Well forced diversity is being thrown at us from every angle these days, i guess it wont stop anytime soon in the NFL

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

What are the numbers on minorities legitimately trying to get these positions? It seems like a lot of the time the Rooney rule is filled by teams just interviewing whoever and isn't even qualified just to get it over with. Like when the eagles interviewed duce when they wanted Doug. Duce wasn't qualified at all to be a head coach at that time and did duce even want it? 

I'd think every aspiring coach wants it. They may not be suited for the role but they will all want a shot at some point. 

43 minutes ago, Mat said:

I'd think every aspiring coach wants it. They may not be suited for the role but they will all want a shot at some point. 

True, still curious to see what numbers they are working with and how many are actually in the running for head coach. 

9 hours ago, hey suess said:

Adoption is very admirable, congratulations. As far as this situation is concerned, I have no idea if there’s an actual problem or not, but the NFL seems to think there may be. As far as perception goes though, when the Chiefs offensive coordinator, Eric Bieniemi, interviews for 7 head coaching jobs and gets none, but the Giants hire white position coach, Joe Judge, it does invoke conversation.
 

or maybe it’s just that the black players don’t want to play for white coaches, so this is their way of pushing them out. 

I've heard this before.....but how do you know anything about how Bieniemi interviews?......maybe he's an arrogant SOB or doesn't inspire confidence.......as I said, he may be qualified, but some teams don't want to hire OCs who didn't make play calls, or maybe his reputation isn't great.  I really don't know.

But that conversation you want to have over his not being hired and Judge was, I don't want it to start with race.....because every time a black coach doesn't get hired the "racism" screams start coming.....and there is no proof of that.  As I said, if you want to apply diversity standards that mirror the general population, then make player rosters do the same.  Otherwise, they need to stop trying to engineer this sh--......because he does lead to more resentment and more racism......it just may not show itself as much. 

I don't think an overt racist action (giving favoritism for hiring specific groups) is the solution to fix potentially covert racist actions. Ultimately, education, awareness and pressure is the way to go even though it isn't perfect.  

On 5/16/2020 at 7:44 AM, paco said:

Our GM is Jewish, which is a minority, and sucks at the draft.  We should get two extra 1st rounders each year.

In all seriousness, you do bring up a good point. 
 

Is Howie part of a minority group? If Shahid Khan hires a Pakistani-American will he get rewarded for making a minority hire?

What if you hire a white, male HC who then decides to identify as a female.  Does that improve draft picks? If so, Doug needs to get with the program. 

People should be hired/fired based on merit, not the color of their skin. 

 

On 5/16/2020 at 7:12 PM, Swimm said:

If this happened. I would probably stop watching the NFL and they wouldn't ever see a dime from me. 

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them. No need to stop watching because of this. What if it actually works? Let's say this gets Eric Bienemy hired as head coach and is great. Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

6 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them. No need to stop watching because of this. What if it actually works? Let's say this gets Eric Bienemy hired as head coach and is great. Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

I agree with the person that you quoted... If this passes I won't watch the NFL anymore... I'm all for hiring minorities and whoever is the best candidate... What I'm not for is rewarding people for this... I don't feel as though the NFL is going about this the right way 

7 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them. No need to stop watching because of this. What if it actually works? Let's say this gets Eric Bienemy hired as head coach and is great. Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

They think they’re helping, but they’re treating them as tokens. You really believe Duce had a legit shot at the head coaching job when he interviewed here? Hell no. It was a formality to keep them in compliance. 

2 hours ago, Aspiritfall said:

I agree with the person that you quoted... If this passes I won't watch the NFL anymore... I'm all for hiring minorities and whoever is the best candidate... What I'm not for is rewarding people for this... I don't feel as though the NFL is going about this the right way 

What do you suppose NFL to do then?

Not implement racially divisive policies and punish those who discriminate?

10 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them. No need to stop watching because of this. What if it actually works? Let's say this gets Eric Bienemy hired as head coach and is great. Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

Would you want to be the guy who was only hired because of the color of your skin?

i want to be hired because I’m the best person for the job. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

Not implement racially divisive policies and punish those who discriminate?

Some people speak out of being naive . 

11 hours ago, gameshowfan91 said:

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them.

Minorities don't need help in the NFL.

 

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What if it actually works?

It would probably  work. For the wrong reasons, and would be a policy to actively push white people out of the NFL.Who are already a minority in this industry to begin with.I would be absolutely disgusted if my team was hiring  people based solely on skin color and not the best person for the job,,and then incentivize  this by rewarding draft picks.

If this passed. Expect the Patriots whole staff to be black in a decade as they start stocking up diversity picks. 

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Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

Minorities dominate sports. Seems they are getting plenty of chances in this regard.  So no..it wouldn't be great. 

Nothing quite says bigotry like the soft racism of white guilt and low minority expectations. Clown World. Unbelievable. Smh.

Teams just want to win Super Bowls with whoever they can, and while I can understand the league trying to help increase diversity in the coaching and front office ranks, implementing such changes will likely make the situation worse as newly hired minority candidates will have to fight the stigma of being selected based on their minority status, rather than being hired on merit, whether such criticism is warranted or not.

The draft pick compensation in exchange for minority hires is absolutely ridiculous and undermines the integrity of the management aspect of running an NFL franchise.

While I believe the Rooney Rule for hiring new head coaches is flawed and can often lead to token interviews, I can at least understand the rationale behind expanding the requirement of minority interviews to coordinator and front office jobs, and think there is the possibility of some good hires that may not otherwise have been made in those areas. I don't mind expanding the Rooney Rule in this regard as much, but the draft pick compensation is not a good idea at all, in my opinion.

This is certainly a hot-button topic and mirrors the same controversy we see with Affirmative Action policies in college and graduate school admissions.

Draft a white player.... get an extra 6th rd pick

Diversity?  What diversity?  

This is nuts.  Young, hot shot coordinators are the guys that get all of the head coaching jobs, by and large.  If you want more minorities in head coaching roles, you should be looking to hire more minorities as coordinators.  

 

There is an interesting twist to the story. Teams might receive draft pick compensation for developing and losing minority candidates.

i think this is kind of interesting.

We all agree this is unfair. However, I put some of the blame in the system that promotes Zac Taylor and Mike Groh, too.

What happens to the teams that are already set at head coach and gm? They are going to be punished by having a team hiring a minority that jumps ahead of them in the draft? That is just ridiculous. 

On 5/18/2020 at 10:31 PM, gameshowfan91 said:

They are trying to help minorities, not destroy them. No need to stop watching because of this. What if it actually works? Let's say this gets Eric Bienemy hired as head coach and is great. Then teams follow suit and give minorities more chances. Would this be great?

Minorities in the NFL don't need help.  That's part of the racism problem.  It's a "perceived" problem that is determined by simply looking at numbers.  The kind of diversity the NFL is looking for will come naturally, but this kind of thing is always a slow process.   Minorities continue to EARN more positions in the NFL and in business in general.  

But trying to accelerate this process with idiotic ideas that will definitely have a backlash effect, really need to stop.  Minorities don't need help like like this.  It's demeaning and, in my opinion, disgusting.  

One thing in hiring that has been and always will be is that the person responsible for the hiring will mostly feel comfortable with people they can relate to, whether it's gender, race, background, alma mater or just similar likes.......Gender and race are making great strides in making that "comfort" less important.  And that's a good thing.  

Black coaches get hired and will fill their staff with 50% or more black coaches.....why?  Because they know them a little better and can relate to them.  Should that be disallowed?  Of course not, it's a normal and good thing.  The NFL should recommend that front offices continue to consider minority candidates, but that's where it should end.  No rewards, no punishments.

 

 

9 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

What happens to the teams that are already set at head coach and gm? They are going to be punished by having a team hiring a minority that jumps ahead of them in the draft? That is just ridiculous. 

The patriots will just fire everyone every other year.