May 12, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said: Going to court most likely. Jail maybe not. Jury hears he was scared for the safety of his wife and child and I’m guessing hung jury. He's gonna have to play the hell out of that story because if he tells it like he told the dispatcher no sane jury is going to buy it. But still need more details, specifically what exactly did the kid do after being confronted? Did he face the homeowner then run? Did he run then face the homeowner? What direction did he run? If the kid ran away at any point the guy has almost zero ability to claim fear for his life. If the kid ran at him it's a completely different story and he gets let off.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, devpool said: He's gonna have to play the hell out of that story because if he tells it like he told the dispatcher no sane jury is going to buy it. Florida Jury: Hold my beer.
May 12, 20205 yr I've had my car broken into a couple times. If you have insurance then you're good to go. It's not worth it to shoot someone IMO I don't think you should be able to kill them for your car. I do think you should shoot if they are breaking into your house though
May 12, 20205 yr Just now, Mike030270 said: I've had my car broken into a couple times. If you have insurance then you're good to go. It's not worth it to shoot someone IMO I don't think you should be able to kill them for your car. I do think you should shoot if they are breaking into your house though The house is an entirely different matter, now you can say you fear for your life. I think the states that require you to retreat in your own home are ridiculous.
May 12, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, devpool said: He's gonna have to play the hell out of that story because if he tells it like he told the dispatcher no sane jury is going to buy it. But still need more details, specifically what exactly did the kid do after being confronted? Did he face the homeowner then run? Did he run then face the homeowner? What direction did he run? If the kid ran away at any point the guy has almost zero ability to claim fear for his life. If the kid ran at him it's a completely different story and he gets let off. You’re not including the adrenaline going through him. I’ve never heard a 911 call that made sense.
May 12, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Mlodj said: The house is an entirely different matter, now you can say you fear for your life. I think the states that require you to retreat in your own home are ridiculous. Maybe if the thief was coming towards the house after the car but usually when they're caught they run away
May 12, 20205 yr 25 minutes ago, devpool said: He's gonna have to play the hell out of that story because if he tells it like he told the dispatcher no sane jury is going to buy it. But still need more details, specifically what exactly did the kid do after being confronted? Did he face the homeowner then run? Did he run then face the homeowner? What direction did he run? If the kid ran away at any point the guy has almost zero ability to claim fear for his life. If the kid ran at him it's a completely different story and he gets let off. From the article that Hunt posted, it sounds like the guy was scared that his house was being broken into. He shot towards him (I guess) from the front door as Green was about 20 feet away. From reading the article, it seems like he wasn’t shot while running away, but rather got shot then ran away. Possibly he was shot in the back while trying to break into the car. Lots of questions will be out there about this situation and many things likely won’t be answered. I’m not sure which way this will go.
May 12, 20205 yr TEW can get this guy off like he did that dude that ran over the protester with his car.
May 12, 20205 yr Sounds like a lot more details are needed at this point. Upon first glance it doesn't look good for the shooter. GSW in the back is always going to be a difficult hurdle, but hopefully we get some more information before Presidents start chiming in and the media starts doctoring photos again.
May 12, 20205 yr I have no idea why anyone would commit a criminal act here. I mean, you can pretty much shoot someone for just about any reason. And, you should always assume that everyone is carrying - mostly because everyone IS carrying.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, Mike030270 said: I've had my car broken into a couple times. If you have insurance then you're good to go. It's not worth it to shoot someone IMO I don't think you should be able to kill them for your car. I do think you should shoot if they are breaking into your house though You’re not good to go, though. Your car isn’t half a block away like in the city sometimes. Your car is in your driveway or in your garage. So you’re talking about having someone come onto your property just to get into the car. And how many times are they going to break into your car before they decide to go 5 more feet into the house?
May 12, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, hey suess said: You’re not good to go, though. Your car isn’t half a block away like in the city sometimes. Your car is in your driveway or in your garage. So you’re talking about having someone come onto your property just to get into the car. And how many times are they going to break into your car before they decide to go 5 more feet into the house? One time my car was on the street in front of my house. I called the cops and made a report. Don't think they caught the person but the broken window was repaired by insurance. They wanted to get into my trunk but the car was old and the lever on the bottom was only for the gas. Another time it was parked in the driveway I think. Both times I called the cops and insurance took care of it I think breaking into a house is of a different mindset than breaking into a car. There's too many factors for a house.
May 12, 20205 yr 12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: One time my car was on the street in front of my house. I called the cops and made a report. Don't think they caught the person but the broken window was repaired by insurance. They wanted to get into my trunk but the car was old and the lever on the bottom was only for the gas. Another time it was parked in the driveway I think. Both times I called the cops and insurance took care of it I think breaking into a house is of a different mindset than breaking into a car. There's too many factors for a house. Breaking into a house with people in it pretty much means you plan on killing the witnesses imo or you're just stupid.
May 12, 20205 yr At 2 AM it's dark, you're probably half asleep still, and you have your wife and baby behind you? I mean he probably couldn't see anything but heard noises - things always feel magnified fear wise when it's the middle of the night. It's terrible that a teenager was killed and I'd never ever want to be in that position. You have to be responsible with your firearms if you choose to own them for protection - but I have a tough time jumping to the conclusion that the guy didn't do it out of fear for his life. I don't believe that it's right to kill someone for stealing your car, but someone should have taught this kid that stealing cars can have dangerous consequences.
May 12, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, binkybink77 said: At 2 AM it's dark, you're probably half asleep still, and you have your wife and baby behind you? I mean he probably couldn't see anything but heard noises - things always feel magnified fear wise when it's the middle of the night. It's terrible that a teenager was killed and I'd never ever want to be in that position. You have to be responsible with your firearms if you choose to own them for protection - but I have a tough time jumping to the conclusion that the guy didn't do it out of fear for his life. I don't believe that it's right to kill someone for stealing your car, but someone should have taught this kid that stealing cars can have dangerous consequences. Oh great, now more warning labels on cars
May 12, 20205 yr 4 hours ago, Mike030270 said: One time my car was on the street in front of my house. I called the cops and made a report. Don't think they caught the person but the broken window was repaired by insurance. They wanted to get into my trunk but the car was old and the lever on the bottom was only for the gas. Another time it was parked in the driveway I think. Both times I called the cops and insurance took care of it I think breaking into a house is of a different mindset than breaking into a car. There's too many factors for a house. Sounds like a pain in the A to have to deal with. If you lived down here you could have popped a couple rounds off across his bow and you’d never be taking the afternoon off to get that window fixed. Seriously though. Different places have different rules. Everyone knows that Florida’s castle doctrine laws are pretty encompassing. Know the rules before you play the game.
May 12, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, binkybink77 said: At 2 AM it's dark, you're probably half asleep still, and you have your wife and baby behind you? I mean he probably couldn't see anything but heard noises - things always feel magnified fear wise when it's the middle of the night. It's terrible that a teenager was killed and I'd never ever want to be in that position. You have to be responsible with your firearms if you choose to own them for protection - but I have a tough time jumping to the conclusion that the guy didn't do it out of fear for his life. I don't believe that it's right to kill someone for stealing your car, but someone should have taught this kid that stealing cars can have dangerous consequences. Yeah death shouldn't be a consequence for stealing from a car. You can't just go guns a blazing because you hear a noise. You have to positively identify your target and be able to articulate that what you are shooting at is a threat. TBH all the auto thefts I investigated could have been prevented by not leaving valuable stuff out in the open. You're just asking for it at that point.
May 12, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, Bill said: Yeah death shouldn't be a consequence for stealing from a car. You can't just go guns a blazing because you hear a noise. You have to positively identify your target and be able to articulate that what you are shooting at is a threat. TBH all the auto thefts I investigated could have been prevented by not leaving valuable stuff out in the open. You're just asking for it at that point. Yeah you're also asking to get shot at if you break into someone's car in FLA.
May 13, 20205 yr People are not to blame because someone broke in and stole their ish. I don’t care what they have laying out in the open. It’s still not ok to kill someone just for breaking into your car, though. If he turned and started towards you, that’s one thing, but that doesn’t sound like the case here.
May 13, 20205 yr Seeing someone break into your car when you're not in it? Call the cops or scare them off. Seeing someone break into your car when you or someone else is in it? RIP.
May 13, 20205 yr Did the homeowner say he saw him breaking into his car specifically? The one report says he thought he was trying to break into his house.
May 13, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, Mike030270 said: I don't think you should be able to kill them for your car. Put 15 years into building one and let me know if you feel the same way.
May 13, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, hey suess said: Sounds like a pain in the A to have to deal with. If you lived down here you could have popped a couple rounds off across his bow and you’d never be taking the afternoon off to get that window fixed. Seriously though. Different places have different rules. Everyone knows that Florida’s castle doctrine laws are pretty encompassing. Know the rules before you play the game. It was a pain. Although it was kind of funny how they weren't able to get into the trunk and instead opened up the gas tank. When crap like that happens you need to find some humor Maryland has the castle doctrine but I didn't have a gun at the time. I think the castle doctrine only applies for where you are physically though so an empty car being broken into shouldn't apply 36 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Put 15 years into building one and let me know if you feel the same way. You mean like customizing it or restoring a classic? Either way it's not the same as a house IMO 🤷♂️
May 13, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Bill said: Yeah death shouldn't be a consequence for stealing from a car. You can't just go guns a blazing because you hear a noise. You have to positively identify your target and be able to articulate that what you are shooting at is a threat. TBH all the auto thefts I investigated could have been prevented by not leaving valuable stuff out in the open. You're just asking for it at that point. This. Drives me crazy when my kids leave their video games on the back seat.
May 13, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: You mean like customizing it or restoring a classic? Either way it's not the same as a house IMO 🤷♂️ A little of both. Will look like the factory could have done it. You're right. That car is family and I wouldn't want to be the one found breaking into it. I do often ponder if there would be a warning.
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