9 hours ago, NOTW said:

^ that's you getting excited to defend the next bust draft pick for 2 years. 

Well he is defending Barnett right now with  " his penalties are overblown". 

Literally has more penalties then sacks in his career.

This is like when he defends a player for being injury prone because they only missed that one whole season and the other injury was during the off season so it doesn't count 

They are overblown because some of them were bad calls LMAO. 

It's sad to see people congratulating Howie when he's just trying to fix the crap contracts that he made and restructuring while kicking the can

Stop giving Howie a hard time.  Howie is doing the best he can given the terrible situation Howie put him in.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Stop giving Howie a hard time.  Howie is doing the best he can given the terrible situation Howie put him in.

 

Not enough is said about how bad the Eagles salary cap still projects to be 2 years after they aren't paying a franchise QB.  That's unheard of. Last year I get but that was it. You were supposed to pay Wentz that anyway and you didn't replace him with a high salary so the pain should have been one year.  This is the result gross negligence and incompetence. 

20 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Not enough is said about how bad the Eagles salary cap still projects to be 2 years after they aren't paying a franchise QB.  That's unheard of. Last year I get but that was it. You were supposed to pay Wentz that anyway and you didn't replace him with a high salary so the pain should have been one year.  This is the result gross negligence and incompetence. 

I'm not sure I understand the complaint.  You don't escape cap issues in just 1 year, at least without gutting the team, and the Eagles cap position is ... fine.  They have the 5th most cap space in the NFL this year and are middle-of-the-packish for 2023.  Just 14 months ago they were projected to be $53M over the cap for 2021 and now they have $23M of space ... that's a $76M turnaround in a single year, a year in which they made the playoffs and managed to garner three 1st round picks.

59 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

I'm not sure I understand the complaint.  You don't escape cap issues in just 1 year, at least without gutting the team, and the Eagles cap position is ... fine.  They have the 5th most cap space in the NFL this year and are middle-of-the-packish for 2023.  Just 14 months ago they were projected to be $53M over the cap for 2021 and now they have $23M of space ... that's a $76M turnaround in a single year, a year in which they made the playoffs and managed to garner three 1st round picks.

Escape cap issues...he created. See the bigger picture. He had to restructure veterans which is fine in and of itself. But in 2023 they're 21st in cap space and in 2024 they're 30th...Howie keeps kicking that can down the road, they are top 5 in dead money this year. He keeps making messes then you guys celebrate him for cleaning them up. Instead, he could've used money on adding a couple quality free agents. 

Top 5 in dead money. Howie's still paying Malik Jackson $9 mil this year, Alshon Jeffery $5 mil, etc. He's been paying guys like Brooks, Johnson and Graham to sit on IR. 

Howie isn't a cap genius or shrewd with contracts anymore. He's average at best.

23 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Escape cap issues...he created. See the bigger picture. He had to restructure veterans which is fine in and of itself. But in 2023 they're 21st in cap space and in 2024 they're 30th...Howie keeps kicking that can down the road, they are top 5 in dead money this year. He keeps making messes then you guys celebrate him for cleaning them up. Instead, he could've used money on adding a couple quality free agents. 

Top 5 in dead money. Howie's still paying Malik Jackson $9 mil this year, Alshon Jeffery $5 mil, etc. He's been paying guys like Brooks, Johnson and Graham to sit on IR. 

Howie isn't a cap genius or shrewd with contracts anymore. He's average at best.

The bigger picture that you refuse to see to make a moot point:

-We had to get rid of Wentz, a signing almost everyone here wanted even though now people won‘t admit that

-Covid lowering the cap, which noone could have seen coming

So with these huge obstacles we had one year (!) where we had to restrain our FA spending while pretty much keeping everyone we like. And the rest is just baseless moaning about your cap fetish without any reason. Year after year you guys paint the doomsday scenario, how we need to get rid of players, how bad it will be next year- and then it never is.

How about you open your eyes and take a look at past moves, past spending, past actual cap? Wouldn‘t support your foolish argument? And don‘t say he is kicking the can. Every half decent GM does it. The teams with tons of cap are all garbage in rebuild.

22 minutes ago, Infam said:

The bigger picture that you refuse to see to make a moot point:

-We had to get rid of Wentz, a signing almost everyone here wanted even though now people won‘t admit that

-Covid lowering the cap, which noone could have seen coming

So with these huge obstacles we had one year (!) where we had to restrain our FA spending while pretty much keeping everyone we like. And the rest is just baseless moaning about your cap fetish without any reason. Year after year you guys paint the doomsday scenario, how we need to get rid of players, how bad it will be next year- and then it never is.

How about you open your eyes and take a look at past moves, past spending, past actual cap? Wouldn‘t support your foolish argument? And don‘t say he is kicking the can. Every half decent GM does it. The teams with tons of cap are all garbage in rebuild.

Another Howie failure: giving Wentz that huge contract when he hadn't proven he could stay healthy and was on the decline. You're celebrating him fixing his own mistake.

It's not just COVID year cap. He kept extending old injury prone guys like Peters, Brooks, Jeffery, Jackson, Johnson, paying them to sit on IR. He's had to fix those mistakes and he's STILL paying money for Malik Jackson and Alshon Jeffery! 

His best days are behind him. He's bad at drafting and has to re-learn how to be a GM every year. One year he tries to draft clones of players, another year he drafts all the speeeeed forget BPA. He is an Accountant playing fantasy football with a real team and it shows.

Lurie seems fine with it, so all the can kicking crying you guys do means nothing. 

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

Another Howie failure: giving Wentz that huge contract when he hadn't proven he could stay healthy and was on the decline. You're celebrating him fixing his own mistake.

It's not just COVID year cap. He kept extending old injury prone guys like Peters, Brooks, Jeffery, Jackson, Johnson, paying them to sit on IR. He's had to fix those mistakes and he's STILL paying money for Malik Jackson and Alshon Jeffery! 

His best days are behind him. He's bad at drafting and has to re-learn how to be a GM every year. One year he tries to draft clones of players, another year he drafts all the speeeeed forget BPA. He is an Accountant playing fantasy football with a real team and it shows.

One small correction. Howie isn’t an accountant. Joe Banner was the accountant. Howie is a lawyer playing fantasy football. 
 

As you were…

 

4 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

One small correction. Howie isn’t an accountant. Joe Banner was the accountant. Howie is a lawyer playing fantasy football. 
 

As you were…

 

Yeah yeah. He started as salary cap intern and before he got his hands on personnel he was handling contracts hence the Accountant good with contracts now playing fantasy football. Just let me have this Joe! 

Unfortunately we will never know what the reaction would have been if Howie didn't sign some of these contracts that got us here. But I can imagine there would have been a lot of criticism if he didn't. I don't recall there being much outrage at the time these deals were made. There is plenty to criticize Howie for but kicking the can down road just seems a bit disingenuous if not hypocritical to me. 

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

Escape cap issues...he created. See the bigger picture. He had to restructure veterans which is fine in and of itself. But in 2023 they're 21st in cap space and in 2024 they're 30th...Howie keeps kicking that can down the road, they are top 5 in dead money this year. He keeps making messes then you guys celebrate him for cleaning them up. Instead, he could've used money on adding a couple quality free agents. 

Top 5 in dead money. Howie's still paying Malik Jackson $9 mil this year, Alshon Jeffery $5 mil, etc. He's been paying guys like Brooks, Johnson and Graham to sit on IR. 

Howie isn't a cap genius or shrewd with contracts anymore. He's average at best.

"He created cap issues a few years ago” is perfectly fair criticism, but it’s very different than the "he didn’t clean up cap issues within a year” complaint that I responded to.

21st in cap space for 2023 and 30th in 2024 is a bit misleading because they can roll over the 2022 cap space, which they have the 5th most of right now, so they are actually better off than that.  (And in fact, Spotrac lists them as 15th and 24th in those two years - not sure why the better numbers there.)

Plus, even those numbers are misleading because they have the most players under contract of any NFL franchise in 2023 and 2024.  E.g, in 2023, they have 44 players under contract that apply to the cap - of the teams with more cap space than them that year, only 3 have more than even 30 players under contract that apply to the cap.  Once the teams ahead of them make up that gap in contracted players, many of their cap numbers will balloon past the Eagles.

As far as their 2022 dead cap money goes, I’m kind of a "meh, who cares” guy.  The question to ask on that front is whether the team had so much dead cap money that they could not retain good players on their roster, and that’s just not the case with the Eagles.

I do agree with you that Roseman is not a cap genius, but basically because I don’t believe there is any such thing.  Roseman is highly effective at cap management though.  For instance, the Fletcher Cox restructuring that just occurred (which is what the release and resigning is more properly thought of as) was a creative new twist on cap management that I do not believe had been seen before, and he deserves credit for that — few GMs would have come up with that.

From my perspective, virtually all legitimate criticism of Roseman comes down to NFL draft results.  Other than that, he is an excellent GM, and even there, he is more of a mixed bag, though I am not sure I could ever forgive him for Raegor over Jefferson.

13 hours ago, BayAreaLennie said:

21st in cap space for 2023 and 30th in 2024 is a bit misleading because they can roll over the 2022 cap space, which they have the 5th most of right now, so they are actually better off than that.  (And in fact, Spotrac lists them as 15th and 24th in those two years - not sure why the better numbers there.)

They have cap to roll but they probably still make another couple of FA additions (no big money ones) and they need to sign their draft picks. So yes they'll roll some of the cap but I don't think they'll be rolling all that much. 

I have a feeling we will always be ranked in the bottom of the league as it relates to cap space in future years under Howie (regardless of what the current year's cap looks like) from his continued kicking the can down the road cap management strategy (and adding dummy years to spread out prorated bonuses).  

Pleasantly surprised by Howie's off-season so far. Added a double digit sack artist and a 3 down LB, both at relatively low cost. No panic moves yet.

Just need him to keep the long view in mind, this is a multi-year rebuild, so don't trade up in the draft, trade down. Accumulate more assets.

Follow the 2021 draft approach. We still have a long way to go.

On 3/25/2022 at 3:14 AM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Well he is defending Barnett right now with  " his penalties are overblown". 

Literally has more penalties then sacks in his career.

This is like when he defends a player for being injury prone because they only missed that one whole season and the other injury was during the off season so it doesn't count 

They are overblown because some of them were bad calls LMAO. 

Not exactly. To me it's like the "LJ Smith fumbles" or the "JP false starts." Sure, they happened, but not anywhere near as frequently as people want to pretend. 

Here is what Barnett had last year: Defensive Offside (3), Roughing the Passer (3), Unnecessary Roughness (1), Neutral Zone Infraction (1)

Here is what Joey Bosa had last year: Roughing the Passer (5), Defensive Offside (3), Unsportsmanlike Conduct (1), Neutral Zone Infraction (1)

Here is what Maxx Crosby had for the Raiders: Defensive Offside (3), Roughing the Passer (3), Neutral Zone Infraction (2), Unnecessary Roughness (1)

Here is what Everson Griffen had in 9 games last year: Roughing the Passer (3), Illegal Use of Hands (2), Defensive Offside (2)

R. Gregory (12 games): Neutral Zone Infraction (3), Unnecessary Roughness (2), Defensive Offside (1), Defensive Holding (1)

 

Barnett had 3 penalties (13 games) in 2020 (2 offsides, 1 unnecessary roughness). 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Not exactly. To me it's like the "LJ Smith fumbles" or the "JP false starts." Sure, they happened, but not anywhere near as frequently as people want to pretend. 

Here is what Barnett had last year: Defensive Offside (3), Roughing the Passer (3), Unnecessary Roughness (1), Neutral Zone Infraction (1)

Here is what Joey Bosa had last year: Roughing the Passer (5), Defensive Offside (3), Unsportsmanlike Conduct (1), Neutral Zone Infraction (1)

Here is what Maxx Crosby had for the Raiders: Defensive Offside (3), Roughing the Passer (3), Neutral Zone Infraction (2), Unnecessary Roughness (1)

Here is what Everson Griffen had in 9 games last year: Roughing the Passer (3), Illegal Use of Hands (2), Defensive Offside (2)

R. Gregory (12 games): Neutral Zone Infraction (3), Unnecessary Roughness (2), Defensive Offside (1), Defensive Holding (1)

 

Barnett had 3 penalties (13 games) in 2020 (2 offsides, 1 unnecessary roughness). 

Tell that to the head coach. 

 

He’s not a cap guru

He’s fooled a lot of fans still

Fire Howie

26 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He’s not a cap guru

He’s fooled a lot of fans still

Fire Howie

He's probably done worse with the cap than most teams.

On 3/26/2022 at 6:10 AM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Lurie seems fine with it, so all the can kicking crying you guys do means nothing. 

How bout I kick you in the can while simultaneously catching those little berries Andrew Twiggins?!!

 

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He’s not a cap guru

He’s fooled a lot of fans still

Fire Howie

And replace him with? Who's your dream GM?

1 minute ago, Thing3 said:

And replace him with? Who's your dream GM?

It doesn't matter. We can always fire the next guy ... and the next guy ...

14 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

They have cap to roll but they probably still make another couple of FA additions (no big money ones) and they need to sign their draft picks. So yes they'll roll some of the cap but I don't think they'll be rolling all that much. 

That’s fair, though I doubt any future free agent additions this season are sizable enough to really affect their cap.  But you never know — e,g,., CB Gilmore is still out there.  A trade that would affect the cap, e.g., for a veteran WR, seems more likely to me (including if they jump out to, say, a 6-2 record, they could pull off an Ajayi type deal).

All in all, though, I am just not that concerned about their cap situation or Roseman’s ability to deal with it.