Hire Minorities and Earn Draft Picks

[IFB DOG]

No, it's real. Time's yours.  Let this be moved to CVON. 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29180225/nfl-proposal-improve-draft-picks-minority-hires

 

The NFL is considering improving draft picks to teams that hire minority candidates as either coaches or general managers, sources confirmed to ESPN.

Under the plan, a team would improve its third-round pick by 10 spots for hiring a minority candidate as general manger (or equivalent-level position) and six spots for hiring a minority candidate as head coach, according to NFL.com, which first reported on the proposal. The draft boosts could stack, allowing a team to move up 16 spots altogether

Retaining minority coaches and general managers would be rewarded as well. According to NFL.com, a team would move up five spots in the fourth round if its coach or general manager was entering their third year on the job. A quarterback coach hire would earn a fourth-round compensatory pick if they are retained for one year.

Teams would also receive draft compensation for losing minority candidates to other teams, according to the report. A minority candidate leaving to become a head coach or general manager would be worth a third-round compensatory pick, while a coordinator hire would garner a fifth-round pick for the former team.

This proposal was submitted by the league's diversity committee and is expected to be addressed during a virtual meeting Tuesday, a league source confirmed.

Asked about the proposal, the NFL declined comment to NFL.com. But a league source told ESPN's Dan Graziano that commissioner Roger Goodell is in favor of the proposals.

During this offseason, only one head coach hired -- the Washington Redskins' Ron Rivera -- was a minority candidate. Only three of the past 20 head-coaching hires were minorities, and there are currently four black head coaches in the league.

Only two of the NFL's 32 general managers are minorities as well.

The NFL has the Rooney Rule, which requires every team to interview a qualified minority candidate for head-coaching jobs, but it does not affect the hiring decisions of owners.

Therefore, according to a league source, the NFL is also considering requiring multiple interviews of minority candidates for head-coaching positions and expanding the Rooney Rule to include coordinator positions.

The league will also consider removing a rule that allows teams to block assistant coaches from interviewing for other teams' coordinator positions, a league source told ESPN.

The rest of Tuesday's agenda is likely to include a focus on health and safety measures as well as reopening procedures. The league is still operating under the guideline that, until every team can have its coaches and players in its facility, no team can. But teams may be able to open their buildings to administrative staff depending on local guidelines.

[EagleJoe8]

Never liked the rule to begin with. Certainly don’t like it now. 

[20dawk4life]

Do the Steelers automatically get the first pick in the third round for starting the Rooney rule? If you have a top 10 third round pick do you get placed into the second round for hiring a minority GM? What a load of crap. 

[Dawkins 20]

A garbage proposal that will likely pass in the name of "wokeness."

[eglz1]

Theoretical question: If a certain racial group (I assume we're talking about race here) composes 75% of an organization, are they still a minority?

[IFB DOG]

For my own commentary, I would like to know if Asians will earn a 1st round pick, since they're most underrepresented...

[Bwestbrook36]

I would think any person with pride would want the job because they earned not because they helped a team to get better draft selection. Seems like a slap in the face for a minority. Makes it seem like they aren't good enough to get a position on their own. 

[Guest]

Australians are not in any NFL front office.  NFL better step up.

[NVeagle]

Everyone gets a trophy, but if you're a minority, you get a bigger trophy.

You are either a good coach/gm or a bad one, it has nothing to do with skin color. 

There is only one race: the human race.

[EagleJoe8]

6 hours ago, downundermike said:

Australians are not in any NFL front office.  NFL better step up.

NFL can’t have people walking upside down on the sidelines.  

[Bwestbrook36]

6 hours ago, downundermike said:

Australians are not in any NFL front office.  NFL better step up.

Maybe you should go apply so we can get better picks you jerk!

[birdman#12]

Just a terrible, terrible idea.

This is the kind of sh-- that causes more racism and more resentment.  When people see certain advantages to hiring minorities, not because they may be qualified, but because they are a minority, it can lead to resentment and some kind of backlash.

Diversity can be a good thing......FORCED diversity is never a good thing.

The Rooney rule didn't work because it was a stupid idea.  And now they're trying to make it even more idiotic by paying teams to hire minorities.  Is the NFL going to require that player rosters are assembled with the general population race proportions?......Not enough whities or hispanics are on the rosters.....fair is fair right?

The more we try to "fix" the race issue, the more we f--- things up.

[paco]

Our GM is Jewish, which is a minority, and sucks at the draft.  We should get two extra 1st rounders each year.

[hey suess]

17 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I would think any person with pride would want the job because they earned not because they helped a team to get better draft selection. Seems like a slap in the face for a minority. Makes it seem like they aren't good enough to get a position on their own. 

What about the ones who are more than good enough, but not given a chance?

[Bwestbrook36]

1 hour ago, hey suess said:

What about the ones who are more than good enough, but not given a chance?

I don't really have an answer for that. It's just a shame we aren't past this and are not giving everyone a chance especially if they are qualified

[c_u_in_tampa]

70% of the league is black, right? How about an incentive for teams to draft/hire more white players? 

[Uscg-green]

[Dawkins 20]

5 hours ago, hey suess said:

What about the ones who are more than good enough, but not given a chance?

I've got no intention of sounding like a sarcastic a-hole with this response  but do you actually think that still happens anymore in football? I mean I guess it's possible, but it seems like most teams would hire just about anyone at HC if he could bring the franchise a Super Bowl. I can't see good minority candidates being passed over on purpose when you look at the seemingly lack of coaching talent across the league. But that's just me. 

[Swimm]

If this happened. I would probably stop watching the NFL and they wouldn't ever see a dime from me. 

[SNOORDA]

Likes all the way around on the responses so far 

[hey suess]

59 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

I've got no intention of sounding like a sarcastic a-hole with this response  but do you actually think that still happens anymore in football? I mean I guess it's possible, but it seems like most teams would hire just about anyone at HC if he could bring the franchise a Super Bowl. I can't see good minority candidates being passed over on purpose when you look at the seemingly lack of coaching talent across the league. But that's just me. 

I don’t know. Enough to warrant a reaction from the league, apparently.

[birdman#12]

14 hours ago, hey suess said:

What about the ones who are more than good enough, but not given a chance?

Well, welcome to the real world...there may be a 2 dozen guys who are good enough but not given a chance......but giving out incentives for hiring a certain skin color is just flat out wrong on so many levels.  We keep saying skin color shouldn't matter but skin color matters?  WTF? 

People always want to assume that it's a race thing so idiotic ideas like this one are cooked up.......

The NFL is trying to engineer a perceived prejudice out of the hiring process. Diversity usually means mirroring the general population. Well, the NFL player breakdown is 70% Non-white......so why is that OK?  Is it because they made the roster due to talent and experience?  But the NFL separates that issue......why?

The NFL had 8 black head coaches last year, 25% of all head coaches, and some got fired.....now the NFL has a head coaching diversity problem?  That's bullsh--.  Blacks have and continue to EARN coaching positions in the NFL and the demographic is slowly changing. Changes like that take time and pushing it for a engineered agenda just creates other problems. And one of those problems which is never considered is that if an owner/FO hires a minority head coach, they have to consider the backlash if and when that coach is fired.  Because racism is always mentioned when that happens and some owners would rather avoid that all together.  

In my 40 years in business, finance in the corporate world and in my own businesses, I've seen good people accused of racism because they had to fire someone of color, someone they vetted and HIRED but for whatever reason, it doesn't work out.....and that type of accusation sticks with people when they go to hire again.   They have to consider the lawsuit possibility.....right or wrong, it enters the equation.

When we talk about front office positions, besides experience needed, these positions are filled many times with recommendations, additional business and management background, and some other things the owner might consider that are his personal preferences.  The NFL should stay the f--- out of that process.  I think, like the coaching ranks, this will change over the years, and that will be a good thing......but forcing it or engineering it creates more problems than it solves.

I adopted 2 black boys and raised them as my sons along with our other 7 natural children. They all grown and out in the world now......I've seen racism in many forms and in disgusting ways.  And I've seen it from both sides of the color spectrum.....this issue goes deep into my heart and mind.  I saw the bad results of good intentioned "assistance".  In my mind, the biggest racism of all is telling people of color that they need these "programs" to get hired.  

 

 

[hey suess]

58 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Well, welcome to the real world...there may be a 2 dozen guys who are good enough but not given a chance......but giving out incentives for hiring a certain skin color is just flat out wrong on so many levels.  We keep saying skin color shouldn't matter but skin color matters?  WTF? 

People always want to assume that it's a race thing so idiotic ideas like this one are cooked up.......

The NFL is trying to engineer a perceived prejudice out of the hiring process. Diversity usually means mirroring the general population. Well, the NFL player breakdown is 70% Non-white......so why is that OK?  Is it because they made the roster due to talent and experience?  But the NFL separates that issue......why?

The NFL had 8 black head coaches last year, 25% of all head coaches, and some got fired.....now the NFL has a head coaching diversity problem?  That's bullsh--.  Blacks have and continue to EARN coaching positions in the NFL and the demographic is slowly changing. Changes like that take time and pushing it for a engineered agenda just creates other problems. And one of those problems which is never considered is that if an owner/FO hires a minority head coach, they have to consider the backlash if and when that coach is fired.  Because racism is always mentioned when that happens and some owners would rather avoid that all together.  

In my 40 years in business, finance in the corporate world and in my own businesses, I've seen good people accused of racism because they had to fire someone of color, someone they vetted and HIRED but for whatever reason, it doesn't work out.....and that type of accusation sticks with people when they go to hire again.   They have to consider the lawsuit possibility.....right or wrong, it enters the equation.

When we talk about front office positions, besides experience needed, these positions are filled many times with recommendations, additional business and management background, and some other things the owner might consider that are his personal preferences.  The NFL should stay the f--- out of that process.  I think, like the coaching ranks, this will change over the years, and that will be a good thing......but forcing it or engineering it creates more problems than it solves.

I adopted 2 black boys and raised them as my sons along with our other 7 natural children. They all grown and out in the world now......I've seen racism in many forms and in disgusting ways.  And I've seen it from both sides of the color spectrum.....this issue goes deep into my heart and mind.  I saw the bad results of good intentioned "assistance".  In my mind, the biggest racism of all is telling people of color that they need these "programs" to get hired.  

 

 

Adoption is very admirable, congratulations. As far as this situation is concerned, I have no idea if there’s an actual problem or not, but the NFL seems to think there may be. As far as perception goes though, when the Chiefs offensive coordinator, Eric Bieniemi, interviews for 7 head coaching jobs and gets none, but the Giants hire white position coach, Joe Judge, it does invoke conversation.
 

or maybe it’s just that the black players don’t want to play for white coaches, so this is their way of pushing them out. 

[Mat]

On 5/16/2020 at 2:01 PM, downundermike said:

Australians are not in any NFL front office.  NFL better step up.

I am happy to take the job as a punting coach and scout. Now I just need an organisation to hire me 

On 5/16/2020 at 8:13 PM, EagleJoe8 said:

NFL can’t have people walking upside down on the sidelines.  

That's because the earth is flat and I don't really exist

On 5/16/2020 at 9:07 PM, birdman#12 said:

Diversity can be a good thing......FORCED diversity is never a good thing.

Agreed. However employers are looking to try and short list candidates that fill the need for diversity. I think every job application I've filled out in the last couple of years has asked my race, gender and sexual orientation which is bordering on ridiculous. In reality none of this should matter and each person is hired on merit and not because they tick a diversity box. 

Reading the article there is something that stood out and makes sense. The NFL has identified the trend in HC hires is coming from the offensive side of the ball and the QB guru. McVay started the trend and then you saw a bunch of teams looking for the next young offensive mastermind that could groom QB's. Kliff Kingsbury is the perfect example of that. 

I has a quick look at how many black QB coaches there are. It's a grand total of 2, offensive coordinators is also 2. The NFL is trying to get proactive in getting teams to hire minorities in the position that looks to inevitably create the largest opportunity for a HC position. Right intentions, really poor execution. 

The draft should not be compromised because you hired a minority candidate. That kills the integrity of the draft. I think the reason for the lack of black QB coaches is that the pool of guys to have played the position wasn't that deep up until recently. Most would be converted to a different position or had their throwing mechanics compromised because coaches at other stages just wanted to win games. You need the change to start at those levels, particularly college QB's if you want an influx of potential canidates. 

You also need to be able to entice the qualified coaches to apply for those postions instead of jump into the media where they will make more money. Even back up QB's like Charlie Batch and Rodney Peete have media gigs. 

[Bwestbrook36]

What are the numbers on minorities legitimately trying to get these positions? It seems like a lot of the time the Rooney rule is filled by teams just interviewing whoever and isn't even qualified just to get it over with. Like when the eagles interviewed duce when they wanted Doug. Duce wasn't qualified at all to be a head coach at that time and did duce even want it?