Posted May 10, 20204 yr Found this on Bleeding Green Nation: " NFC East Outlook: The top player at every offensive position in 2020 - BGNQUARTERBACK - Dak Prescott (Cowboys). It’s just a take; it can’t hurt you. Looking back to 2019 before we gaze forward to 2020, the case that Prescott was the better quarterback is straightforward. Using key metrics from PFF’s QB Annual, the analytics show that Prescott was substantially better than Carson Wentz from a clean pocket, produced more positively graded plays, avoided negative plays, was on target more often, had a better adjusted completion percentage and was more efficient on third down. The areas where Wentz rated higher, like when under pressure and with big time throws, it’s much tighter. Thus Prescott graded higher as a passer (13th vs. 18th) and had added value as a quality runner. It’s not just PFF either. DVOA, QBR, QB Rating, ANY/A, and so on all favor Prescott. The all-mighty film also favors Prescott. He was the more consistent of the two, hitting the proverbial ceiling and avoiding the floor more than Wentz"
May 10, 20204 yr This is correct per PFF rankings. Take them with a grain of salt though. For 2019, Wentz was ranked 16th, Prescott was 10th. Other QBs ranked: Tannehill - 4th Lamar Jackson - 5th Stafford - 8th Garappalo - 13th Fitzpatrick - 14th
May 10, 20204 yr Prescott doesn't have Wentz's ceiling (ie 2017 - last few games of 2019), but he is consistently a borderline top 10 QB and he does stay healthy. He was incredibly bad against us in December though when the division was on the line.
May 10, 20204 yr PFF is a joke as is QBR. Go look at Dak's best games and see where all his yardage came from, he had at least 2-3 games they were losing and the guy got 150+ yards against prevent defense. With that offense he SHOULD be a top 10 QB, but he isn't. Edit: had to look it up and it was GB, BUF and CHI where he threw for a ton of yards because they were losing badly. Also had 4 games with no passing TDs (they lost all of those games) and in 3 of those games he didn't score at all passing or rushing. A guy who has 3 games without contributing to the scoreboard at all is not a top 10 QB, especially when he has pro bowl talent along the OL, at RB and WR.
May 10, 20204 yr Aside from the things listed above, what stats won't tell you is who each respective QB was throwing to. For most of the season Wentz was playing with PS players and toward the end of the season it was PS replacement players.
May 10, 20204 yr Author WELL let's just hope, he can be uninjured for a complete season, and that his receivers are BETTER than PS ones! Can we compare Jalen to Dalton, because this is what we are looking at if Wentz has his usual time of inactivity from injury.
May 10, 20204 yr The truth is Dak is one of the best QBs in the NFL ....in his imagination. And that’s all that matters.
May 10, 20204 yr That article is absolutely ridiculous. All you need is the eye test. Watch these 2 QBs operate week in and week out, and if your actual diagnosis is that Dak is better, then you're an idiot. Carson's receivers consistently had no separation, he had no deep threat, his O-line was consistently dinged, the RBs were hurt all year, and he STILL managed to throw for 317 yards with 4th and 5th string guys to win the division. Eye test - Every single time Dak Prescott throws a pass it's to a WIDE OPEN receiver. He's a 1 read guy, then he checks down to a major weapon. He does not have the arm strength nor the mental capacity to be anything more than he is right now. Holy ish - Carson would probably throw for 7000 yards with those ridiculous weapons.
May 10, 20204 yr I couldn't care less about this context-less and invalid interpretation of statistics.
May 10, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, hputenis said: That article is absolutely ridiculous. All you need is the eye test. Watch these 2 QBs operate week in and week out, and if your actual diagnosis is that Dak is better, then you're an idiot. Carson's receivers consistently had no separation, he had no deep threat, his O-line was consistently dinged, the RBs were hurt all year, and he STILL managed to throw for 317 yards with 4th and 5th string guys to win the division. Eye test - Every single time Dak Prescott throws a pass it's to a WIDE OPEN receiver. He's a 1 read guy, then he checks down to a major weapon. He does not have the arm strength nor the mental capacity to be anything more than he is right now. Holy ish - Carson would probably throw for 7000 yards with those ridiculous weapons. LMAO........
May 10, 20204 yr That's all great and everything, but who was Wentz throwing the ball to? That's a pretty big variable that is not factored into these numbers.
May 10, 20204 yr 9 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: He was incredibly bad against us in December though when the division was on the line. You should take into account that Dak had an injured shoulder or does that matter?
May 10, 20204 yr 42 minutes ago, brkmsn said: I wonder why the Cowboys are afraid to lock him up with an extension? I'm not so sure it's fear as much as it is 40 million for a QB that hasn't really been elite. If Dak was more reasonable and maybe asked for around 32ish they wouldn't have a problem.
May 10, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I'm not so sure it's fear as much as it is 40 million for a QB that hasn't really been elite. If Dak was more reasonable and maybe asked for around 32ish they wouldn't have a problem. What's a high amount today, won't seem so high 2 years later. The bar always moves higher and the longer you wait, the more it costs (the team).
May 11, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, brkmsn said: What's a high amount today, won't seem so high 2 years later. The bar always moves higher and the longer you wait, the more it costs (the team). I understand that and I've always said that. Problem is Dak wants 5-6 million higher then what the highest is right now. The cowboys already are in that position
May 11, 20204 yr 10 hours ago, devpool said: A guy who has 3 games without contributing to the scoreboard at all is not a top 10 QB, especially when he has pro bowl talent along the OL, at RB and WR. I wonder if the level of WR talent was pretty even between Prescott and Wentz last year? Ummmm Nope!
May 11, 20204 yr 14 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: I understand that and I've always said that. Problem is Dak wants 5-6 million higher then what the highest is right now. The cowboys already are in that position Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract. I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB. And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division.
May 11, 20204 yr 8 minutes ago, Devaster said: Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract. I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB. And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division. Flacco was on his rookie contract when he won the super bowl. Then they debated on using the franchise tag on him after he won the super bowl but never did they signed him to the highest contract for a QB at the time for 6 yrs 120 million.
May 11, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, Devaster said: Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract. I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB. And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division. You can't use stats by themselves, we've discussed this in the thread already. There have been games where dak doesn't do jack ish and games where he has a ton of yardage because they were being blown out. And again he has the best supporting cast in the division. There is no reason that team should not have won the division the last 2 seasons, dak is the weakest link on offense.
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