Is this BS?

[nicks]

Found this on Bleeding Green Nation:

 

" NFC East Outlook: The top player at every offensive position in 2020 - BGN
QUARTERBACK - Dak Prescott (Cowboys). It’s just a take; it can’t hurt you. Looking back to 2019 before we gaze forward to 2020, the case that Prescott was the better quarterback is straightforward. Using key metrics from PFF’s QB Annual, the analytics show that Prescott was substantially better than Carson Wentz from a clean pocket, produced more positively graded plays, avoided negative plays, was on target more often, had a better adjusted completion percentage and was more efficient on third down. The areas where Wentz rated higher, like when under pressure and with big time throws, it’s much tighter. Thus Prescott graded higher as a passer (13th vs. 18th) and had added value as a quality runner. It’s not just PFF either. DVOA, QBR, QB Rating, ANY/A, and so on all favor Prescott. The all-mighty film also favors Prescott. He was the more consistent of the two, hitting the proverbial ceiling and avoiding the floor more than Wentz"

[AngryBird]

How are stats and analytics BS exactly? They are what they are.

[Cheesteakitis]

[RPeeteRules]

This is correct per PFF rankings.  Take them with a grain of salt though.  For 2019, Wentz was ranked 16th, Prescott was 10th.  Other QBs ranked:

Tannehill - 4th

Lamar Jackson - 5th

Stafford - 8th

Garappalo - 13th

Fitzpatrick - 14th

[ManchesterEagle]

Prescott doesn't have Wentz's ceiling (ie 2017 - last few games of 2019), but he is consistently a borderline top 10 QB and he does stay healthy.

He was incredibly bad against us in December though when the division was on the line.

[devpool]

PFF is a joke as is QBR. Go look at Dak's best games and see where all his yardage came from, he had at least 2-3 games they were losing and the guy got 150+ yards against prevent defense. With that offense he SHOULD be a top 10 QB, but he isn't. 

Edit: had to look it up and it was GB, BUF and CHI where he threw for a ton of yards because they were losing badly. Also had 4 games with no passing TDs (they lost all of those games) and in 3 of those games he didn't score at all passing or rushing. A guy who has 3 games without contributing to the scoreboard at all is not a top 10 QB, especially when he has pro bowl talent along the OL, at RB and WR. 

[Nivraga]

Aside from the things listed above, what stats won't tell you is who each respective QB was throwing to. For most of the season Wentz was playing with PS players and toward the end of the season it was PS replacement players.

[nicks]

WELL let's just hope, he can be uninjured for a complete season, and that his receivers are BETTER than PS ones! Can we compare Jalen to Dalton, because this is what we are looking at if Wentz has his usual time of inactivity from injury.

[Br3]

The truth is Dak is one of the best QBs in the NFL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

....in his imagination. And that’s all that matters. 

[dawkdaballhawk]

I don’t care if Dallas has Jesus as QB. I’ll never admit they have a better QB. 

[JP HOF]

the person who wrote that is a fool, should be fired.

[The Norseman]

Dak is a bum.  Who cares what these stats say. 

[hputenis]

That article is absolutely ridiculous.  All you need is the eye test.  Watch these 2 QBs operate week in and week out, and if your actual diagnosis is that Dak is better, then you're an idiot.  Carson's receivers consistently had no separation, he had no deep threat, his O-line was consistently dinged, the RBs were hurt all year, and he STILL managed to throw for 317 yards with 4th and 5th string guys to win the division.  Eye test - Every single time Dak Prescott throws a pass it's to a WIDE OPEN receiver.  He's a 1 read guy, then he checks down to a major weapon.  He does not have the arm strength nor the mental capacity to be anything more than he is right now.  Holy ish - Carson would probably throw for 7000 yards with those ridiculous weapons.  

[PoconoDon]

I couldn't care less about this context-less and invalid interpretation of statistics. 

 

[birdman#12]

1 hour ago, hputenis said:

That article is absolutely ridiculous.  All you need is the eye test.  Watch these 2 QBs operate week in and week out, and if your actual diagnosis is that Dak is better, then you're an idiot.  Carson's receivers consistently had no separation, he had no deep threat, his O-line was consistently dinged, the RBs were hurt all year, and he STILL managed to throw for 317 yards with 4th and 5th string guys to win the division.  Eye test - Every single time Dak Prescott throws a pass it's to a WIDE OPEN receiver.  He's a 1 read guy, then he checks down to a major weapon.  He does not have the arm strength nor the mental capacity to be anything more than he is right now.  Holy ish - Carson would probably throw for 7000 yards with those ridiculous weapons.  

LMAO........

[Dweedlebug]

That's all great and everything, but who was Wentz throwing the ball to?  That's a pretty big variable that is not factored into these numbers.

[EagleVA]

9 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

He was incredibly bad against us in December though when the division was on the line.

You should take into account that Dak had an injured shoulder or does that matter?

[brkmsn]

I wonder why the Cowboys are afraid to lock him up with an extension?

[Bwestbrook36]

42 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I wonder why the Cowboys are afraid to lock him up with an extension?

I'm not so sure it's fear as much as it is 40 million for a QB that hasn't really been elite. If Dak was more reasonable and maybe asked for around 32ish they wouldn't have a problem. 

[brkmsn]

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'm not so sure it's fear as much as it is 40 million for a QB that hasn't really been elite. If Dak was more reasonable and maybe asked for around 32ish they wouldn't have a problem. 

What's a high amount today, won't seem so high 2 years later. The bar always moves higher and the longer you wait, the more it costs (the team). 

[Bwestbrook36]

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What's a high amount today, won't seem so high 2 years later. The bar always moves higher and the longer you wait, the more it costs (the team). 

I understand that and I've always said that. Problem is Dak wants 5-6 million higher then what the highest is right now. The cowboys already are in that position

[eglz1]

10 hours ago, devpool said:

 A guy who has 3 games without contributing to the scoreboard at all is not a top 10 QB, especially when he has pro bowl talent along the OL, at RB and WR. 

I wonder if the level of WR talent was pretty even between Prescott and Wentz last year?

Ummmm

Nope!

[Devaster]

14 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I understand that and I've always said that. Problem is Dak wants 5-6 million higher then what the highest is right now. The cowboys already are in that position

Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract.

I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB.

And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division.

[Bwestbrook36]

8 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract.

I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB.

And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division.

Flacco was on his rookie contract when he won the super bowl. Then they debated on using the franchise tag on him after he won the super bowl but never did they signed him to the highest contract for a QB at the time for 6 yrs 120 million. 

[devpool]

9 minutes ago, Devaster said:

Dak also wants shorter guaranteed contracts like Cousins so he can reset the market as the QB salary continues to go up in a couple years. Cowboys would prefer to lock him up for 5+ seasons so that he will come at a discount towards the end of his contract.

I think the Cowboys also aren't sold on him being a true franchise QB long-term, similar to how the Ravens viewed Flacco and let him ride out the franchise tag until he won a SB.

And while I also think Wentz in the best QB in the division, Dak has definitely been the more consistent and healthier option. Dak has won more games and has overall better stats. Wentz has the higher ceiling and can be the better QB, but so far Dak has been the best QB in the division.

You can't use stats by themselves, we've discussed this in the thread already. There have been games where dak doesn't do jack ish and games where he has a ton of yardage because they were being blown out. And again he has the best supporting cast in the division. There is no reason that team should not have won the division the last 2 seasons, dak is the weakest link on offense.