Fire Howie!

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Fire Howie!

52 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He's had to fix his own mistakes and gets praised for it. They are among the most in dead cap money. His drafting has mostly been terrible. He's continued to extend old or injury prone veterans because he can't adequately draft replacements. He gave Wentz that big contract before he proved he could stay healthy, then gets praised for being able to trade him. He's changed his philosophy every year with themes ranging from extend all the veterans, to go younger and draft all the speed over BPA talent or trying too hard to draft clones of players like Jeffrey, Sproles or Jackson. He is not a talent evaluator and doesn't know what he's doing in the draft.

The bar is so low for him, that last year's draft is seen as "great" because he took the no-brainer consensus pick for once then got a few backups. We'll see how many of them get a second contract. And what he does with this year's draft capital. 

Dickerson has looked like a solid pick thus far - just hope he stays healthy (**knock on wood**) - as does Williams.  

I f'ing hate this goddamn little weasel.

 

I know the mob mentality on this board always seems to take over and the typical reaction is to hate the guy because,  you know… the internet…

The safe and popular route most people seem to take here is to vilify the guy. And I’ll admit he’s made bad calls on some contracts and a fair share of draft picks. But, I think fans of many other NFL teams feel the same way about their GM. Every GM is going to have hits and misses. Some big and some small.. Howie just seems to play it safe… and maybe that’s why so many on here are so furious with him… He doesn’t swing for the fences every single year… and you wanna know why? Because GMs that do that don’t typically last very long. Because big moves that don’t pan out can set a franchise back for years and get you fired… And the fans screaming for you to make those big moves are the same ones that will scream for you to be hanged, drawn, and quartered if it doesn’t work out. 

 

I really never see anyone on this board coming up with other options as far as who to bring in that would do a better job… no other input other than screaming for his head and complaining about him and/or Lurie. So many teams have had much less success and have had multiple GMs in the time Howie has been here. Just look at the Browns … The Bears… The Lions… etc…

The Bears were trying to trade for Deshaun Watson last year before the off-season scandal stuff broke out… And it’s common knowledge that it was going to involve multiple 1st round picks… A kings random- all to try to bring in a QB that they had passed over in the 2017 draft and selected Trubisky with the #2 overall pick… Meanwhile, Trubisky was on the bench in Buffalo… and at years end, they ended up firing both coach and GM…. Another new regime in Chicago… seems like that’s been the case for decades now. And that’s just one example.
 

I think it’s just the fashionable thing to do on this board to pile on the front office/ownership because well, again… the internet…

But Lurie and Howie have both given us a Lombardi. How quickly we forget….And it was all after we were about as low as we had been in a LONG time after the Chip Kelly debacle. I love my team and I get emotional and passionate about them as much as anyone else,  but I’m also capable of looking at at it from a rational and analytical perspective…. And like many other popular topic opinions on this board, I’m going to disagree with this outright hatred of Roseman. A certain amount of criticism is fair and justified, - I’ve been critical off moves he’s made too… but acting as though re-signing him dooms us?!? Complete bullish!t… go back through the entire history of the Eagles- He’s the only Eagles GM in history with a Lombardi. I’m not saying that gives him a GM-for-life pass, and I’m not saying that you can’t criticize and question contracts, cuts, signings, trades, draft picks, extensions, etc.. but no way he deserves this much hate and criticism.

2 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Dickerson has looked like a solid pick thus far - just hope he stays healthy (**knock on wood**) - as does Williams.  

Right, they're backups. On a team in desperate need of young starters. Maybe Dickerson becomes a starter, his talent has that potential, it's the injury concern. Williams and Gainwell were decent picks as backups. 

Again, the bar is so low for his drafts that getting some backups who aren't  busts becomes a celebration. 

 

55 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He's had to fix his own mistakes and gets praised for it. They are among the most in dead cap money. His drafting has mostly been terrible. He's continued to extend old or injury prone veterans because he can't adequately draft replacements. He gave Wentz that big contract before he proved he could stay healthy, then gets praised for being able to trade him. He's changed his philosophy every year with themes ranging from extend all the veterans, to go younger and draft all the speed over BPA talent or trying too hard to draft clones of players like Jeffrey, Sproles or Jackson. He is not a talent evaluator and doesn't know what he's doing in the draft.

The bar is so low for him, that last year's draft is seen as "great" because he took the no-brainer consensus pick for once then got a few backups. We'll see how many of them get a second contract. And what he does with this year's draft capital. 

Last year's draft was great because he was able to make the "no-brainer consensus pick" while maneuvering around the draft and picking up an extra first. That's a pretty big deal. Dickerson looks to be a great pick, Williams looks to have the potential to be a great third round pick, and we may have picked up a "few backups" in rounds 5-7 in Kenneth Gainwell, Patrick Johnson, and Tarron Jackson.

There are plenty of legitimate gripes about Howie, but writing off a draft that has the potential to be great just because you don't like him makes you come off as a hater. 

Just now, Kz! said:

There are plenty of legitimate gripes about Howie, but writing off a draft that has the potential to be great just because you don't like him makes you come off as a hater. 

I think him picking Reagor over Jefferson the year before gives us that luxury.

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Will you change your tune if he uses all of those picks (and possibly our 2023 1st, as suggested by some) to trade for Watson?

I would be very disappointed if he did that. 

33 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

We don't really extend many young players outside the offensive line where Stoutland can make a huge difference, Barnett and Dillard look like they won't get extensions when was the last time we gave a long term extension to a defensive back we drafted? The headline young player extension he had to make (Wentz) he screwed up, and his constant salami slicing of older players salaries into bonus means that Lane, Fletch and Graham are immovable (and predate Howie's drafting).

Maddox, Goedert, Seumalo, Sweat

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Right, they're backups. On a team in desperate need of young starters. Maybe Dickerson becomes a starter, his talent has that potential, it's the injury concern. Williams and Gainwell were decent picks as backups. 

Again, the bar is so low for his drafts that getting some backups who aren't  busts becomes a celebration. 

 

You're being a little hard on Dickerson.  In fairness, after a rough start he ended the season looking like the Eagles LG for the next decade.  But overall?  This is as important a draft as Howie's had because they have so much capital. 

2 minutes ago, Perforator said:

I think him picking Reagor over Jefferson the year before gives us that luxury.

Yeah, that was an absolutely awful pick, and, unless Hurts ends up as the guy going forward (which I don't think he is), 2020 was an awful draft. I'm by no means a big fan of Howie's, and if we don't improve over the next few seasons or continue to wallow in mediocrity, I'll be pissed if he gets another extension. I just don't think we have to downplay a really good draft that included really good-to-great maneuvering to get the point across. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Yeah, that was an absolutely awful pick, and, unless Hurts ends up as the guy going forward (which I don't think he is), 2020 was an awful draft. I'm by no means a big fan of Howie's, and if we don't improve over the next few seasons or continue to wallow in mediocrity, I'll be pissed if he gets another extension. I just don't think we have to downplay a really good draft that included really good-to-great maneuvering to get the point across. 

 

 

I dont know if it will be a completely awful draft even if that happens. They still have a chance with Davion Taylor, Wallace, Quez Watkins, and Jack Driscoll.

Some years are better than others. Look at the 2018 draft. They resigned 4 out of their 5 draft picks to a second contract. That is a pretty good haul.

14 minutes ago, Perforator said:

I think him picking Reagor over Jefferson the year before gives us that luxury.

Agree, but the Eagles version of Jefferson may not be what he is in Minnesota.  They have a track record of good receivers.  We don't. 

18 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Avonte Maddox a few months ago?

Ah damn I always forget the one obvious one, OK, prior to Maddox name a defensive back we drafted and kept beyond a rookie contract, Kendricks in 2015? I think we may have let Nate Allen test the market and then signed him cheap in 2013?  So that's 2 or 3 in a shade over a decade of drafting that we thought were worth more than 3 years, so we're either drafting bang average starters or refusing to value players like Hicks or can't see talent that's under our noses like Jordan Poyer.

8 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I dont know if it will be a completely awful draft even if that happens. They still have a chance with Davion Taylor, Wallace, Quez Watkins, and Jack Driscoll.

Some years are better than others. Look at the 2018 draft. They resigned 4 out of their 5 draft picks to a second contract. That is a pretty good haul.

That draft could still wind up being a good one, but I think we're trending toward horrible at the moment. Watkins and Driscoll are firmly in the solid-to-good pick category, but I'm not sold on Taylor. He's more of a question mark trending toward bad since he can't stay healthy and, beyond flashing great athleticism a few times, hasn't really done much on the field. 

I'd call the 2018 draft a great draft considering the lack of picks and what we've gotten out of it. The biggest problem there is it's sandwiched in between two really awful drafts in 2017 and 2019.

28 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Last year's draft was great because he was able to make the "no-brainer consensus pick" while maneuvering around the draft and picking up an extra first. That's a pretty big deal. Dickerson looks to be a great pick, Williams looks to have the potential to be a great third round pick, and we may have picked up a "few backups" in rounds 5-7 in Kenneth Gainwell, Patrick Johnson, and Tarron Jackson.

There are plenty of legitimate gripes about Howie, but writing off a draft that has the potential to be great just because you don't like him makes you come off as a hater. 

Spinning a bunch of backups as "great" makes you come off as a homer.

Great picks were Goedert, Mailaita, Lane Johnson & Ertz.

When fans complain, it's said to not judge a draft until 3 years. Now fans want to declare it great immediately. Let's see who's still on the team & gets a 2nd contract. 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Spinning a bunch of backups as "great" makes you come off as a homer.

Great picks were Goedert, Mailaita, Lane Johnson & Ertz.

When fans complain, it's said to not judge a draft until 3 years. Now fans want to declare it great immediately. Let's see who's still on the team & gets a 2nd contract. 

Going by what we've seen so far, Dickerson appears to be a great pick. He started 13 games as a rookie and played well. He's going to be a starter opening day in year two. For a third round pick, Williams flashed really great potential. Sure, those dudes could end up getting hurt and sucking, but based on what we've seen so far, those are good to great picks. 

1 hour ago, MagicMoment said:

I literally stared at this news on ESPN for 2 minutes shocked. This guy has to have pictures of Lurie.  

No but he covers for Lurie when the owner insists on drafting Whiteside 

I just don't understand why they didn't wait until after the draft to see how well he did... Yeah it's too early to judge the players but it doesn't mean that he won't make any head scratching picks which everyone knows he is more than capable of doing 

32 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I dont know if it will be a completely awful draft even if that happens. They still have a chance with Davion Taylor, Wallace, Quez Watkins, and Jack Driscoll.

Some years are better than others. Look at the 2018 draft. They resigned 4 out of their 5 draft picks to a second contract. That is a pretty good haul.

Meh. Goedert is a nice player, though inconsistent. Mailata is a hit, but much bigger props to Stoutland. Sweat and Maddox are JAGs. 

35 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I dont know if it will be a completely awful draft even if that happens. They still have a chance with Davion Taylor, Wallace, Quez Watkins, and Jack Driscoll.

Those guys are scrubs except Watkins who is a decent role player at WR. This is how we have to stretch to defend Howie's drafting.  The bar is low.

1 hour ago, DevilMayRage said:

I f'ing hate this goddamn little weasel.

 

I legit laughed out loud at this inside a restaurant 

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

You're being a little hard on Dickerson.  In fairness, after a rough start he ended the season looking like the Eagles LG for the next decade.  But overall?  This is as important a draft as Howie's had because they have so much capital. 

Agreed on all.  Dickerson was our starting LG and looked like he is there to stay.  Williams is a backup only because the starting tandem are set, but he did rotate in quite a bit and looks to have starter potential when we move on from Cox (guessing in 2 seasons when his contract expires … knock on wood barring any more restructures that tie us to him even longer).  

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