Is the NFL rigged?

[matchew88]

The NFL makes money off of ads, which makes them a hype machine and have dominion over the refs. I've been seeing many videos in my youtube feed with claims of the NFL at least partially being like the WWE. Then you have this Moldea guy saying the mafia and others actually have fixed NFL games. 

Burying spygate, wanting artificial parity to maximize ad profits, league revenue sharing, etc. The red flags do seems to start to pile up. While I don't believe the whole thing is staged, it does seem like there is storyline management, etc. I've seen whole drives move forward on questionable calls. And the media was declaring Tom Brady retired when he was reported as saying he hadn't made a decision yet...much of this seems managed, and the NFL seems to be moving closer and closer to the WWE idea.

Lastly, the NFL quietly won a supreme court decision from a fan who sued them for fixing a game. Instead of proving they didn't, the NFL just argued that the purchase of a ticket was just you going to see a show. Because they'll destroy America's sport, dammit, and you'll like it.

I'm not sure what to make of all this and what it means for the future, but now that the offseason is here, I just have to wonder.

What do you think? Any instances you saw a game and wondered too?

[Mike030270]

Those boring games in the SB proves it's not fake if they wanted to bring in viewers lol

Though that Chiefs vs Bengals AFCCG certainly made it seem like Chiefs lost on purpose in the end. But that was on the Chiefs and not any ref

Eagles clear recovery in the Dallas game awhile ago was a sure sign of a paycheck going to the refs

[Cheesteakitis]

i’ve heard about this in the past… we were clearly outmatched but who knows what happens if brady doesn’t get that cheap penalty on barnett to start the game… i was was telling all my friends brady paid the other team off when they came all the way back vs the rams. 

min some ways it seems pretty hard to fix but in others it’s like yeah that could really be happening.

[devpool]

I wouldn't be shocked

[EricAllenPick6]

I’d be pissed.  You made us sit through 3 NFCCG losses on purpose?

[Aerolithe_Lion]

They stand to lose everything if that came out, versus the league making maximum profit if it was legit. Combine that with the thousands and thousand who have to keep quiet about it, it’s not only ill-advised, but nigh-implausible. The examples you have are just that they have a very shady legal team.
 

Generally, fans that can’t handle their team’s misfortune are the ones who promote this. Do you think Patriots fans think it’s rigged? Steelers fans? Do you think Lakers fans think BBall is rigged? Yankees fans? Much less likely. People can’t handle the truth so they supplant their own comforting lies.

[MidMoFo]

Why would a multi-billion dollar organization, with 32 different owners competing against one another, where the winner gets a bigger payday from winning, want to take the risk of getting caught fixing games, killing their golden goose and effectively crashing their organization to the lowly level of comparison to a resemblance of the WWE?

[IINorthStar]

Ahh well here we go. I've waited a while for someone to ask this. No I don't believe it's 100% authentic. No I don't believe the outcomes are decided by competitiveness and rosters. Even the NFL itself has never claimed to be 100% authentic competition. Which is why if u take them to court for false advertising, "rigging", lying by omission,etc.. u will lose. It's just always been assumed by fans that it is solely a real competition. Of course ppl will  straw man arguments and fallacies trying to argue against this. Hopefully as adults this can be discussed without bs and insults. I've been asked numerous times "if it's not authentic why do so many ppl believe and spend their money?"

My answer-

The default stance is that product(NFL) is real because we know football(Sports) is real. 

In actuality the default stance should be neutral or undecided. 

The product is sports entertainment and legally can be manipulated. 

[IINorthStar]

26 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

They stand to lose everything if that came out, versus the league making maximum profit if it was legit. Combine that with the thousands and thousand who have to keep quiet about it, it’s not only ill-advised, but nigh-implausible. The examples you have are just that they have a very shady legal team.
 

Generally, fans that can’t handle their team’s misfortune are the ones who promote this. Do you think Patriots fans think it’s rigged? Steelers fans? Do you think Lakers fans think BBall is rigged? Yankees fans? Much less likely. People can’t handle the truth so they supplant their own comforting lies.

Lol and everything you're saying is completely subjective to your opinion. Obviously there are unknowns and unknown unknowns 😂😂 but for ppl to completely write it off as if it's not possible is quite vein. U are starting with a presupposition that it's real and has everything to lose if found out otherwise. Would love going into detail about the NFLs revenue system, taxes, etc. The thing is I don't blame you for holding the stance u do but also I can dish your own medicine back at you. If a scheme works and makes billions upon billions and keeps the rich rich why stop it? Regardless how many of you think it would be impossible or very difficult to keep players quiet, etc.. maybe you underestimate the power of millions and overrate ppls integrity, morals, etc. 

 

[MidMoFo]

56 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

Ahh well here we go. I've waited a while for someone to ask this. No I don't believe it's 100% authentic. No I don't believe the outcomes are decided by competitiveness and rosters. Even the NFL itself has never claimed to be 100% authentic competition. Which is why if u take them to court for false advertising, "rigging", lying by omission,etc.. u will lose. It's just always been assumed by fans that it is solely a real competition. Of course ppl will  straw man arguments and fallacies trying to argue against this. Hopefully as adults this can be discussed without bs and insults. I've been asked numerous times "if it's not authentic why do so many ppl believe and spend their money?"

My answer-

The default stance is that product(NFL) is real because we know football(Sports) is real. 

In actuality the default stance should be neutral or undecided. 

The product is sports entertainment and legally can be manipulated. 

Right now, there is a disgruntled and recently fired head coach who is suing the league because he doesn’t feel an equality rule, put in place by the league, is being implemented with honesty. Don’t you think, if games were being fixed, other disgruntled participants would have leaked information about it by now?

[Guest]

3 hours ago, matchew88 said:

The NFL makes money off of ads, which makes them a hype machine and have dominion over the refs. I've been seeing many videos in my youtube feed with claims of the NFL at least partially being like the WWE. Then you have this Moldea guy saying the mafia and others actually have fixed NFL games. 

Burying spygate, wanting artificial parity to maximize ad profits, league revenue sharing, etc. The red flags do seems to start to pile up. While I don't believe the whole thing is staged, it does seem like there is storyline management, etc. I've seen whole drives move forward on questionable calls. And the media was declaring Tom Brady retired when he was reported as saying he hadn't made a decision yet...much of this seems managed, and the NFL seems to be moving closer and closer to the WWE idea.

Lastly, the NFL quietly won a supreme court decision from a fan who sued them for fixing a game. Instead of proving they didn't, the NFL just argued that the purchase of a ticket was just you going to see a show. Because they'll destroy America's sport, dammit, and you'll like it.

I'm not sure what to make of all this and what it means for the future, but now that the offseason is here, I just have to wonder.

What do you think? Any instances you saw a game and wondered too?

 

[Bwestbrook36]

In before the move!

Also I guys don't play through broken bones torn ligaments and playing through getting their heads bashed in for a game that is already decided before they play.... 

 

 

Then again the OP thinks something else was rigged soooo..... 

 

 

[IINorthStar]

8 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

Right now, there is a disgruntled and recently fired head coach who is suing the league because he doesn’t feel an equality rule, put in place by the league, is being implemented with honesty. Don’t you think, if games were being fixed, other disgruntled participants would have leaked information about it by now?

No. Because I believe that's a pony show my guy. 

[olsilverhair]

24 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

In before the move!

Also I guys don't play through broken bones torn ligaments and playing through getting their heads bashed in for a game that is already decided before they play.... 

 

 

Then again the OP thinks something else was rigged soooo..... 

 

 

if you mean the election, yes it was too,

[Bwestbrook36]

1 minute ago, olsilverhair said:

if you mean the election, yes it was too,

Go back to the blog you silly bastid

[olsilverhair]

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Go back to the blog you silly bastid

eat a scrotum, sack lick

[Bwestbrook36]

Just now, olsilverhair said:

eat a scrotum, sack lick

You first lint licker

[MidMoFo]

12 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

No. Because I believe that's a pony show my guy. 

I think the most profit seeking direction the league could take would be to make the league as competitive as possible. It’s why there is a salary cap, it’s why the worst team from the previous year gets the first draft pick, it’s why teams are awarded compensatory drafts picks when they lose key players, it’s why the league owners all have profit sharing from tv contracts.

If the league is rigging the outcome, why are they so bad at it? Wouldn’t the jets and giants be better? They are in the biggest fan market. Why has Los Angeles struggled to keep a team? "America’s Team” hasn’t won a playoff game this century…

Im not saying it couldn’t be rigged, I’m asking you: Why would they when it seems to me competitiveness and unpredictability is the most profitable?

[20dawk4life]

Yea that’s why the super bowl is always between the biggest market team. Cincinnati and LA always draw huge crowds. Wait until you figure out the earth is flat. 

[IINorthStar]

17 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

I think the most profit seeking direction the league could take would be to make the league as competitive as possible. It’s why there is a salary cap, it’s why the worst team from the previous year gets the first draft pick, it’s why teams are awarded compensatory drafts picks when they lose key players, it’s why the league owners all have profit sharing from tv contracts.

If the league is rigging the outcome, why are they so bad at it? Wouldn’t the jets and giants be better? They are in the biggest fan market. Why has Los Angeles struggled to keep a team? "America’s Team” hasn’t won a playoff game this century…

Im not saying it couldn’t be rigged, I’m asking you: Why would they when it seems to me competitiveness and unpredictability is the most profitable?

1. I believe that is all farce and the real game being played amongst the rich. 

2. No. Which is why I stated if more fans looked into or understood the NFL owners revenue policy, tax bracket, exemptions, etc. Maybe it would at the most consider a second thought. 

3.  I see it as nothing but pure entertainment. A manipulated product. That's where the arguments start. Most fans default is that it's authentic because football is real. Without realizing we are sold more than football in the grand scheme.  Based off what I've watched over the years.. outcome of games, refs bs, players bs, I'm not convinced. There is human error and then there's blatant bs that's completely wrong going by the rule books. From a players pov there are things a coach tells u to never do that u can't call a mistake because u would be benched or fired.  

How does someone figure out if they've been indoctrinated? For example Brady's team would win games they had no business, but we've been conditioned it's no big deal, Brady leads comebacks. Instead of us looking at the spectacles being presented in front of us.

Also fans will say they cheated for Brady while also thinking the rest of the league is clean. That's not only bias but a contradiction. By admitting that they are also admitting the NFL isn't legit.  

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

3 hours ago, IINorthStar said:

Lol and everything you're saying is completely subjective to your opinion. Obviously there are unknowns and unknown unknowns 😂😂 but for ppl to completely write it off as if it's not possible is quite vein. U are starting with a presupposition that it's real and has everything to lose if found out otherwise. Would love going into detail about the NFLs revenue system, taxes, etc. The thing is I don't blame you for holding the stance u do but also I can dish your own medicine back at you. If a scheme works and makes billions upon billions and keeps the rich rich why stop it? Regardless how many of you think it would be impossible or very difficult to keep players quiet, etc.. maybe you underestimate the power of millions and overrate ppls integrity, morals, etc. 

 

Your assumption is that the rigged scheme is what is making billions. The honesty in it not being rigged is what makes the money. Rigging it in the way you explained would only cost them everything, there’s no benefit to it. The nfl makes just as much money if the Bengals are in the Super Bowl as they do if the Giants are. It’s not my opinion, the earth isn’t flat, the coronavirus isn’t a government coverup to microchip the masses, and the the NFL is not rigged.

 

If you really, genuinely believed it was rigged, you wouldn’t be here right now.

[IINorthStar]

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Your assumption is that the rigged scheme is what is making billions. The honesty in it not being rigged is what makes the money. Rigging it in the way you explained would only cost them everything, there’s no benefit to it. The nfl makes just as much money if the Bengals are in the Super Bowl as they do if the Giants are. It’s not my opinion, the earth isn’t flat, the coronavirus isn’t a government coverup to microchip the masses, and the the NFL is not rigged.

 

If you really, genuinely believed it was rigged, you wouldn’t be here right now.

 You are defending your position by presupposition. Which holds no weight. You keep saying the league gains nothing by rigging it. Ignoring the fact that regardless the outcome u could still be watching a manipulated product and not know. Furthermore I'm not some conspiracy theorist lol only using the evidence available. 

 

My question is if it's 100% authentic why are they classified as sports entertainment? Because sporting events whether professional or semi pro don't have that. 

Last question, what if the benefit of these rich among the rich is getting pleasure by getting over on the lower class ppl? Neither of us with certainty can't say whether it's true or false. Just something to make u think.

We don't agree and that's okay. 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

19 minutes ago, IINorthStar said:

 You are defending your position by presupposition. Which holds no weight. You keep saying the league gains nothing by rigging it. Ignoring the fact that regardless the outcome u could still be watching a manipulated product and not know. Furthermore I'm not some conspiracy theorist lol only using the evidence available. 

 

My question is if it's 100% authentic why are they classified as sports entertainment? Because sporting events whether professional or semi pro don't have that. 

Last question, what if the benefit of these rich among the rich is getting pleasure by getting over on the lower class ppl? Neither of us with certainty can't say whether it's true or false. Just something to make u think.

We don't agree and that's okay. 

You don’t believe it’s rigged, otherwise your entire post history is a sham, everyone you’ve talked Eagles football with is a lie, and you would then technically be a fake fan by what this site constitutes as fandom.

You discuss with other posters things like FO moves and our defensive coordinator’s efforts, when if this was like WWE you would believe that was all a sham. You may want to believe it’s fake, as that would make you feel better about when things aren’t so perfect in Eagles-world, but I don’t believe you that you think it’s rigged.

[eaglesfan0075]

I would not say there is an overarching "rigging" of the NFL as a whole. 

However, inconsistencies in officiating do raise legitimate questions in whether there is outside influence over situational outcomes in specific games or not? Yes, part of this is human error, which is to be expected, but it still feels a bit too egregious to chalk it all up to simply that. 

I would not go as far as to praise the NFL as a beacon of morality. It is a business after all, and businesses often have a low threshold to push the boundaries of ethics in the name of profit. Let's not forget how the league swept CTE under the rug until individuals such as forensic pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu (the subject of the movie Concussion starring Will Smith, which is a good movie by the way) went toe to toe against the league.

[MidMoFo]

7 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

I would not say there is an overarching "rigging" of the NFL as a whole. 

However, inconsistencies in officiating do raise legitimate questions in whether there is outside influence over situational outcomes in specific games or not? Yes, part of this is human error, which is to be expected, but it still feels a bit too egregious to chalk it all up to simply that. 

I would not go as far as to praise the NFL as a beacon of morality. It is a business after all, and businesses often have a low threshold to push the boundaries of ethics in the name of profit. Let's not forget how the league swept CTE under the rug until individuals such as forensic pathologist Dr. Bennet Omalu (the subject of the movie Concussion starring Will Smith, which is a good movie by the way) went toe to toe against the league.

The league did try to keep CTE a secret. Ultimately, they were exposed and the truth came out. Rightfully so, the league has now invested in making changes how tackling is done and eventually eliminating the "big hit” situations all the way down to the youth football leagues. They made these changes and investments to "save” the game and keep kids and parents from walking away.

Since the league couldn’t keep CTE under the rug, don’t you think game fixing would eventually come out also?