January 20, 20223 yr 35 minutes ago, NOTW said: Yep. The 2002 draft and what a draft it was for the secondary: 1. CB Lito Sheppard 2. Safety Michael Lewis 2. CB Sheldon Brown (Plus RB Brian Westbrook in the 3rd) Best draft the Eagles ever had.
January 20, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, What The F said: Best draft the Eagles ever had. Looking all the way back to 1970, I do not see one better.
January 20, 20223 yr I still think he caught this, should have been a fumble run in for a TD and the game would have been a whole lot different!
January 20, 20223 yr 5 hours ago, NYEagle said: God...remember we had Seth Joyner, Byron Evans and Willie T?? My god, I would just take one of them now....... Remember also when we had Trotter, Emmons, Barber....the envy of the League....
January 20, 20223 yr The main reason the Eagles have not picked LBs in the first round is the rookie wage scale. If you pick a guy at 10 like the Eagles did with Devonta Smith, you pay him a guaranteed $5M per year for four years. That is a lot to pay for a LB unless you are really confident he is a difference maker, when you can sign serviceable free agent LBs for $1-$2M per year. Slide back to the 16 spot, and now you are at something like $3.6M per year. That is a lot lower premium to pay if you have a really good grade on a guy. There are a few guys in this draft who could be there at 16 who would make sense at that price point, like Nakobe Dean. I won’t at all be surprised if the Eagles find a LB value they like this year with one of their three first rounders.
January 22, 20223 yr LBs in first are bad value. Cheap to sign and usually the first to drop in drafts it’s just a bad choice. We’re not the Cowboys, we draft Linemen. Lot harder to get in FA.
January 23, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 7:56 AM, 700Level4Life said: I think two of these picks get moved for future picks, or all 3 get used for a QB. I see a lot of mocks with the Eagles taking a LB in the first round with one of these picks. With Singleton and Edwards...I doubt that happens. This front office thinks Singleton is good. Singleton isn't good, but he's not exactly bad. Good, high energy special teams guy on a legit contender. If they keep all three picks it's going to be a DL,OL and DB. Until this team takes a LB in the first round, I'm going "no linebacker in the first round" chalk every draft. I think you have a better chance seeing a RB with one of those picks. (And no, I'm not saying a RB should be drafted. We need a stud LB. Haven't had one in a long time. I hope I'm wrong.) Singleton is a joke and Edwards isn't far behind. The problem with the Eagles is they're having a hard time identifying talent, they extended Edwards like he's some sort of top notch LB failing to realize that little stretch of decent play was against bad teams.
January 23, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 8:37 AM, 700Level4Life said: No way. This team undervalues the position. That's exactly why when a RB gets pass the DL they're looking at 2nd and short, it's also why any decent TE eats us alive and it's also why our blitzes more often than not fail. Get some LBs and the above won't be common.
January 23, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, EagleVA said: Singleton is a joke and Edwards isn't far behind. The problem with the Eagles is they're having a hard time identifying talent, they extended Edwards like he's some sort of top notch LB failing to realize that little stretch of decent play was against bad teams. Bla bla. 1 year for 3 Million ‘like some sort of top notch LB’ ? He got what he deserved.
January 23, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 7:37 AM, 700Level4Life said: No way. This team undervalues the position. It's going to be DL and DB. They already have their LBs. On 1/20/2022 at 7:41 AM, EazyEaglez said: Man I hope you’re wrong (though I think you’re right) cause I would like to see this team finally invest in the linebacker position. I feel like Gannon’s defense needs linebackers with far more playmaking ability than what the Eagles have so far. I think Gannon’s system needs playmakers at linebacker and safety more so than our defensive coordinators of the past. This defense seems to be more about eliminating big plays and forcing the opposing offense to put together 10-12 play drives without making any mistakes. In my opinion, for that to work you have to have playmakers in the middle of the field that can force errors. I would hope the player priority rankings would change within the scouting department based on the schemes the coaching staff wants to run. If so, positional priority should change from past practices. I thought Davion Taylor took a nice step forward before his injury. TJ Edwards was a serviceable starter. Singleton racks up a lot of tackles, but unfortunately they’re all 5+ yards downfield… he needs replaced.
January 23, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: I think Gannon’s system needs playmakers at linebacker and safety more so than our defensive coordinators of the past. This defense seems to be more about eliminating big plays and forcing the opposing offense to put together 10-12 play drives without making any mistakes. In my opinion, for that to work you have to have playmakers in the middle of the field that can force errors. I would hope the player priority rankings would change within the scouting department based on the schemes the coaching staff wants to run. If so, positional priority should change from past practices. I thought Davion Taylor took a nice step forward before his injury. TJ Edwards was a serviceable starter. Singleton racks up a lot of tackles, but unfortunately they’re all 5+ yards downfield… he needs replaced. Looking at what this team values most and the depth in those spots tells me that even more so, they're not drafting an LB early. Its going to be a linemen. Gut tells me oline. Due to the age and lack of viable depth.
January 23, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, 700Level4Life said: Looking at what this team values most and the depth in those spots tells me that even more so, they're not drafting an LB early. Its going to be a linemen. Gut tells me oline. Due to the age and lack of viable depth. Age being the only consideration, I’d say safety needs an infusion of youth more than anywhere. DE being next, especially if we let Barnett walk. Though I 100% support having an abundance of talent on both OL and DL.
January 23, 20223 yr Author 4 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Age being the only consideration, I’d say safety needs an infusion of youth more than anywhere. DE being next, especially if we let Barnett walk. Though I 100% support having an abundance of talent on both OL and DL. I think where they get a safety from depends on if Gannon stays or not. If he stays, they'll probably draft one early, but if they go outside of the current coaching staff for a dcord, it'll probably be a free agent familiar with that guys system.
January 23, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, 700Level4Life said: I think where they get a safety from depends on if Gannon stays or not. If he stays, they'll probably draft one early, but if they go outside of the current coaching staff for a dcord, it'll probably be a free agent familiar with that guys system. Yep, if we change DC, draft strategy should change with it.
February 16, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 8:36 AM, NOTW said: Yep. The 2002 draft and what a draft it was for the secondary: 1. CB Lito Sheppard 2. Safety Michael Lewis 2. CB Sheldon Brown (Plus RB Brian Westbrook in the 3rd) that was supposed to be our answer to the Rams (who beat us in the NFCCG the year before). I liked all those guys
February 16, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 12:56 PM, 700Level4Life said: I think two of these picks get moved for future picks, or all 3 get used for a QB. I see a lot of mocks with the Eagles taking a LB in the first round with one of these picks. With Singleton and Edwards...I doubt that happens. This front office thinks Singleton is good. Singleton isn't good, but he's not exactly bad. Good, high energy special teams guy on a legit contender. If they keep all three picks it's going to be a DL,OL and DB. Until this team takes a LB in the first round, I'm going "no linebacker in the first round" chalk every draft. I think you have a better chance seeing a RB with one of those picks. (And no, I'm not saying a RB should be drafted. We need a stud LB. Haven't had one in a long time. I hope I'm wrong.) On 1/20/2022 at 1:41 PM, EazyEaglez said: Man I hope you’re wrong (though I think you’re right) cause I would like to see this team finally invest in the linebacker position. I feel like Gannon’s defense needs linebackers with far more playmaking ability than what the Eagles have so far. On 1/20/2022 at 1:43 PM, brkmsn said: As I said, I personally think CB, S and DE are bigger needs. On 1/20/2022 at 1:44 PM, NOTW said: And no 1st round corner in about 20 years. The Eagles and Howie have neglected the whole D, with the exception of D-Line, for the past 20 years and especially the last 6. At least 2 of these first round picks need to be used on the D and I wouldn’t be unhappy if all 3 were. The Eagles had benched Singleton before Taylor got hurt, so I think they know his limitations. Gannon’s D really does need playmaking Linebackers. Lloyd and Dean would both be good value where we pick, so it is possible, especially as we’ve never had 3 firsts before (or at least not in recent history). But I agree with brkmsn about other needs. I would expect one DE and one CB in the first with the other pick being used on offense or in a trade down. Linebacker or safety far more likely in the second.
February 16, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: The Eagles and Howie have neglected the whole D, with the exception of D-Line, for the past 20 years and especially the last 6. At least 2 of these first round picks need to be used on the D and I wouldn’t be unhappy if all 3 were. The Eagles had benched Singleton before Taylor got hurt, so I think they know his limitations. Gannon’s D really does need playmaking Linebackers. Lloyd and Dean would both be good value where we pick, so it is possible, especially as we’ve never had 3 firsts before (or at least not in recent history). But I agree with brkmsn about other needs. I would expect one DE and one CB in the first with the other pick being used on offense or in a trade down. Linebacker or safety far more likely in the second. Prediction: Rd1 pick 1: pretty good defensive player but not a stud. Rd1 pick 2: a lineman taken too high, with a handful of other guys most people thought were better but some fans like drafting a lineman. Rd1 pick 3: trade back Rounds 2-3: 1 JAG that might eventually start, a reach backup that doesn't get a 2nd contract. Rounds 4-7: Mostly busts, a JAG, and 1 decent backup that might get some starts in their 2nd year when someone gets injured, and will be used to suggest Howie's not that bad, he drafted "a starter."
February 16, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 5:12 PM, What The F said: Best draft the Eagles ever had. On 1/20/2022 at 5:14 PM, downundermike said: Looking all the way back to 1970, I do not see one better. I think you are both probably right, but I would definitely throw in 1986 (Byars, Joyner and Simmons) and 2012 (Cox, Kendricks, Curry, Foles, Boykin and Kelly) into the mix. 2018 has interesting potential as well, depending on how Goedert, Sweat and Mailata play in the next few seasons.
February 16, 20223 yr 12 hours ago, NOTW said: Prediction: Rd1 pick 1: pretty good defensive player but not a stud. Rd1 pick 2: a lineman taken too high, with a handful of other guys most people thought were better but some fans like drafting a lineman. Rd1 pick 3: trade back Rounds 2-3: 1 JAG that might eventually start, a reach backup that doesn't get a 2nd contract. Rounds 4-7: Mostly busts, a JAG, and 1 decent backup that might get some starts in their 2nd year when someone gets injured, and will be used to suggest Howie's not that bad, he drafted "a starter." Rather deflating, but quite probable. Spoiler
February 16, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Rather deflating, but quite probable. Hide contents It's a huge opportunity and I certainly hope he proves me wrong. It's always funny reading all the mock drafts and fan wishes. Like drafting 3 defensive studs including a top LB in the 1st round...all to see Howie trade back, take a lineman, or a JAG.
February 16, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, NOTW said: It's a huge opportunity and I certainly hope he proves me wrong. It's always funny reading all the mock drafts and fan wishes. Like drafting 3 defensive studs including a top LB in the 1st round...all to see Howie trade back, take a lineman, or a JAG. Lol be prepared for a trade back always or a lineman or combination of both.
February 16, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, IINorthStar said: Lol be prepared for a trade back always or a lineman or combination of both. 13 hours ago, NOTW said: Prediction: Rd1 pick 1: pretty good defensive player but not a stud. Rd1 pick 2: a lineman taken too high, with a handful of other guys most people thought were better but some fans like drafting a lineman. Rd1 pick 3: trade back Rounds 2-3: 1 JAG that might eventually start, a reach backup that doesn't get a 2nd contract. Rounds 4-7: Mostly busts, a JAG, and 1 decent backup that might get some starts in their 2nd year when someone gets injured, and will be used to suggest Howie's not that bad, he drafted "a starter."
February 16, 20223 yr The only way I see them trading out of one of those first round picks, is to acquire tasty picks for next year. With all of the picks they have this year, you get to a point where you can't sign anymore rookies. 10 picks, including three in the first round, is a lot to sign. I don't see them packaging anything to move up, although Howie does find ways to make deals happen. (I just wish he was better about making good selections!)
February 18, 20223 yr On 1/20/2022 at 7:44 AM, EazyEaglez said: Hoying was after this group. Think more Bubby Brister, Jeff Kemp, and Brad Goebel. and Pat Ryan, and Ken O'Brien. They all kept getting hurt. Remember that MNF game against the Redskins (I think) and they said McMahon wasn't fit to play and couldn't even lift his arm high enough to comb his hair, but he went out there and torched them. Great times.
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