Procus Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Seeing how the U.S. bungled the withdrawal from Afghanistan, along with the feckless response to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, it should be a matter of 'when' and not 'if' the Chinese invade Taiwan. Anyone here think that's not going to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Not if the people of Taiwan wise up. The status quo is better than a devastating war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: Not if the people of Taiwan wise up. The status quo is better than a devastating war. Wise up meaning surrender to communist China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Wise up meaning surrender to communist China. No. Negotiate a policy where Taiwan has independence but remains part of China. The only reason Taiwan is making noises about splitting from China is because of U.S. instigation. BTW, the authorities in Taiwan were once allied with the commies but fled to Taiwan over internal squabbles. They've dealt with commies before and they can do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaEagles4Life Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Abracadabra said: No. Negotiate a policy where Taiwan has independence but remains part of China. The only reason Taiwan is making noises about splitting from China is because of U.S. instigation. BTW, the authorities in Taiwan were once allied with the commies but fled to Taiwan over internal squabbles. They've dealt with commies before and they can do it again. Let's ask how that is going for Hong Kong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Abracadabra said: BTW, the authorities in Taiwan were once allied with the commies but fled to Taiwan over internal squabbles. They've dealt with commies before and they can do it again. The Chinese Civil War was from 1927 - 1949. After the communists won the war the old government fled to Taiwan. Is that what you mean by "internal squabbles?” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsdarkstar Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Feckless response to Russia? Russia is now facing the most severe sanctions of any country in the world. Hell even Putin calls it an act of war. The US and NATO have supplied weapons and aid to Ukraine. NATO is unified. Congress is unified in our response. Russians protest daily and the whole world is behind Ukraine. Biden has responded appropriately, every step of the way. No, China sees Ukraine holding back Russian forces. Not to mention that the USA and pacific allies would defend Taiwan. Not to mention we have armed Taiwan. So no, I don't see that happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogyman Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said: Feckless response to Russia? Russia is now facing the most severe sanctions of any country in the world. The US and NATO have supplied weapons and aid to Ukraine. NATO is unified. Congress is unified in our response. Russians protest daily and the whole world is behind Ukraine. Biden has responded appropriately, every step of the way. You do realize that Bojack Horseman only started this thread to throw those way off base comments in, right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsdarkstar Posted March 6, 2022 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Just now, Boogyman said: You do realize that Bojack Horseman only started this thread to throw those way off base comments in, right? I do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Dave Moss said: The Chinese Civil War was from 1927 - 1949. After the communists won the war the old government fled to Taiwan. Is that what you mean by "internal squabbles?” The Chinese Communist party began as a study group within the Nationalist Party in 1921. The Nationalist and the Communists worked together to rid the land of warlords up until 1927. During the "White Terror" of 1927, the Nationalist turned on the Communists and ousted them from the party. This is what I'm referring to when I said internal squabbles. They were both part of the "First United Front." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Abracadabra said: The Chinese Communist party began as a study group within the Nationalist Party in 1921. The Nationalist and the Communists worked together to rid the land of warlords up until 1927. During the "White Terror" of 1927, the Nationalist turned on the Communists and ousted them from the party. This is what I'm referring to when I said internal squabbles. They were both part of the "First United Front." So your example of them working together is from 95 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abracadabra Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: So your example of them working together is from 95 years ago? There's only two examples. The other was even shorter lived. The point is that the differences were never about splitting as a nation. They both claimed to be the legitimate government. The One China policy should be the basis for negotiations. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEagle7 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 This is your daily reminder that China violently established control over one of their island territories under Trump but not under Biden or Obama. Facts are facts people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Dave Moss said: So your example of them working together is from 95 years ago? They also worked together against the Japanese in WWII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Moss Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Procus said: They also worked together against the Japanese in WWII Not really. The U.S. was giving the Nationalists supplies to fight the Japanese and instead they were using them to fight the Communists during WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 China must be watching the Ukraine situation carefully. They saw how quickly the West cut-off ties to Russia. I feel like China won't jeopardize their ties to the West for the relatively smaller gain from Taiwan. China, USA, Japan, and Europe are all top-10 economies in the world. Russia is fading off that list. I think China would much rather sit on the fence, keep Western ties open, while also working with Russia. They'll stay neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikas83 Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 This remains an idiotic comparison for so many reasons. Beyond things like our obligations under the Taiwan Relations Act, or our decades of selling them arms, there's this... https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5830.html $77bn in imports from Taiwan last year. Less than $2bn with Ukraine. https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4623.html Yeah...Taiwan is a slightly different situation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, toolg said: China must be watching the Ukraine situation carefully. They saw how quickly the West cut-off ties to Russia. I feel like China won't jeopardize their ties to the West for the relatively smaller gain from Taiwan. China, USA, Japan, and Europe are all top-10 economies in the world. Russia is fading off that list. I think China would much rather sit on the fence, keep Western ties open, while also working with Russia. They'll stay neutral. China is a totally different animal when it comes to sanctions like Russia is getting. The entire world is far far more dependent on China economically than Russia. If you cut China off like that, be prepared for economic collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, rambo said: China is a totally different animal when it comes to sanctions like Russia is getting. The entire world is far far more dependent on China economically than Russia. If you cut China off like that, be prepared for economic collapse. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambo Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, toolg said: It won't happen. Oh I agree. Just pointing out the 2 countries aren't even in the same ball park when it comes to economic importance, particularly, to the US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procus Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 11 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Not really. The U.S. was giving the Nationalists supplies to fight the Japanese and instead they were using them to fight the Communists during WWII. There's probably truth to what we both wrote. I'm a bit of a Youtube junkie for WWII shorts and was repeating something I saw on a documentary. What you say has a ring of truth to it too. There was a LOT going on with many fronts and different areas of conflict. Here's what I found on Wikepedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_United_Front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanHammersly Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Procus said: There's probably truth to what we both wrote. I'm a bit of a Youtube junkie for WWII shorts and was repeating something I saw on a documentary. What you say has a ring of truth to it too. There was a LOT going on with many fronts and different areas of conflict. Here's what I found on Wikepedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_United_Front 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSnowsHair Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 You know, I'm a bit of a Youtube junkie myself 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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