9 hours ago, IINorthStar said:

1. I believe that is all farce and the real game being played amongst the rich. 

2. No. Which is why I stated if more fans looked into or understood the NFL owners revenue policy, tax bracket, exemptions, etc. Maybe it would at the most consider a second thought. 

3.  I see it as nothing but pure entertainment. A manipulated product. That's where the arguments start. Most fans default is that it's authentic because football is real. Without realizing we are sold more than football in the grand scheme.  Based off what I've watched over the years.. outcome of games, refs bs, players bs, I'm not convinced. There is human error and then there's blatant bs that's completely wrong going by the rule books. From a players pov there are things a coach tells u to never do that u can't call a mistake because u would be benched or fired.  

How does someone figure out if they've been indoctrinated? For example Brady's team would win games they had no business, but we've been conditioned it's no big deal, Brady leads comebacks. Instead of us looking at the spectacles being presented in front of us.

Also fans will say they cheated for Brady while also thinking the rest of the league is clean. That's not only bias but a contradiction. By admitting that they are also admitting the NFL isn't legit.  

 

What is the benefit?

It seems like an awful lot of risk of getting exposed as a fraud, losing the fan base no other sport can even approach ratings wise, without a clear benefit.

4 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

What is the benefit?

It seems like an awful lot of risk of getting exposed as a fraud, losing the fan base no other sport can even approach ratings wise, without a clear benefit.

If you consider their hubris, you have your answer.

11 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

If you consider their hubris, you have your answer.

So you think 1000’s of people have banded together and have decided to risk destroying a multi-billion dollar organization… to stroke their ego?

That’s why you think nfl games are fixed?

8 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

So you think 1000’s of people have banded together and have decided to risk destroying a multi-billion dollar organization… to stroke their ego?

That’s why you think nfl games are fixed?

Yeah this is the dumbest idea ever.  To many people involved to fix games.  And you have head cases like Antonio Brown who would blow the lid off the whole thing.

Man, some are so mean in here.

I feel the sports business is governed and controlled to an extent. They are all here for entertainment and are all businesses so its all about income and profit. Im wearing my conspiracy theory helmet and I do feel that many things in life are setup to control the lower class population in order to have them "farm" for the rich and powerful. All of the decisions being made in this day and age are all about money, profit, stock sharing and greed.

 

4 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

So you think 1000’s of people have banded together and have decided to risk destroying a multi-billion dollar organization… to stroke their ego?

That’s why you think nfl games are fixed?

Their ego is why they don't think there's a risk. 

And I don't think its entirely fixed but perhaps managed and influenced. Like a certain percentage. Every decision they make influences the game itself, including scheduling and penalties that are based on image rather than causality (like unnecessary roughness calls on plays that affected the outcome and thus were "necessary").

10 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

The league did try to keep CTE a secret. Ultimately, they were exposed and the truth came out. Rightfully so, the league has now invested in making changes how tackling is done and eventually eliminating the "big hit” situations all the way down to the youth football leagues. They made these changes and investments to "save” the game and keep kids and parents from walking away.

Since the league couldn’t keep CTE under the rug, don’t you think game fixing would eventually come out also?

Game fixing would involve a lot more moving parts than just trying to dismiss CTE for years. No one here can definitively say the league isn't fixing games, but I would imagine it's on a smaller scale, influencing the outcome of a game via controversial penalty call, rather than systemic league wide game fixing.

As others have commented, the league just has too much to lose if word got out.

7 hours ago, Wormlegs said:

I feel the sports business is governed and controlled to an extent. They are all here for entertainment and are all businesses so its all about income and profit. Im wearing my conspiracy theory helmet and I do feel that many things in life are setup to control the lower class population in order to have them "farm" for the rich and powerful. All of the decisions being made in this day and age are all about money, profit, stock sharing and greed.

 

Welcome to America! How long are you staying?

All kidding aside… competitiveness and unpredictability is the most profitable path for the NFL. Getting caught fixing games and getting the image of WWE like entertainment would end the NFL as we know it. The phrase "any given Sunday” keeps fans in the stands and tv’s on week after week and year after year…

4 hours ago, matchew88 said:

Their ego is why they don't think there's a risk. 

And I don't think its entirely fixed but perhaps managed and influenced. Like a certain percentage. Every decision they make influences the game itself, including scheduling and penalties that are based on image rather than causality (like unnecessary roughness calls on plays that affected the outcome and thus were "necessary").

I guess if you think the billionaire owners are all too stupid to consider risk for their investments, you could come to this conclusion. I would disagree.

Whether they view it as a risk or not, it’s still a huge effing risk for what? A parlay bet at the casino? You still haven’t given me a real benefit to fix the league.

3 hours ago, eaglesfan0075 said:

Game fixing would involve a lot more moving parts than just trying to dismiss CTE for years. No one here can definitively say the league isn't fixing games, but I would imagine it's on a smaller scale, influencing the outcome of a game via controversial penalty call, rather than systemic league wide game fixing.

As others have commented, the league just has too much to lose if word got out.

Yep, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

The only year that I can say for sure that wasn't rigged, was 2017. Every other year, yes. 

9 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Welcome to America! How long are you staying?

All kidding aside… competitiveness and unpredictability is the most profitable path for the NFL. Getting caught fixing games and getting the image of WWE like entertainment would end the NFL as we know it. The phrase "any given Sunday” keeps fans in the stands and tv’s on week after week and year after year…

Hopefully long enough to see that aliens exist and that congress gets blown up. Oh wait, this isnt Mars Attacks? LOL

On 2/10/2022 at 2:06 PM, GA4M said:

Man, some are so mean in here.

Shut up you slapdik

18 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Shut up you slapdik

Whoa here lady, trying drinking a green tea in the morning 

1 hour ago, olsilverhair said:

Whoa here lady, trying drinking a green tea in the morning 

What are you putting in your green tea you old slurring bastid. Or did hpenis drug you again,

On 2/9/2022 at 5:21 PM, Mike030270 said:

 

Though that Chiefs vs Bengals AFCCG certainly made it seem like Chiefs lost on purpose in the end. But that was on the Chiefs and not any ref

 

no conspiracy there, just....Andy Reid....

with the NFL finally embracing sports betting...these questions will always manifest themselves...

On 2/12/2022 at 1:03 PM, flyerdog said:

with the NFL finally embracing sports betting...these questions will always manifest themselves...

That is why I was surprised that the NFL got in bed with gambling. With SO much money at stake, somebody is going to try to rig the game. I'm not sure the NFL has the resources to really police that. That's not to say the league as a whole is dirty but if let's say a wide receiver was offered $250,000 tax free dollars to not make a catch, wouldn't it be tempting?

19 hours ago, eglz1 said:

That is why I was surprised that the NFL got in bed with gambling. With SO much money at stake, somebody is going to try to rig the game. I'm not sure the NFL has the resources to really police that. That's not to say the league as a whole is dirty but if let's say a wide receiver was offered $250,000 tax free dollars to not make a catch, wouldn't it be tempting?

it would, but the good news is that these days there is always a paper trail, or a "cyber" trail. And it would also be a very tall order...because the situation in game would have to be just right that that player's number was called, and that he was open and that he got the ball...etc... 

what could be more disturbing and plausible would be if a HC/GM/Owner was asked (threatened?) to throw a game...or keep a player out.. on game day said player suddenly has an undisclosed injury that forces him out of the game prior to kick off? hmmm.......

3 hours ago, flyerdog said:

it would, but the good news is that these days there is always a paper trail, or a "cyber" trail. And it would also be a very tall order...because the situation in game would have to be just right that that player's number was called, and that he was open and that he got the ball...etc... 

what could be more disturbing and plausible would be if a HC/GM/Owner was asked (threatened?) to throw a game...or keep a player out.. on game day said player suddenly has an undisclosed injury that forces him out of the game prior to kick off? hmmm.......

The U.S. Treasury is still printing $100 bills as well as higher denominations. The trick may be for the subject to accumulate that much cash without raising eyebrows further up or down the chain. I'll bet there are people that know how to do that.

I've often wondered if there was rigging going on.  The main reason being the inconsistency of the refs and some really bad calls/non-calls at crucial times.  I'll definitely concede that officiating is a hard job, but damn, there are some really, really bad calls and missed calls, etc.  People gloss over it with "it's part of the game" or "it all evens out",  but to say some of these calls haven't decided the outcomes of games is just denying the elephant in the room.  

At the same time, if the NFL was fixed, that there is no way it could remain "secret" as there would be whistleblowers at some point.  There would be, at the least, some people out there making these claims (even if those claims would try to be swept under the rug and disregarded as "conspiracy theories", etc).  But, I've never seen one claim from someone who could be "in the know" about such things.

Does the NFL like drama?  Absolutely.  Are there good storylines they'd like to have to ramp up interest?  Sure.  But many good storylines have never materialized because x team lost, etc.  

I don't think the NFL is rigged as a whole like WWE, but I do think there could be some covert things going on like paying off a ref or a player here and there.  

I mean, case in point, I wonder how much #43 made for this (the Minneapolis Miracle)? That looks like a purposeful missed tackle 

On 2/11/2022 at 2:48 PM, EaglePhan1986 said:

Shut up you slapdik

I could mess you up from here, Anderson Cooper. 

On 2/9/2022 at 5:13 PM, matchew88 said:

What do you think? Any instances you saw a game and wondered too?

The Packers ending with Christian Watson seems a little fishy to me, the NFL seems to think Aaron Rodgers and the Packers has to be a top team for the league's success

Bumping because I find this topic still interesting...😁

Is it just a coincidence or could it be a plan that was given some "nudging"...

Tom Brady back in the playoffs after sucking all year....Aaron Rodgers inexplicably in a "win and in" game after the Packers sucked all year.  Washington (yeah, I know it's Washington) crashes and burns (making way for Rodgers) recently because the NFL doesn't like the optics of a franchise under public and legal scrutiny being in the playoffs.  Eagles not locking up the 1 seed so there can be some drama this weekend...I mean, the refs called a holding penalty to wipe out a TD when it was plainly obvious there wasn't anything resembling a hold by Dickerson.

I'm sure there have been more suspect calls/non-calls by the refs in game-changing moments this year.  

Any recent suspect things to make you wonder if the NFL at least has some rigging going on?  Again, I'm not saying that the NFL is staged with outcomes predetermined, etc.  I'm just saying there are always things that make me wonder about some of these things with the refs being in the middle of everything.