Guest Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 For the record i try not to listen all the time, and i personally believe Angelo is a moron. This is more of an afternoon show deal though... They are settling debates on 5 major Philadelphia sports debates. Two of the five were centered around the Eagles. 1. Is Donovan McNabb overrated or underrated? 2. Carson Wentz vs. Nick Foles McNabb is underrated to me. Every QB that was ever won a SB has had either a great defense carrying them OR a good/great WR player/core. McNabb never had that until 2004 when we got TO, and then TO was hurt during SB (maybe was 80%). 2001 - Rams were better, 2002- 5 was coming off injury and D still gave up 20 points when they previously allowed next to nothing to TB before. 2003 - McNabb had his ribs broken early in game, and Panther's DB's manhandled Thrash and Pinkston. 2008 - D gave up 32 points. Could McNabb have been better? yeah, but he is still best statistical QB in eagles history. Keeping Wentz over Foles is a no brainer. Foles has been just as injury prone and arguably more inconsistent than Wentz in his career. Nick Foles = Don Larson. Larson pitched a perfect game for Yankees in 1956 World Series, but other than that he was very mediocre. Foles capitalized on his moment and that was that. At the end of the day when they both retire Wentz will have the better numbers and it won't be that close. Would Foles have led the Eagles to a 10-2 record and be considered the MVP if he started all year? Remember the Raiders and Cowboys games were pretty ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20dawk4life Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Underrated. Wentz. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hpowner Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I'm glad you both think McNabb is underrated. 90% of this board has no respect or appreciation of McNabb. And bring up illogical, petty reasons as to why they dislike him. McNabb is underrated and severely unappreciated. And, you deserve to be shot if you choose Foles over Wentz. Nothing against Foles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain F Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1. Rated right where he should be. Not garbage. Not elite. Consider him upper middle class of the QB world. 2. Until Wents puts it all together, stays healthy, and proves it...... Foles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diehardfan Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, What The F said: 1. Rated right where he should be. Not garbage. Not elite. Consider him upper middle class of the QB world. 2. Until Wents puts it all together, stays healthy, and proves it...... Foles. Foles is hit or miss so he may be on the field but play like the last three quarters of the Saints playoff game. Until he shows consistency Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Cataldi is stupid. He's an import born in NY/New England. Maybe he's adopted Philly sports culture because of his job and settled here, but he wasn't born here and you can tell by his attitude. Is it possible that McNabb can be both overrated and underrated? He was a pretty good QB for a long time on the Eagles. Too bad he couldn't help deliver a Super Bowl victory. Wentz over Foles. Easy. The Eagles started 10-2 in 2017 because Wentz was playing MVP-caliber. I remember they were missing a few key guys down the stretch into the playoffs in addition to Wentz's injury. I don't think they get to the Super Bowl without clinching #1 seed and HFA. If the roles were reversed, is Foles going to win so many games so the Eagles can cruise into the #1 seed? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIP72 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Angelo Cataldi used to be a respected sports writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer many years ago. He only plays stupid on the radio to get ratings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIP72 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 30 minutes ago, What The F said: 1. Rated right where he should be. Not garbage. Not elite. Consider him upper middle class of the QB world. This sounds about right to me. McNabb was a good to very good quarterback during his prime but outside of one season (2004) he wasn't a great quarterback. That was the only season in the 2000-2004 period he was the primary reason the Eagles had an excellent record - in the 2000-2002 the defense (and the really good and underrated special teams) played a bigger role and in 2003 the running backs played a bigger role. Later in his Eagles career he wasn't as good (still an average to good player, but nowhere near great), but the supporting cast around him on offense got better, which helped him put up good stats but masked his decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kentwo Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1. Underrated - He wasn't the greatest of all time, but finding a good starting level QB in the NFL is really hard to do. McNabb was an above average starting QB in the NFL for years and I don't know how many people appreciate how hard it is for a team to find a guy like that. Some teams spend years and ton of draft picks looking for one. 2. Wentz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, CHIP72 said: Angelo Cataldi used to be a respected sports writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer many years ago. He only plays stupid on the radio to get ratings. How does that work for ratings? If I get in the car and WIP is on, when I hear Angelo's voice i go "woops" then quickly change the station. On a rare occaision he can be spot on, but there's only so much of his idiocy I can take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UK_EaglesFan89 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt03785 said: Keeping Wentz over Foles is a no brainer. Foles has been just as injury prone and arguably more inconsistent than Wentz in his career. Nick Foles = Don Larson. Larson pitched a perfect game for Yankees in 1956 World Series, but other than that he was very mediocre. Foles capitalized on his moment and that was that. At the end of the day when they both retire Wentz will have the better numbers and it won't be that close. Would Foles have led the Eagles to a 10-2 record and be considered the MVP if he started all year? Remember the Raiders and Cowboys games were pretty ugly. This debate will rage on forever but I agree here. Keeping Wentz was a no brainer. What Foles did in 2017 was incredible of course it was but he's shown throughout his career he is an up and down QB. I have very little doubt that this team does not get the #1 seed in 2017 if Foles is the starter. He's not consistent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFreddie Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: McNabb is underrated and overhated. Which pisses me off. True, but he's also overrated and underhated. I liken McNabb to all the work on the I-40/I-70 area. I mean... totally necessary and a blessing, but also a huge pain in the a**. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediterraneanDiet Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, What The F said: 1. Rated right where he should be. Not garbage. Not elite. Consider him upper middle class of the QB world. 2. Until Wents puts it all together, stays healthy, and proves it...... Foles. Foles has never played a full season, has never completed a season in which he began as the starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toolg Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said: Foles has never played a full season, has never completed a season in which he began as the starter. Absolutely true. If you're going to knock Wentz because he gets injured, Foles hasn't done any better. Foles has never played a 16-game season. Wentz did it twice: his rookie year, and last year before Clowney knocked him out of the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain F Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 35 minutes ago, MediterraneanDiet said: Foles has never played a full season, has never completed a season in which he began as the starter. Super Bowl Champ and MVP dwarfs anything/everything Wentz has done to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleJoe8 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, What The F said: Super Bowl Champ and MVP dwarfs anything/everything Wentz has done to date. It’s also not a debate over who has the better single game accomplishment. It’s a debate over who’s better for the long haul. I’m a big Foles fan myself, and always have been, but the fact remains that you’re not likely to have sustained success if your plan is to have one QB play 75% of the season, and have a fresh Foles come in late, and knock the rust off in two or three games before going on a magical playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBird Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 McNabb's right where he should be. Pretty good NFL quarterback. Lots of average years, lots of good ones. Choked in the Super Bowl. Glad we had him for the 11 years we did, lots of other teams were worse off than we were by a longshot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediterraneanDiet Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, AngryBird said: McNabb's right where he should be. Pretty good NFL quarterback. Lots of average years, lots of good ones. Choked in the Super Bowl. Glad we had him for the 11 years we did, lots of other teams were worse off than we were by a longshot. His first few years were magical, especially after the 3 previous years prior 1999 of Detmer, Hoying and Peete. Heck, all of the 90s - Randall excluded- were a QB wasteland in Philly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikas83 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 McNabb is incredibly underrated by this fan base. He carried an offense with basically nothing else to the NFC Championship game in 2001-2003. Yes, the defense was good, but we weren't the 1985 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. Yes, the offensive line was above average, but it wasn't stacked with pro bowlers and hall of famers -- McNabb's escapability made them look better than they were. Even in 2004, he lost TO and got them to the Super Bowl. I will always be thankful for 2017, but Wentz is clearly the better QB. Not sure how that's even a debate. Foles is maybe the streakiest QB I have ever seen, and I am forever grateful we rode his hot streak to a Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh_Prince Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 McNabb's career result- just short of a champion- match his performance. I would often argue for him being elite back in the day because I couldn't look weak in front of Giants and Cowboys fans but in my heart I knew there were better quarterbacks out there than him. Guys with a true leader presence and guys who were confident enough to take chances rather than throw balls in the dirt to keep their number of interceptions low. Guys who tended to do the right things instead of wrong things in pressure situations. Unfortunately there's only a handful of guys at that truly elite level and it wasn't like the Eagles were able to somehow get Manning, Brady or Favre (yes, Favre would have won Super Bowls with the early 00s Eagles) Donovan McNabb absolutely was the correct pick in the NFL draft in 1999 and I knew that even then. To rebuild a dire 3-13 team, you get a quarterback. Not a running back. F that fraud clown Angelo Cataldi and his clowns for the garbage they did that day. The Eagles needed a quarterback on that day, not later, and they got the best one available to them in that draft. So yeah. I think McNabb in most people's minds was a 'good but not elite' QB and so I'd say he's neither overrated nor underrated. Wentz vs. Foles? I still want to see Carson play a playoff game and not die in it before I pass final judgement on that topic, but on paper obviously Wentz was the choice to go with being younger and not ever having played as bad as Foles has at his worst (the Rams, or his bad games with the Eagles he'd have at times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EazyEaglez Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 McNabb is underrated in Philadelphia. Wentz was the only choice. The only way that choice changes is if Foles goes back to back Super Bowls. He didn’t so the choice was done. Not to mention that Foles is never consistent or healthy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Yeah like we haven't been through these arguments every single season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIP72 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 5 hours ago, toolg said: How does that work for ratings? If I get in the car and WIP is on, when I hear Angelo's voice i go "woops" then quickly change the station. On a rare occaision he can be spot on, but there's only so much of his idiocy I can take. Cataldi goes after a dynamic not too similar to Donald Trump in some ways - say enough controversial stuff to get people riled up and pay more attention to boost ratings. Many people (including me) tune Cataldi out (actually, I rarely listen to sports talk radio, so I tune everybody out), but a lot of people are unable to tune out someone who agitates them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
315Eagles Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: This debate will rage on forever but I agree here. Keeping Wentz was a no brainer. What Foles did in 2017 was incredible of course it was but he's shown throughout his career he is an up and down QB. I have very little doubt that this team does not get the #1 seed in 2017 if Foles is the starter. He's not consistent enough. Foles played out of his mind but it was really only 2 games. Now luckily they were the 2 most important games in Eagles history and I'm glad he did but it was still just 2 games. After taking over for Wentz in the regular season, he didnt play all that great. The 1st playoff game vs Atl he wasnt that great. When he took over in 2018 and got them to the playoffs where they beat the Bears and then lost to the Saints he really didn't play that great. People act like he dominated whenever he came in for Carson. When in reality he did so for 2 games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenclaybourne Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 hours ago, 315Eagles said: Foles played out of his mind but it was really only 2 games. Now luckily they were the 2 most important games in Eagles history and I'm glad he did but it was still just 2 games. After taking over for Wentz in the regular season, he didnt play all that great. The 1st playoff game vs Atl he wasnt that great. When he took over in 2018 and got them to the playoffs where they beat the Bears and then lost to the Saints he really didn't play that great. People act like he dominated whenever he came in for Carson. When in reality he did so for 2 games. He set multiple records in consecutive games at the end of 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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