May 7, 20205 yr I'm sure part of the reason Howie is OK with being cap strapped next offseason is because our 2017 draft was a near complete waste. Barnett is already on the books for 2021 (at a poor value, but let's stay focused). The only other players that they MIGHT have ANY interest in bringing back are not going to be expensive. Gerry won't get much at all. Mills has Wallace on his heels. Maddox/Jones will be affordable, even if one surprises and isn't a liability for a change this year. So truly 0 concern about losing any of our own players. So then the only real issue is that we won't have enough cap space to use FA as our annual crutch to cover up draft mistakes. If Dillard starts, Sanders progresses, and 2020 represents a rebound class, then they'll have enough home-grown boost that they won't need FA. Cam Robinson as an interior OL project is the only moderately expensive FA I'd have my eye on anyway.
May 7, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, paco said: And every year more and more gets pushed into the future. Every team that has operated this way eventually has to pay the piper. I mean I guess but it seems like we have been saying this since 2012 with the dream team and all those contracts. Until the eagles actually have to make a major cut or not get who they want because of the cap I'm not going to worry about it. Also never understood why we are worried about a cap that is a year and a half away alot can happen between now and then.
May 7, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: Don’t worry. Howie’s stellar drafting will make up for it. Best line I heard all day!!!
May 7, 20205 yr Is the Goodwin contract restructure finalized? I've seen reports and rumors, but none on mainstream sites.
May 7, 20205 yr 13 hours ago, EagleTen said: If there’s one thing Howie is a league leader in, it’s cap manipulation... I don’t have any concerns with Howie being able to sort that $50m deficit, but what I am concerned about is, the lack of flexibility it gives the Eagles in FA, both in the remainder of this year, and next year... I am sure that figure is largely responsible for us passing on a number of impact players this offseason already... lol why do people worry about this every year. Howie is cap king.
May 7, 20205 yr If we are significantly under the cap, couldn’t we restructure some contracts to make more this year and less next?
May 7, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said: If we are significantly under the cap, couldn’t we restructure some contracts to make more this year and less next? Howie got it. Jackson, Alshon, Goodwin, and others probably gone next year. Restructure for Cox probably happens soon for him to end his career as an Eagle. Howie figures this stuff out every year. He is the best at it. Drafts now thats another story. Cap management... beast.
May 7, 20205 yr 8 hours ago, eaglesflyers#1 said: I feel like we talk about this every year and then Howie figures it out. But it keeps getting significantly worse, he REALLY has some work to do next off season, and I do not see a way to do it. 8 hours ago, judunno said: Howie got it. Jackson, Alshon, Goodwin, and others probably gone next year. Restructure for Cox probably happens soon for him to end his career as an Eagle. Howie figures this stuff out every year. He is the best at it. Drafts now thats another story. Cap management... beast. If you look at the spreadsheet I posted and my picture of Malik Jackson's contract, there is no savings cutting him next year.
May 7, 20205 yr 19 hours ago, downundermike said: Quick little spreadsheet I made showing the more than 1 million in savings players for 2021. Player Dead Savings Derek Barnett 0 10 Alshon Jeffery 10.5 7.9 Fletcher Cox 15.3 7.1 Marquise Goodwin 0 7 Desean Jackson 5.8 5.1 Zach Ertz 7.7 4.7 Brandon Brooks 12.2 2.3 Dallas Goedert 0.5 1.2 Total Savings 45.3 What would the save dropping DJax?
May 7, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said: What would the save dropping DJax? 5th player down Player Dead Savings Derek Barnett 0 10 Alshon Jeffery 10.5 7.9 Fletcher Cox 15.3 7.1 Marquise Goodwin 0 7 Desean Jackson 5.8 5.1 Zach Ertz 7.7 4.7 Brandon Brooks 12.2 2.3 Dallas Goedert 0.5 1.2 Total Savings 45.3
May 7, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, downundermike said: 5th player down Player Dead Savings Derek Barnett 0 10 Alshon Jeffery 10.5 7.9 Fletcher Cox 15.3 7.1 Marquise Goodwin 0 7 Desean Jackson 5.8 5.1 Zach Ertz 7.7 4.7 Brandon Brooks 12.2 2.3 Dallas Goedert 0.5 1.2 Total Savings 45.3 I see it now. My bad. Not really saving much. Just an even split, but that’s better than Jeffery. Bye Barnett.
May 7, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: I see it now. My bad. Not really saving much. Just an even split, but that’s better than Jeffery. Bye Barnett. Barnett probably gets a new deal that will significantly lower his cap hit for next year. I would imagine that Graham and Jackson both get new deals as well. They are both in a position where they will not get any money at all if they get cut, since their signing bonuses have already been paid to them. And their value on the open market isn't going to be great. So I can see the team getting them back on cheap deals that will reduce their cap hits for next year.
May 7, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, jsb235 said: Barnett probably gets a new deal that will significantly lower his cap hit for next year. I would imagine that Graham and Jackson both get new deals as well. They are both in a position where they will not get any money at all if they get cut, since their signing bonuses have already been paid to them. And their value on the open market isn't going to be great. So I can see the team getting them back on cheap deals that will reduce their cap hits for next year. Interesting the Ertz turned down a new deal. I don’t know if it would have changed his 2021 cap number by much, but it doesn’t seem like he’s ready to play ball tough choices need to be made. I doubt the can keep him and Goedert.
May 7, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, downundermike said: But it keeps getting significantly worse, he REALLY has some work to do next off season, and I do not see a way to do it. If you look at the spreadsheet I posted and my picture of Malik Jackson's contract, there is no savings cutting him next year. I'm talking about DeSean.
May 7, 20205 yr 15 hours ago, eagle45 said: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/breaking-down-interesting-contract-malik-jackson-just-signed-nfl-free-agency Seems like they have an out on Malik Jackson, unless this article is completely wrong. It seems they actually did exercise his option this offseason, which makes absolutely zero sense to me. OTC has it way different. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 2019 29 $1,000,000 $1,800,000 $0 $1,000,000 $2,800,000 1.5% 2020 30 $1,050,000 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $4,661,000 2.4% $16,255,000 ($11,594,000) 2021 31 $9,000,000 $3,611,000 $1,000,000 $0 $13,611,000 6.3% $12,644,000 $967,000 2022 📝 32 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.6% $9,033,000 ($5,422,000) 2023 33 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.5% $5,422,000 ($1,811,000) 2024 34 $0 $1,811,000 $0 $0 $1,811,000 0.7% $1,811,000 $0 It looks like that option was exercised. As for the "there is some dead money, but not alot", thats bunk. Looks like 9 million. Unless OTC is way off.
May 7, 20205 yr I don’t know enough about this cap crap, but how does it work if a player is traded rather than cut in regards to dead money? I’ve been saying all offseason they should be looking to move Ertz sooner than later... if he’s traded rather than cut, does that get rid of any of that dead money?
May 7, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I mean I guess but it seems like we have been saying this since 2012 with the dream team and all those contracts. Until the eagles actually have to make a major cut or not get who they want because of the cap I'm not going to worry about it. Also never understood why we are worried about a cap that is a year and a half away alot can happen between now and then. With your example, I would point out that they did flounder and did have to make cuts\trades to shed cap space. We were forced to trade Asante Samuel for a measley 7th round pick. As for your second point, its because there is very little wiggle room. Look at the top 19 players on our roster: (91 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Prorated Roster Workout Other Fletcher Cox $11,200,000$1,000,000 $11,647,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $22,847,000 $27,950,000 ($5,103,000) Carson Wentz $1,383,000$9,383,000 $9,273,536 $8,000,000 $0 $0 $18,656,536 $77,877,144 ($59,220,608) Lane Johnson $7,785,000$7,935,000 $7,751,206 $0 $150,000 $0 $15,686,206 $49,300,706 ($33,614,500) Alshon Jeffery $9,910,000$9,910,000 $5,486,500 $0 $0 $0 $15,396,500 $25,906,000 ($10,509,500) Zach Ertz $6,660,000 $5,821,500 $0 $0 $0 $12,481,500 $13,591,000 ($1,109,500) DeSean Jackson $6,200,000$4,800,000 $1,934,000 $400,000 $400,000 $0 $8,609,000 $12,536,000 ($3,927,000) Brandon Brooks $1,250,000$1,000,000 $6,440,632 $0 $100,000 $0 $7,790,632 $19,691,339 ($11,900,707) Jason Kelce $2,000,000$4,000,000 $2,914,000 $2,000,000 $0 $500,000 $7,414,000 $17,056,000 ($9,642,000) Brandon Graham $1,360,000$1,360,000 $4,928,000 $0 $0 $0 $6,288,000 $23,500,000 ($17,212,000) Malik Jackson $1,050,000 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $0 $4,661,000 $16,255,000 ($11,594,000) Darius Slay $1,050,000$1,050,000 $3,250,000 $0 $0 $0 $4,300,000 $26,050,000 ($21,750,000) Marquise Goodwin $3,950,000 $0 $500,000 $50,000 $0 $4,281,250 $0 $4,281,250 Derek Barnett $2,217,408$2,217,408 $1,871,543 $0 $0 $0 $4,088,951 $4,088,951 $0 Jalen Mills $2,000,000 $2,000,000 $0 $0 $0 $4,000,000 $2,000,000 $2,000,000 Javon Hargrave $1,000,000$1,000,000 $2,450,000 $0 $0 $0 $3,450,000 $26,000,000 ($22,550,000) Andre Dillard $1,057,346$1,057,346 $1,754,384 $0 $0 $0 $2,811,730 $10,122,228 ($7,310,498) Jake Elliott $825,000$1,785,000 $774,000 $980,000 $50,000 $0 $2,629,000 $5,655,000 ($3,026,000) Rodney McLeod $1,050,000$1,050,000 $600,000 $0 $0 $700,000 $2,350,000 $7,800,000 ($5,450,000) Isaac Seumalo $910,000$820,000 $1,416,000 $0 $0 $0 $2,326,000 $7,100,000 ($4,774,000) A whopping 13 out of 16 have a dead cap hit that is a net loss if cut or traded. And it will be 14 assuming that Goodwin's resturcture gives him gaurenteed money. This is unheard of So what about next year? Player (52 total) Base Salary(Guaranteed) Bonuses Cap Number Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Prorated Roster Workout Other Carson Wentz $15,400,000$25,400,000 $9,273,536 $10,000,000 $0 $0 $34,673,536 $59,220,608 ($24,547,072) Fletcher Cox $15,000,000 $6,447,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $22,447,000 $15,303,000 $7,144,000 Alshon Jeffery $12,750,000 $5,486,500 $0 $250,000 $0 $18,486,500 $10,509,500 $7,977,000 Brandon Graham $13,000,000 $4,928,000 $0 $0 $0 $17,928,000 $17,212,000 $716,000 Lane Johnson $9,565,000$9,565,000 $6,786,500 $0 $150,000 $0 $16,501,500 $33,614,500 ($17,113,000) Darius Slay $12,000,000$12,000,000 $3,250,000 $0 $500,000 $0 $15,750,000 $21,750,000 ($6,000,000) Javon Hargrave $12,750,000$12,750,000 $2,450,000 $0 $0 $0 $15,200,000 $22,550,000 ($7,350,000) Brandon Brooks $10,400,000 $4,054,235 $0 $100,000 $0 $14,554,235 $12,250,707 $2,303,528 Malik Jackson $9,000,000 $3,611,000 $1,000,000 $0 $0 $13,611,000 $12,644,000 $967,000 Zach Ertz $8,250,000 $4,221,500 $0 $0 $0 $12,471,500 $7,769,500 $4,702,000 DeSean Jackson $8,200,000 $1,934,000 $400,000 $400,000 $0 $10,934,000 $5,802,000 $5,132,000 Derek Barnett $10,051,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $10,051,000 $0 $10,051,000 Jason Kelce $5,500,000 $2,914,000 $0 $0 $0 $8,414,000 $10,142,000 ($1,728,000) Marquise Goodwin $6,450,000 $0 $500,000 $50,000 $0 $7,000,000 $0 $7,000,000 Isaac Seumalo $4,000,000 $1,416,000 $0 $0 $0 $5,416,000 $4,864,000 $552,000 Rodney McLeod $3,750,000$3,750,000 $600,000 $750,000 $100,000 $0 $5,200,000 $6,150,000 ($950,000) Andre Dillard $1,619,692$1,619,692 $1,754,384 $0 $0 $0 $3,374,076 $7,310,498 ($3,936,422) There are VERY few levers to pull. Like I said earlier, the biggest relief could be Barnett being cut, which is something you really don't want to root for. Goodwin's contract was supposedly restructured, so what you see above doesnt apply. Maybe extend Ertz and convert salary to bonus money, which a symptom of the constant cycle of restructuring contracts, you are forced to down the road when normally you wouldn't need to and thus giving you roster flexability. Maybe Howie will get the bright idea to restructure Jeffery again So I disagree, given where they are at contract wise, there isn't a lot that can happen.
May 7, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, judunno said: I'm talking about DeSean. Only 5 million relief with nearly 6 million dead
May 7, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, downundermike said: But it keeps getting significantly worse, he REALLY has some work to do next off season, and I do not see a way to do it. This is what cap hell truely looks like. Being forced to restructure just to stay afloat and removing any semblance of roster flexiblity.
May 7, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Uscg-green said: Ah the very first "OMG the Cap!" thread of the new board. milestone. I'm just glad that the cycle of "point out a potentially disastrous move\situation gets posted, is ignored by the "howie will figure it out" crowd, disastrous move comes to pass, the "howie will figure it out" crowd gets on board yet still for some reason thinks he will "figure it out"" continues.
May 7, 20205 yr 38 minutes ago, paco said: Only 5 million relief with nearly 6 million dead Hey... it adds up.
May 7, 20205 yr 30 minutes ago, paco said: I'm just glad that the cycle of "point out a potentially disastrous move\situation gets posted, is ignored by the "howie will figure it out" crowd, disastrous move comes to pass, the "howie will figure it out" crowd gets on board yet still for some reason thinks he will "figure it out"" continues. Howie is God of Caps damnit.
May 7, 20205 yr Jeffery gone, Ertz extension, Barnett extension, Goddert extension, Djax getting a new contract that lowers his cap hit, Malik and Graham restructuring their contracts... moves I can see happening to fix the cap situation.
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