Procus Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Does this, combined with the loss of Ian Cunningham to the Bears, entitle the Eagles to compensatory draft pick compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBird Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I'd rather someone poach Howie so we get draft skill compensation. 8 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 COMP PICKZZZZZZS!!!!!!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Pretty sure he was an assistant so it doesn't count Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayAreaLennie Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Procus said: Does this, combined with the loss of Ian Cunningham to the Bears, entitle the Eagles to compensatory draft pick compensation? I am pretty sure the answer is no. You only get the compensation if they are hired in as the actual GM or head coach - assistant positions do not qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwieagle Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Very selfishly, it’s a little annoying we have now lost two guys who are the trejectory to be GMs….and other teams (bears and giants) probably end up getting comp picks down the line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoconoDon Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 19 hours ago, AngryBird said: I'd rather someone poach Howie so we get draft skill compensation. There are 31 other teams in the league and nobody wants him. Says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 3 hours ago, PoconoDon said: There are 31 other teams in the league and nobody wants him. Says a lot. Huh? He's under contract with the Eagles and is not in a position to get a promotion outside the organization since he's already at the top of the food chain here. So what's the basis of saying that "nobody wants him"? I doubt that's a correct statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 15 hours ago, kiwieagle said: Very selfishly, it’s a little annoying we have now lost two guys who are the trejectory to be GMs….and other teams (bears and giants) probably end up getting comp picks down the line These are lower level hires. Brown got a law degree from a low level university. We already have one lawyer in the F.O. I never found that education to be helpful in evaluating talent. Cunningham's background is a bit more extensive than Brown's, and he did work with the Ravens organization which is a plus. Still, who do we see on the Eagles roster who we can point to Cunningham as the reason he's here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 So we’re losing one of the guys responsible for putting together the scouting reports on Reagor, JJAW, and Dillard. BFD don’t let the door smack ya on the way out. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoconoDon Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Procus said: Huh? He's under contract with the Eagles and is not in a position to get a promotion outside the organization since he's already at the top of the food chain here. So what's the basis of saying that "nobody wants him"? I doubt that's a correct statement. And each time he is up for a new contract there's such a buzz about other teams hoping to pry him away from the Eagles, or is there? No, I suppose not. The next step up is company president but I doubt he gets offered that position here or anywhere else. That's also indicative of little interest outside the Eagles in the executive acumen of Howie Roseman. Lurie likes him for reasons that are his alone. That's why he is still here, though his track record of talent acquisition, particularly in the draft, doesn't really warrant retaining him. He may be better than some other GM's out there but that's not a justification for keeping him. The question to ask is after all these years is he the best GM in every way, or at least close to it? If the answer is no, then an upgrade is needed. I believe the answer is no. Too bad for me because I suspect I'll have to watch what he does or doesn't do in his position for at least a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 GM factory 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 5 hours ago, time2rock said: So we’re losing one of the guys responsible for putting together the scouting reports on Reagor, JJAW, and Dillard. BFD don’t let the door smack ya on the way out. Better yet, give this guy a limo escort to Giants Stadium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time2rock Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, Procus said: Better yet, give this guy a limo escort to Giants Stadium I’ll drive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnB Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 hours ago, PoconoDon said: And each time he is up for a new contract there's such a buzz about other teams hoping to pry him away from the Eagles, or is there? No, I suppose not. The next step up is company president but I doubt he gets offered that position here or anywhere else. That's also indicative of little interest outside the Eagles in the executive acumen of Howie Roseman. Lurie likes him for reasons that are his alone. That's why he is still here, though his track record of talent acquisition, particularly in the draft, doesn't really warrant retaining him. He may be better than some other GM's out there but that's not a justification for keeping him. The question to ask is after all these years is he the best GM in every way, or at least close to it? If the answer is no, then an upgrade is needed. I believe the answer is no. Too bad for me because I suspect I'll have to watch what he does or doesn't do in his position for at least a few more years. Your view of the man is abject at best. He's a horrible draft coordinator, however, you can't say he hasn't put together some amazing deals over the years. He is the man responsible for putting together our Super Bowl roster. A lot of teams try that and fail. He also didn't put us in a situation where we'd be paying for that one trophy for the next 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoconoDon Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 32 minutes ago, JohnB said: Your view of the man is abject at best. He's a horrible draft coordinator, however, you can't say he hasn't put together some amazing deals over the years. He is the man responsible for putting together our Super Bowl roster. A lot of teams try that and fail. He also didn't put us in a situation where we'd be paying for that one trophy for the next 10 years. I think my view of the man is accurate. Job #1 for a GM is building a sustainable championship caliber roster. League history has shown that the way to do that begins with a series of consecutive outstanding drafts. Trades and FA are supposed to augment the drafts not correct for them because they were subpar. 2017 was a perfect storm that couldn't be repeated in large part because of how the roster was built. I'm thrilled he got lucky and it all worked out (like Foles playing out of his mind), but I still recognize that he got lucky. Also, nobody pays for it for 10 years. I'd say 3-5 tops. In the end, he's a middle of the pack GM who overall does an OK to good job most of the time, but a poor job some of the time. I assert that isn't nearly good enough. Other than 1 year with Kelly at the helm, Howie's been the man in charge since Reid left. In all of that time how many truly dominant players has he drafted? How many so-so guys? How many busts? It all starts and ends with the draft. Win in an April here and there, and you may start winning games in January. Win a bunch of Aprils in a row and you'll win a lot of February games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglesfan0075 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Procus said: These are lower level hires. Brown got a law degree from a low level university. We already have one lawyer in the F.O. I never found that education to be helpful in evaluating talent. Cunningham's background is a bit more extensive than Brown's, and he did work with the Ravens organization which is a plus. Still, who do we see on the Eagles roster who we can point to Cunningham as the reason he's here? Jordan Mailata was a savvy find from Brandon Brown who evaluated him from the international pipeline program, relayed his scouting report to Jeff Stoutland and pushed the Eagles to move up ahead of the Steelers in the 7th round that year, as they also were rumored to have heavy interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep_man Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, eaglesfan0075 said: Jordan Mailata was a savvy find from Brandon Brown who evaluated him from the international pipeline program, relayed his scouting report to Jeff Stoutland and pushed the Eagles to move up ahead of the Steelers in the 7th round that year, as they also were rumored to have heavy interest. I heard it was Howie that took notice of Mailata from the start and rang Stoutland while he was on a golfing trip, got Jeff to cancel golf and immediately come to combine to look at JM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochis_Calhoun Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 7 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said: Jordan Mailata was a savvy find from Brandon Brown who evaluated him from the international pipeline program, relayed his scouting report to Jeff Stoutland and pushed the Eagles to move up ahead of the Steelers in the 7th round that year, as they also were rumored to have heavy interest. If you were building an NFL Tackle, physically you'd build something like Mailata, his athletic measurables were all top ten at the position, his wingspan and hand size are exceptional, literally the only question was could he pick up the skills and given he was only 20 when he went into the draft he had time on his side to learn. it was clear at draft time he was on the radar of most teams as a late round flyer or premium UDFA. He's a good find but hardly an against the grain miracle find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonblood Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 It entitles Howie to be MORE involved within the player personnel area. The sky is falling, for sure. Fix that sheeet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Jeep_man said: I heard it was Howie that took notice of Mailata from the start and rang Stoutland while he was on a golfing trip, got Jeff to cancel golf and immediately come to combine to look at JM... That jibes with this article where Stoutland said he found him https://www.1news.co.nz/2018/09/02/philadelphia-eagles-coach-recalls-how-he-discovered-nrl-giant-jordan-mailata/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwieagle Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 6:45 AM, Procus said: These are lower level hires. Brown got a law degree from a low level university. We already have one lawyer in the F.O. I never found that education to be helpful in evaluating talent. Assistant GM - not that far from off from GM. Plus, he is what 34? And already had an interview this year for a GM position with the Vikings so he is on the radar as an up and coming future GM candidate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeep_man Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Procus said: That jibes with this article where Stoutland said he found him https://www.1news.co.nz/2018/09/02/philadelphia-eagles-coach-recalls-how-he-discovered-nrl-giant-jordan-mailata/ Yeah There is no Brandon Brown connection with Mailata... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Vic Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 I never heard of Brandon Brown..before he was traded. 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTW Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Let's Go Brandon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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