JJ Abrams & cast back for 4th Star Trek movie

[NOTW]

Link won't paste for some reason. The cast from the reboots is all mostly back. Dec 2023 release. 

[The_Omega]

Awesome. Hopefully that means Tarantino’s fantasy is over.

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4 hours ago, The_Omega said:

Awesome. Hopefully that means Tarantino’s fantasy is over.

Correct, he's no longer going to make a Trek movie.

[Guest]

Who will take play Chekov??

[iladelphxx]

I thought this said Star Wars at first and was about to throw my phone across the room 

[VaBeach_Eagle]

I've been a huge Star Trek fan my whole life, but I really dislike the Abrams movies. I watched the first one, then watched 15 or 20 minutes of the second one, and honestly didn't even remember that there was a third one (which I've never seen). So him making another, doesn't excite me. 

[homerpat]

57 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I've been a huge Star Trek fan my whole life, but I really dislike the Abrams movies. I watched the first one, then watched 15 or 20 minutes of the second one, and honestly didn't even remember that there was a third one (which I've never seen). So him making another, doesn't excite me. 

Curious what about it you disliked?  was it the fact that he created an alternate timeline so he wouldn’t step in the original show and movies toes?  I enjoyed how he made it more action packed and was able to put spins on previous characters, but can see how it would bother others. It’s same as Discovery. My favorite thing about that show is that it’s a season of one storyline and not monster or mystery of the week, but have seen many complain about that format. 

[VaBeach_Eagle]

24 minutes ago, homerpat said:

Curious what about it you disliked?

As a 'stand alone' Sci-Fi movie, it was well made and well acted. To me, it wasn't Star Trek, though. I saw a huge opportunity for them to reboot and tell new stories, and maybe even re-make a few of the old ones, but they (to me), blew it. 

I saw the first one in the theater and it was an enjoyable movie (for the most part), to watch. But while I went to see other Star Trek movies multiple times in the theater, once was enough for the new one. I started the second one and just couldn't get through more than about 15 or so minutes before I turned it off. I just didn't like the direction they went in. 

Specifics? It's been too long since I've watched, to give specifics. I'm only left with my overall impressions and disappointment... which, in turn, left me with a dislike for Abrams. 

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On 2/19/2022 at 3:14 PM, downundermike said:

Who will take play Chekov??

Was this written to be in his accent?

[homerpat]

2 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

As a 'stand alone' Sci-Fi movie, it was well made and well acted. To me, it wasn't Star Trek, though. I saw a huge opportunity for them to reboot and tell new stories, and maybe even re-make a few of the old ones, but they (to me), blew it. 

I saw the first one in the theater and it was an enjoyable movie (for the most part), to watch. But while I went to see other Star Trek movies multiple times in the theater, once was enough for the new one. I started the second one and just couldn't get through more than about 15 or so minutes before I turned it off. I just didn't like the direction they went in. 

Specifics? It's been too long since I've watched, to give specifics. I'm only left with my overall impressions and disappointment... which, in turn, left me with a dislike for Abrams. 

Generally holds with most critiques. I appreciate that you say as a stand-alone it’s enjoyable and that you just don’t like direction it took. Honestly second one was not great while 3rd which wasn’t JJ was pretty enjoyable. 

[VaBeach_Eagle]

7 hours ago, homerpat said:

Generally holds with most critiques. I appreciate that you say as a stand-alone it’s enjoyable and that you just don’t like direction it took. Honestly second one was not great while 3rd which wasn’t JJ was pretty enjoyable. 

I really like the cast, each one was well placed. To me, there was (and still can be), SO much potential if they would change direction and get back to Star Trek 'reality'. I understand that I'm likely in the minority with my dislike of how they decided to take the franchise, but as much as I wanted to like it, I just didn't. Not as part of the Star Trek universe. 

Maybe if I hadn't grown up my entire life as a Trekkie, I might have thought that the movie was 'amazing'. But I just couldn't see past those 'issues' that I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like. It'd be like a reboot of Star Wars where Luke is a droid, Ben is a Wookie and Han is the name of the ship that Space Smuggler Leia flies around the galaxy. Die Hard Star Wars fans would literally take to the streets with pitchforks. 

As for new movies, I'm still waiting for a DS9 movie. 

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20 hours ago, homerpat said:

Generally holds with most critiques. I appreciate that you say as a stand-alone it’s enjoyable and that you just don’t like direction it took. Honestly second one was not great while 3rd which wasn’t JJ was pretty enjoyable. 

 

13 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I really like the cast, each one was well placed. To me, there was (and still can be), SO much potential if they would change direction and get back to Star Trek 'reality'. I understand that I'm likely in the minority with my dislike of how they decided to take the franchise, but as much as I wanted to like it, I just didn't. Not as part of the Star Trek universe. 

Maybe if I hadn't grown up my entire life as a Trekkie, I might have thought that the movie was 'amazing'. But I just couldn't see past those 'issues' that I'm sure a lot of fans didn't like. It'd be like a reboot of Star Wars where Luke is a droid, Ben is a Wookie and Han is the name of the ship that Space Smuggler Leia flies around the galaxy. Die Hard Star Wars fans would literally take to the streets with pitchforks. 

As for new movies, I'm still waiting for a DS9 movie. 

I wasn't a die hard Trekkie, I had seen the original show which when you watch it decades later feels like watching the old Hulk or Batman TV series that were not taken very seriously, although Star Trek tackled some serious issues as well including the first on-screen interracial kiss.  The movies were a mix, they had some odd ones especially the humpback whale and the last one with only the original cast.  I like the Generations movie that included the Next Generation cast.

I saw the JJ Abrams reboot in the theater with a big time Trekkie.  His primary critiques were he didn't like that they destroyed Vulcan, and had Spock and Uhura in a relationship (although some have pointed out they did have a storyline in the TV show with them if I recall).

Anytime you reboot something and you love the original it's going to just not feel "right."  Because it's different.  Sometimes it's really bad, sometimes just ok and sometimes it's actually good it's just different.

I liked the reboot movie, I thought it paid respect to the originals while doing something fresh.  The 2nd one was pretty good, the 3rd I thought was just ok I think it dragged at times and I didn't connect with the story or characters as much.  A lot of franchises cram in another sequel without making sure it's really good and worth doing.

[VaBeach_Eagle]

24 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I wasn't a die hard Trekkie, I had seen the original show which when you watch it decades later feels like watching the old Hulk or Batman TV series that were not taken very seriously, although Star Trek tackled some serious issues as well including the first on-screen interracial kiss.  The movies were a mix, they had some odd ones especially the humpback whale and the last one with only the original cast.  I like the Generations movie that included the Next Generation cast.

I saw the JJ Abrams reboot in the theater with a big time Trekkie.  His primary critiques were he didn't like that they destroyed Vulcan, and had Spock and Uhura in a relationship (although some have pointed out they did have a storyline in the TV show with them if I recall).

Anytime you reboot something and you love the original it's going to just not feel "right."  Because it's different.  Sometimes it's really bad, sometimes just ok and sometimes it's actually good it's just different.

I liked the reboot movie, I thought it paid respect to the originals while doing something fresh.  The 2nd one was pretty good, the 3rd I thought was just ok I think it dragged at times and I didn't connect with the story or characters as much.  A lot of franchises cram in another sequel without making sure it's really good and worth doing.

I definitely don't view the Original Series in the same way as I would Batman, or even The Incredible Hulk. Not even close. That would be like comparing Star Wars (1977) to Space 1999 or Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Totally different levels that don't equate. 

The Original Series had some 'silly' sort of episodes, mostly in the third season when Gene Roddenberry was essentially gone from the show, Space Hippies comes to mind, but those first two seasons and some select episodes from the third season can hold up against probably any TV series of today. 

With the movies, when The Motion Picture came out, I was 10 and super excited. They definitely could have done a WHOLE LOT better with the story. That movie had it's behind the scenes issues and is part of why it is what it is. But even at that, I saw it multiple times in the theater. That said, it doesn't hold up and is one of my least favorite Trek movies. The arc that started with STII and ended with STIV, was great. The one with the whales was just a fun way to end two more serious stories. Star Trek V was horrible, maybe tied with TMP as my least favorites. VI was good, though. 

Generations wasn't bad, but they should have waited a few years after TNG ended before doing a movie instead of rolling directly into a movie, and the overall story could have been better. 

It's been a little while since I've watched TOS, but I can't recall any romance between Spock and Uhura. That never would have happened in the 60's and made it onto TVs. Getting the Kiss was difficult enough. They forced Nichols and Shatner to shoot the scene two ways, one with the kiss and one without, that way they could decide to not use the kiss, if they so desired. Shatner knew that they would cut it out and it was at the very end of the shooting schedule with no more time to spare, so when they shot the alternate take (without the kiss), he crossed his eyes or made some odd face at the camera so that the take would be unusable and they'd be forced to use the kiss.

I think what you're thinking of is the hints at a potential romance between Spock and Nurse Chapel. She was in love with Spock, but he rebuffed her attempts at romance (I think it was in Amok Time, first episode of season 2). 

From that first reboot movie, I disliked the destruction of Vulcan, the romance with Uhura and also the killing of Amanda. I'm pretty sure there's other things, but it's been a long time since I've watched it... I think there were some timeline sort of issues too, like Kirk being in the Academy while Chekov is actually serving on the Enterprise as an officer. Things like that. 

Like I said, the first movie was a good 'stand alone' movie. One that's not part of the Star Trek timeline/universe. At this point, as far as I'm concerned, the Star Trek franchise has been on hold since the final episode of Enterprise aired (and don't get me started on that crap final episode! lol).

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2 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I definitely don't view the Original Series in the same way as I would Batman, or even The Incredible Hulk. Not even close. That would be like comparing Star Wars (1977) to Space 1999 or Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Totally different levels that don't equate. 

The Original Series had some 'silly' sort of episodes, mostly in the third season when Gene Roddenberry was essentially gone from the show, Space Hippies comes to mind, but those first two seasons and some select episodes from the third season can hold up against probably any TV series of today. 

With the movies, when The Motion Picture came out, I was 10 and super excited. They definitely could have done a WHOLE LOT better with the story. That movie had it's behind the scenes issues and is part of why it is what it is. But even at that, I saw it multiple times in the theater. That said, it doesn't hold up and is one of my least favorite Trek movies. The arc that started with STII and ended with STIV, was great. The one with the whales was just a fun way to end two more serious stories. Star Trek V was horrible, maybe tied with TMP as my least favorites. VI was good, though. 

Generations wasn't bad, but they should have waited a few years after TNG ended before doing a movie instead of rolling directly into a movie, and the overall story could have been better. 

It's been a little while since I've watched TOS, but I can't recall any romance between Spock and Uhura. That never would have happened in the 60's and made it onto TVs. Getting the Kiss was difficult enough. They forced Nichols and Shatner to shoot the scene two ways, one with the kiss and one without, that way they could decide to not use the kiss, if they so desired. Shatner knew that they would cut it out and it was at the very end of the shooting schedule with no more time to spare, so when they shot the alternate take (without the kiss), he crossed his eyes or made some odd face at the camera so that the take would be unusable and they'd be forced to use the kiss.

I think what you're thinking of is the hints at a potential romance between Spock and Nurse Chapel. She was in love with Spock, but he rebuffed her attempts at romance (I think it was in Amok Time, first episode of season 2). 

From that first reboot movie, I disliked the destruction of Vulcan, the romance with Uhura and also the killing of Amanda. I'm pretty sure there's other things, but it's been a long time since I've watched it... I think there were some timeline sort of issues too, like Kirk being in the Academy while Chekov is actually serving on the Enterprise as an officer. Things like that. 

Like I said, the first movie was a good 'stand alone' movie. One that's not part of the Star Trek timeline/universe. At this point, as far as I'm concerned, the Star Trek franchise has been on hold since the final episode of Enterprise aired (and don't get me started on that crap final episode! lol).

I know they're not equal, I'm just saying that looking back on it decades later there's a bit more of a campy vibe to some of the original TV show.  Like Kirk's acting, hooking up with alien chicks, the tribbles, etc.  Whereas ST: TNG was much more serious in most episodes.  TOS was better than most sci-fi at the time but it did have it's campy moments.

Regarding Spock/Uhura, I found a quote from one of the producers of the reboot:

https://fanlore.org/wiki/Spock/Uhura_(AOS)#:~:text=Spock and Uhura have a,the two share a kiss).

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"There was a little flirtation in the original series," says Orci. "But we thought that since we were doing a harmony on some of the things that were happening before, well, what happened in the original series? The first interracial kiss was with Kirk. So we thought what can we do that's different, but that still pays homage to that? Spock!"

So not really based on much.  I think what I've seen are fans taking that and stretching into something more substantial in the original series.

 

On the changes they made, it makes sense.  It's a bit similar to Star Wars: The Last Jedi where Rian Johnson wanted to do a different take but he ended up crapping on some fan favorite stuff.  Doing something really different would have been cool for another Star Wars project, similarly they could have just made new Star Trek movies with new characters rather than reboot with the same.  Hollywood does that with so many reboots instead of just telling new stories.  They have had success with various Star Trek TV shows.

[Steve 17]

It's amazing reading what you guys are saying......... Twice I wanted to jump in this conversation and points have been made where I felt there was no reason no reason to any more.

 Out of everything that has been done on TV.... Voyager stands as my least favorite.  In fact to this day I've only watched a few episodes.

Sad that Enterprise didn't get a few more seasons.

 The movies?.....  The very 1st was kind of poor..... The next gen.... those were ok.....  The 1st contact and nemesis being the best.

JJ' s stuff ?.....  To me the one with Khan was not too good. I felt Benedict Cumberbatch was a poor choice.... The other 2 were OK.

 

[homerpat]

4 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Like I said, the first movie was a good 'stand alone' movie. One that's not part of the Star Trek timeline/universe. At this point, as far as I'm concerned, the Star Trek franchise has been on hold since the final episode of Enterprise aired (and don't get me started on that crap final episode! lol).

Have you tried Picard or Discovery?  You may like picard and probably won’t like discovery but they do bring in Pike and original crew who are getting their own show

 

and Lower Decks is great and hilarious. Tons of mods to original and TNG

[VaBeach_Eagle]

26 minutes ago, homerpat said:

Have you tried Picard or Discovery?  You may like picard and probably won’t like discovery but they do bring in Pike and original crew who are getting their own show

and Lower Decks is great and hilarious. Tons of mods to original and TNG

No, I haven't watched any of the new stuff. I heard mixed reviews on all of it but I just haven't had the time to start them, and really haven't had the interest. If I'm remembering right, I heard mostly negative things about Discovery, but I can't even say for sure on that. 

[homerpat]

14 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

No, I haven't watched any of the new stuff. I heard mixed reviews on all of it but I just haven't had the time to start them, and really haven't had the interest. If I'm remembering right, I heard mostly negative things about Discovery, but I can't even say for sure on that. 

It is season long storylines and super action heavy. takes place post Enterprise. I love it but it is very mixed with fan opinions. I would think you’d like Lower Decks and would recommended you try a few episodes.