May 18, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, kentwo said: Thanks. I've been asking about the Goodwin contract. There was one rumor from Mike Kaye, but no one else to confirm and nothing on mainstream media. Its weird. On the transactions page at OTC, they show the restructure. But its not reflected anywhere else on that site.
May 18, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, kentwo said: Thanks. I've been asking about the Goodwin contract. There was one rumor from Mike Kaye, but no one else to confirm and nothing on mainstream media. Yea, it is a bit curious that it was reported end of April and people still haven't seen any numbers. I'm guessing its just slow to come out for one reason or the other. In the very least it's safe to say he's not taking up $7M next year.
May 18, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, joemas6 said: Yeah... to me it was a 2019 move... that turned out didn't need to happen. It is what it is. It's not going to kill us like some people make it out to either. I think what people, myself included, are upset about is that he was an obvious cap casualty for 2020. Now we don't have that option.
May 18, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, paco said: Its weird. On the transactions page at OTC, they show the restructure. But its not reflected anywhere else on that site. They don't have the details so they just left his old contract up. Same thing with Spotrac.
May 18, 20205 yr 18 minutes ago, paco said: I think what people, myself included, are upset about is that he was an obvious cap casualty for 2020. Now we don't have that option. Right... but again though ... I like to look at the big picture... they saved money in 2019 that they are carrying forward to help offset the extra cost for Alshon this year and dead $$ next year. If you at the net #, it isn't going to set the franchise back 5 years or put us in a financial hole like some people are making it out to be. And let's be honest.... the 2020 cap number doesn't really mean anything. The whole issue is about 2021. With Alshon.... we saved a little in 2019 and cost us a little more in 2021. That cost was to have room to make a move in 2019 that we didn't make. Hindsight, it didn't work out for us ... but net #s not a real disaster either. I think extending Wentz and Hargrave were probably always going to happen.... unless they extend an older guy or cut/trade someone I;m not expecting... I'm not too worried. I believe they would prefer to let the contracts of both Ertz and Cox play out as is.... they may be forced to do something there they otherwise wouldn't do. We'll see. We can''t always be big players in FA... we are old and needed to get the next 2 draft classes to have some impact anyway.
May 18, 20205 yr 29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said: Yea, it is a bit curious that it was reported end of April and people still haven't seen any numbers. I'm guessing its just slow to come out for one reason or the other. In the very least it's safe to say he's not taking up $7M next year. They usually like to wait until they get all the details. I don't think they know yet about any year after 2020 for Goodwin. If I had to guess... he is on a one year deal now. Or let's be honest.... we know the new team is not on the hook for anything other than salary... so they could have redone 2020 and kept the $7 mil for next year and the rest of the contract all the same. I don't really care about the $7 mil showing on the books because he has ZERO dead money. To me I already took that $7 mil off the books in my mind... along with Alshon, DeSean and knowing they won't let Barnett play for that one year # either. The beauty with the Eagles situation that doesn't show up on paper.... we have the QB locked up. The numbers can be manipulated in our favor now. Other teams are showing more cap space but are about to have their QB take a huge chunk of that away.... Dallas, KC, Houston and Baltimore. Meanwhile ... Tampa, New Orleans, Pittsburgh and Green Bay have their QBs on their last legs. The Eagles should be in a good position to transition into 2022 -2025 with BOTH a QB in place and plenty of room to build around him.
May 18, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, joemas6 said: They usually like to wait until they get all the details. I don't think they know yet about any year after 2020 for Goodwin. If I had to guess... he is on a one year deal now. Or let's be honest.... we know the new team is not on the hook for anything other than salary... so they could have redone 2020 and kept the $7 mil for next year and the rest of the contract all the same. I don't really care about the $7 mil showing on the books because he has ZERO dead money. To me I already took that $7 mil off the books in my mind... along with Alshon, DeSean and knowing they won't let Barnett play for that one year # either. The beauty with the Eagles situation that doesn't show up on paper.... we have the QB locked up. The numbers can be manipulated in our favor now. Other teams are showing more cap space but are about to have their QB take a huge chunk of that away.... Dallas, KC, Houston and Baltimore. Meanwhile ... Tampa, New Orleans, Pittsburgh and Green Bay have their QBs on their last legs. The Eagles should be in a good position to transition into 2022 -2025 with BOTH a QB in place and plenty of room to build around him. Agreed. It's a jarring number at first glance but once you look into it and see what they are doing, it's not.
May 18, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, jsb235 said: Again, how is he any worse than Chris Hogan? Please let me know. 🤮You're kidding, right? Chris Hogan has played for 3 teams. 2700 yards, 18 TDs in his career. In his best year, he had 680 yards for 17.9 ypc. He had nearly 1000 yards of production with the Bills before coming to the Patriots. Ward averages 9 yards per catch, half of what Hogan had in one year. He has 1 career TD and 254 career yards. Ward has 1 catch in his career of better than 20 yards. Chris Hogan has 39. Ward has been cut 6 times and the only team to express interest in him when he has NOT been an Eagle has been the San Antonio Commanders. Hogan was playing in the NFL before and after his stint with the Patriots. Shame on you for even trying to win an argument by comparing them.
May 18, 20205 yr 14 minutes ago, eagle45 said: 🤮You're kidding, right? Chris Hogan has played for 3 teams. 2700 yards, 18 TDs in his career. In his best year, he had 680 yards for 17.9 ypc. He had nearly 1000 yards of production with the Bills before coming to the Patriots. Ward averages 9 yards per catch, half of what Hogan had in one year. He has 1 career TD and 254 career yards. Ward has 1 catch in his career of better than 20 yards. Chris Hogan has 39. Ward has been cut 6 times and the only team to express interest in him when he has NOT been an Eagle has been the San Antonio Commanders. Hogan was playing in the NFL before and after his stint with the Patriots. Shame on you for even trying to win an argument by comparing them. Chris Hogan, the guy who had 83 yards of total receiving before his 27th birthday? Chris Hogan, who was listed as a LB/WR in his third year in the league? The guy who was cut by four teams? Yes, That Chris Hogan. He ended up having a decent career. To me, Ward has similar potential. He has shown that he can make catches, and more importantly, that he can make catches on balls thrown by Carson Wentz in an offense deployed by the Philadelphia Eagles, which is more than what can be said about a lot of the other options that the team has right now at WR. You can disagree all that you want. but keep in mind that you are doing so in a thread dedicated to the team's crappy salary cap situation next year, when we will likely be getting rid of the top three receivers. So the question becomes, if it's not Ward out there, who is it? JJAW? Hightower? Shelton Gibson? Or are they going to spend another high draft pick on a wide receiver? Because they aren't signing one in free agency. And even if they draft a guy, what are the chances that he catches 70 percent of the passes thrown his way, which was a top 10 stat for all wrs? Ward will be cheap and has shown that he is a legit option to put out there. You can think he's terrible, but unless you started watching this team play football in the last seven months, you have no excuse not to know exactly what terrible looks like. Terrible looks like Agholor, Green-Beckham, Riley Cooper, Josh Huff, etc. It's definitely not a guy who was perhaps our most consistent pass catcher at WR since Jason Avant.
May 19, 20205 yr On 5/18/2020 at 7:37 AM, eagle45 said: If they don't get read of Alshon now, they have to pay him $10.5m next year. What on Earth would they want to give Desean a new contract for? Malik, Graham, and Desean better be gone. My reasoning behind a Djax and Graham extension is adding dead years with a lower cap hit. I can see them keeping Djax for 1 more year if he performs this year and stays healthy. Graham can still play and probably be better suited for the role Chris Long had. I believe Malik's contract is guaranteed next year. If they cut him I forgot what the dead money was. I cant see them eating that if they can't find a trade partner now they have Hargrave
May 19, 20205 yr On 5/17/2020 at 1:48 PM, DeathByEagle said: Dont see an extension for both Zach and Dallas. Dallas knows he has the talent to start and so do the other teams. If Zach is resigned Dallas will not stay in Philly. He will move on to a new team that he can become a starter. He will get the same money from other teams so if your Dallas are you getting paid to play a limited role or paid to play the starter? No brainier there. guess who needs a starting TE? the team he was named after. If we dont move on from Ertz after this year, Dallas will be in Dallas and will go on to be a massive mistake. No question I'd rather have Dallas over Ertz right now. Ertz probably has a solid 2 to 3 years left. Part of me wants him to take that Celek roll and hand the reigns over to Goddert. I know it won't happen. I can see them moving on from him
May 19, 20205 yr 20 minutes ago, Godfather said: My reasoning behind a Djax and Graham extension is adding dead years with a lower cap hit. I can see them keeping Djax for 1 more year if he performs this year and stays healthy. Graham can still play and probably be better suited for the role Chris Long had. I believe Malik's contract is guaranteed next year. If they cut him I forgot what the dead money was. I can see them eating that if they can't find a trade partner now they have Hargrave I like the idea of "Chris Long”ing Graham. I think he could be effective with limited snaps and limited salary as a #3 DE in his old age. Leaning on him as a starter for something absurd like $15m is bad news. I don’t know if we’ve already kicked the can far enough down the road that it can’t be avoided.
May 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Godfather said: My reasoning behind a Djax and Graham extension is adding dead years with a lower cap hit. I can see them keeping Djax for 1 more year if he performs this year and stays healthy. Graham can still play and probably be better suited for the role Chris Long had. I believe Malik's contract is guaranteed next year. If they cut him I forgot what the dead money was. I can see them eating that if they can't find a trade partner now they have Hargrave Malik Jackson signed a 3 year, $30 million contract with the Eagles on March 13, 2019. Jackson received $17 million in guarantees. The guarantee is made up of a $9 million signing bonus, $2.4 million 2020 option bonus, $1 million 2019 base salary, and $4.6 million of his 2020 base salary. If on the roster of the 5th day of the 2021 league year he will earn a $1 million roster bonus. The final two years of the contract are voidable.The Eagles restructured Jackson's contract adding an additional void year and converting $6.65 million of 2020 salary to a bonus. The move creates $5.44 million in cap space. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 2019 29 $1,000,000 $1,800,000 $0 $1,000,000 $2,800,000 1.4% 2020 30 $1,050,000 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $4,661,000 2.1% $16,255,000 ($11,594,000) 2021 31 $9,000,000 $3,611,000 $1,000,000 $0 $13,611,000 6.3% $12,644,000 $967,000 2022 32 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.6% $9,033,000 ($5,422,000) 2023 33 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.5% $5,422,000 ($1,811,000) 2024 34 $0 $1,811,000 $0 $0 $1,811,000 0.7% $1,811,000 $0 So cutting him next year is only "saving" 1 million in dead money with a $12.6 million dollar hit. Technically not fully guaranteed, but close to it. And if we keep him, when he is a FA in 2022, we will have a 9 million dead cap hit.
May 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, paco said: Malik Jackson signed a 3 year, $30 million contract with the Eagles on March 13, 2019. Jackson received $17 million in guarantees. The guarantee is made up of a $9 million signing bonus, $2.4 million 2020 option bonus, $1 million 2019 base salary, and $4.6 million of his 2020 base salary. If on the roster of the 5th day of the 2021 league year he will earn a $1 million roster bonus. The final two years of the contract are voidable.The Eagles restructured Jackson's contract adding an additional void year and converting $6.65 million of 2020 salary to a bonus. The move creates $5.44 million in cap space. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension 2019 29 $1,000,000 $1,800,000 $0 $1,000,000 $2,800,000 1.4% 2020 30 $1,050,000 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $4,661,000 2.1% $16,255,000 ($11,594,000) 2021 31 $9,000,000 $3,611,000 $1,000,000 $0 $13,611,000 6.3% $12,644,000 $967,000 2022 32 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.6% $9,033,000 ($5,422,000) 2023 33 $0 $3,611,000 $0 $0 $3,611,000 1.5% $5,422,000 ($1,811,000) 2024 34 $0 $1,811,000 $0 $0 $1,811,000 0.7% $1,811,000 $0 So when he is a FA in 2022, we will have a 9 million dead cap hit. He is a prime candidate for an extension before his 2021 salary kicks in. Gerald McCoy got $6 million a year this year from the Cowboys, so that number is probably around what Jackson will be worth after this season. If he agrees to the extension (which makes sense for him) they will have to pay him a total of $30 million over those three years, but it's better than essentially paying him $22 million for 2021. If he turns it down, they can just sign another aging DT like him for the $18 million, and structure the contract so that it spreads out the cap hit to make up for the chunk they have to pay up front for cutting Jackson. The same is true for Graham. I expect both guys to get new deals after the season to reduce their cap hits for 2021 that will keep them here for the next three years.
May 19, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, jsb235 said: If he turns it down, they can just sign another aging DT like him for the $18 million, and structure the contract so that it spreads out the cap hit to make up for the chunk they have to pay up front for cutting Jackson. The same is true for Graham. I expect both guys to get new deals after the season to reduce their cap hits for 2021 that will keep them here for the next three years. I'm sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean "Before it kicks in"? I might be reading into it but I'm taking that as you meaning there is a roster bonus that hits? Anyway, yes on the surface he is a prime candidate from purely a salary perspective. But remember, he is on the wrong side of 30 and coming back from a Lisfranc injury. Not the career ender it once was, but not insignificant for a man his size either. If he is healthy and has a productive season, I'm on board. But... it will be difficult to make it work with the additional 9 million already pushed past his current contract. Just one more wrinkle to consider. 15 minutes ago, jsb235 said: If he turns it down, they can just sign another aging DT like him for the $18 million, and structure the contract so that it spreads out the cap hit to make up for the chunk they have to pay up front for cutting Jackson. The same is true for Graham. I expect both guys to get new deals after the season to reduce their cap hits for 2021 that will keep them here for the next three years. This is where I disagree with the way Howie runs things, and its purely philosophical.... You don't want to be in a position where you are forced to push money past the life of a contract just to be able to sign someone. Especially when it's replacing someone you cut for cap reasons. It seriously constrains what you can do when building a roster and flexibility is very important. I know I keep using them as an example but the Vinny Ceratto R-words were a prime example of this. Constantly having to exploit every loophole to just field a team. And when the 2006 CBA looked like it wouldn't get done, they were forced to purge a 3rd of their roster (with the cuts being contingent on no CBA). The teams were old, underachieving and experiencing constant turnover.
May 19, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, paco said: I'm sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean "Before it kicks in"? I might be reading into it but I'm taking that as you meaning there is a roster bonus that hits? I wasn't referring to a roster bonus, but his base salary of $9 million in 2021. It makes no sense for the team to pay him that money, so they have to make a decision on him before the beginning of the 2021 season.
May 19, 20205 yr 23 minutes ago, jsb235 said: I wasn't referring to a roster bonus, but his base salary of $9 million in 2021. It makes no sense for the team to pay him that money, so they have to make a decision on him before the beginning of the 2021 season. Ok, and that's fair. Problem is if they cut him in 2021, they only "save" 1 million on the current year because they pushed 9 million in guarantees past the life of his contract. So they will have 12.6 million in dead cap money AND have to find a replacement. I keep forgetting: A post June 1st cut eases it somewhat. 3.6 million in 2021 and 9 million in 2022
May 20, 20205 yr Also, it should be noted: The rollover will get smaller. Players get signed during the season. That amount tends to be minimal. But it also doesnt reflect our rookies And speaking of rookies, cuts and restructures need to account for next years draft picks too
May 20, 20205 yr 16 hours ago, paco said: Also, it should be noted: The rollover will get smaller. Players get signed during the season. That amount tends to be minimal. But it also doesnt reflect our rookies And speaking of rookies, cuts and restructures need to account for next years draft picks too Forbes says the NFL will lose $5.5 billion this year if they play without fans. That money will get baked into the salary cap in coming years so it's a crap-shoot to try to figure the cap after this year. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#2a0ce5b8691a
May 21, 20205 yr On 5/20/2020 at 12:50 PM, Hawkeye said: Forbes says the NFL will lose $5.5 billion this year if they play without fans. That money will get baked into the salary cap in coming years so it's a crap-shoot to try to figure the cap after this year. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/05/18/the-stadium-revenue-each-nfl-team-will-lose-if-games-are-played-without-fans/#2a0ce5b8691a I came up with a little over 3 billion, but I was only taking ticket sales into account. That's probably taking concessions, etc, into the revenue figures. Ticket sales alone will be a 4 million drop in cap space per team. A good rough estimate would be another 2 million for concessions, IMO. So lets call it 6 million lost in cap space per team. Note: When I say 6 million lost, I'm not saying a 6 million drop. Its perfectly feasible that the cap could go up slightly even with that hit due to other sources of revenue, such as gambling.
May 21, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, paco said: I came up with a little over 3 billion, but I was only taking ticket sales into account. That's probably taking concessions, etc, into the revenue figures. Ticket sales alone will be a 4 million drop in cap space per team. A good rough estimate would be another 2 million for concessions, IMO. So lets call it 6 million lost in cap space per team. Note: When I say 6 million lost, I'm not saying a 6 million drop. Its perfectly feasible that the cap could go up slightly even with that hit due to other sources of revenue, such as gambling. Pretty good analysis. I don’t know how the revenue drop correlates directly to the cap but NFL owners never leave a dime on the table.
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