to be good to go before week 7. If he is but not until say week 5 we will waste a roster spot on him. With a group of WRs where one is the wrong side of 30 and misses games and then the rest basically all rookies. 

 

On 5/27/2020 at 10:44 PM, Talonblood said:

This is one of those mangled, "too many variables" situations that is hard to figure out. I hope the young guys can get it going, and AJ maybe helps out later somehow. 

Talon - agreed - so much uncertainty at the position.

I think we just have to be open minded. If it doesn't look like Alshon will be ready until around week 5 - then we still PUP him in my view. If we think he could help from week 2 or 3 then we probably have him on the roster.

I've said all along that the best chance of Alshon not being needed much is for JJAW to step up. The chances of Goodwin, Hightower or Watkins being able to contribute meaningfully are very slim. I have high hopes for DJax, Ward and Reagor, but they all have question marks as well.

We just have to see how it plays out, especially with this crazy world right now. 

5 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I think we just have to be open minded. If it doesn't look like Alshon will be ready until around week 5 - then we still PUP him in my view. If we think he could help from week 2 or 3 then we probably have him on the roster.

I'm open minded enough about it but I do just worry if he misses a few weeks but is on the active roster. That's a real issue for a team who right now only have Desean, who misses games, as their recognised NFL WR.

On 5/30/2020 at 2:36 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I'm open minded enough about it but I do just worry if he misses a few weeks but is on the active roster. That's a real issue for a team who right now only have Desean, who misses games, as their recognised NFL WR.

I truly think Reagor will have a really good rookie season (I know you are high on him too). But I agree there is so much uncertainty there.

I’m just really confused with what the Eagles did in the draft at wide receiver after Reagor. The chances of Hightower and Watkins being able to meaningfully contribute this year is so slim and if JJAW doesn’t step up, you potentially have to carry 3 WRs on the roster (think one of Watkins or Hightower will dislocate their eyebrow in mysterious fashion though and land on IR.)

 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I truly think Reagor will have a really good rookie season (I know you are high on him too). But I agree there is so much uncertainty there.

I’m just really confused with what the Eagles did in the draft at wide receiver after Reagor. The chances of Hightower and Watkins being able to meaningfully contribute this year is so slim and if JJAW doesn’t step up, you potentially have to carry 3 WRs on the roster (think one of Watkins or Hightower will dislocate their eyebrow in mysterious fashion though and land on IR.)

 

Yeah I mean right now I don't think we can say this WR group is much better than last year can we?

Reagor absolutely yes but he's a rookie so he may need time. I like the potential of both Hightower and Watkins but I mean the chances of them giving us meaningful production this year are slim. And i like Goodwin too but we all know the issues there. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I mean right now I don't think we can say this WR group is much better than last year can we?

Reagor absolutely yes but he's a rookie so he may need time. I like the potential of both Hightower and Watkins but I mean the chances of them giving us meaningful production this year are slim. And i like Goodwin too but we all know the issues there. 

When you look at the position coming into the year, then certainly we were in better shape last year. Jackson and Jeffery were both a year younger and had generally played most games in a season. Agholor had turned a corner and put in two pretty good years and although he wasn't going to be what we hoped for a first rounder, looked a good number 2/3. Hollins was overrated by some, but seemed a solid depth chart player. We got a big receiver in JJAW in the second.

As it turned out Jackson was good for a game. Jeffery did okay for half the year, but was clearly playing hurt and missed half the year. Agholor, Hollins and JJAW were all pretty much unplayable.

Having said that - everything that could go wrong, did go wrong last year. I truly believe it will go better. But just some really odd decisions.

10 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Having said that - everything that could go wrong, did go wrong last year. I truly believe it will go better. But just some really odd decisions.

I may regret saying this but... Let's be honest I'm not sure it could go much worse this year could it? Like you say everything that could go wrong did go wrong. 

Feels like this belongs here

Josina Anderson is out at ESPN

Good riddance! 

2 hours ago, FastFreddie said:

Feels like this belongs here

 

Good riddance! 

You slightly got my hopes up then that Alshon had been cut. 

😁

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You slightly got my hopes up then that Alshon had been cut. 

😁

So youd be happy we get worse at WR?

56 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

So youd be happy we get worse at WR?

Id be happy to see the young guys get a real chance...

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Id be happy to see the young guys get a real chance...

Guess they'll get that in preseason and the whatever weeks Alshon is out for.

13 hours ago, FastFreddie said:

Feels like this belongs here

Josina Anderson is out at ESPN

Good riddance! 

 

 

8 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Guess they'll get that in preseason and the whatever weeks Alshon is out for.

If there is a preseason. 

14 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

So youd be happy we get worse at WR?

 

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Id be happy to see the young guys get a real chance...

The young guys will get a chance and Reagor particularly will get all the playing time he can handle.

But who else do you want to get significant playing time? JJAW? He may improve sure, but the aborted offseason will hurt him. How many 5th or 6th round receivers are ever effective, let alone in their first season.

Play the best receivers and if that's Alshon when he's healthy, then that's who should be out there most of the time. Give the young guys a chance to grow and develop. If they are good enough, they will get playing time.

On 5/27/2020 at 12:59 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Just been thinking about this situation again and the more I think about it the more I think it's a really bad situation for us if Alshon is going to be good to go before week 7. If he is but not until say week 5 we will waste a roster spot on him. With a group of WRs where one is the wrong side of 30 and misses games and then the rest basically all rookies. 

 

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

You slightly got my hopes up then that Alshon had been cut. 

😁

 

13 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Id be happy to see the young guys get a real chance...

Genuine question with all your constant Jeffery stuff, what is it you want the team to do at WR?  Lets be clear If we keep Jeffery on the Roster, we aren't signing anyone else at WR, if we IR him we aren't signing anyone else at close to his talent level when he's fit to play at WR.  We are better off with a healthy Jeffery than any of what I think is your preferred options, the guy does know how to play WR in the NFL, which is a step up from 80% of the rest of the WR room.

The WR situation stands or falls on Reagor, if he goes off for around a 1000yards we're good, if he struggles to 500 yards, the offense is going to look much the same as last year.

 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

 

 

Genuine question with all your constant Jeffery stuff, what is it you want the team to do at WR?  Lets be clear If we keep Jeffery on the Roster, we aren't signing anyone else at WR, if we IR him we aren't signing anyone else at close to his talent level when he's fit to play at WR.  We are better off with a healthy Jeffery than any of what I think is your preferred options, the guy does know how to play WR in the NFL, which is a step up from 80% of the rest of the WR room.

The WR situation stands or falls on Reagor, if he goes off for around a 1000yards we're good, if he struggles to 500 yards, the offense is going to look much the same as last year.

 

Right - there are question marks all over the WR room. Jackson looked good in one game last year - but is injury prone and will be 34. Ward had a solid 6 games, but is limited in both size and speed and we really only have a small sample size.

Reagor I'm excited for as you say. But he will be playing slot and Z if he can go.

JJAW still could improve, but it doesn't look good at the moment.

Goodwin absolutely sucked last year. He was worse than Agholor and in 7 years has had one season over 500 yards. He's coming off major knee surgery. 

The other two rookies are flyers. The hope is they develop, but it would most likely be a disaster if we need to give them serious playing time next year.

Alshon, even when injured, is a legitimate NFL starting WR and red zone threat that teams have to account for. His contract is bad yes, but we are stuck with it, so let him play when he is ready. The team is better with him right now.

Regarding the young guys, fans often evaluate rookies and think they're going to make this huge impact.  You have to be realistic.  Reagor as the 1st rounder better be a day 1 starter and would be expected to contribute the most.  Even then, with the offseason during coronavirus every team and rookie class will be facing new challenges.

But Hightower and Watkins are later round picks who you expect to need time to develop.  Think about Hollins, Gibson, Huff, etc.  Your expectation would be for them to learn the NFL and the playbook, contribute on special teams and if they show the team something they will get put into some plays here and there.  If someone emerges and plays so well they can't keep them off the field then you might see more of them.

Look at Goedert.  He could have started as a rookie if they didn't have Ertz and even he was brought along slowly and only got more touches toward the end of his rookie year.

The top receiving targets will be Ertz, Jackson, Goedert and Reagor. Add Jeffrey when he's back healthy.  You have Godwin, Ward, JJAW, Hightower and Watkins competing to make the roster and once they do compete for reps.  

I think the Eagles put themselves in a good position with WR.  While I hoped for better guys in the top rounds, I still like Reagor and I think they got good value with Hightower and Watkins.  You don't expect every one of them to work out, but they now can have this season to develop the young guys and see what they have for 2021.  You want Reagor to have a great rookie year of course, but then you have JJAW to see if he makes any kind of progress (I don't like the looks of him so far but we'll see), and the other rookies.  Going into 2021 then you have 2nd and 3rd year players that should be your WR core if things go well.

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Right - there are question marks all over the WR room. Jackson looked good in one game last year - but is injury prone and will be 34. Ward had a solid 6 games, but is limited in both size and speed and we really only have a small sample size.

Reagor I'm excited for as you say. But he will be playing slot and Z if he can go.

JJAW still could improve, but it doesn't look good at the moment.

Goodwin absolutely sucked last year. He was worse than Agholor and in 7 years has had one season over 500 yards. He's coming off major knee surgery. 

The other two rookies are flyers. The hope is they develop, but it would most likely be a disaster if we need to give them serious playing time next year.

Alshon, even when injured, is a legitimate NFL starting WR and red zone threat that teams have to account for. His contract is bad yes, but we are stuck with it, so let him play when he is ready. The team is better with him right now.

* Fliers but i like your spirit