Also what about the teams that have already hired minorities before they were forced to interview them? Shouldn't they be rewarded? 

6 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Also what about the teams that have already hired minorities before they were forced to interview them? Shouldn't they be rewarded? 

Each are awarded a Lombardi for each hire.

I found this interesting.  link

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"In my mind, this is drastic,” Dungy said. "I don’t think personally it’s the right thing to do, but I think it should spur some, really, consideration and some communication and conversation and people say, ‘OK, this might not be it, but maybe we can do that [instead].'”

Dungy supports the portion of the proposal that would allow minority coaches to leave one team to accept a promotion with another team, explaining that this will address concerns regarding the supply of qualified minority coaches. However, he draws the line at giving teams a reward for hiring a minority coach or G.M.

"I just have never been in favor of rewarding people for doing the right thing,” Dungy said. "And so I think there’s going to be some unintended consequences. To me it’s almost like the pass interference rule. Yeah, we need to do something. I don’t know if this is exactly it. We need to keep working until we find out what that best thing is to do.”

Dungy isn’t speaking only for himself. He said that he has spoken to several African-American coaches in the NFL in order to understand their concerns regarding the proposal.

"There’s three things that they’re worried about,” Dungy said. "Number one, how does this put me in my relationship with the other coaches that I work with, and other white coaches? Are they thinking I’m getting an advantage now? Number two, when that General Manager or owner hires me, is he hiring me because he thinks I’m the best person, or is he hiring me to move his draft choice up a little bit? And then the third thing this is nobody feels like they want anything special . . . . Don’t hire me and then say I’m going to give you more draft choices later on because you need help. And I know that’s not the reason why the proposal is being put in, I know that’s not what they’re driving at, but that’s still the end result. And so there’s still some things the league needs to think about, about this proposal.”

 

It sounds like POC coaches and staff that are hired are saying the same things we are here.

On 5/15/2020 at 8:36 PM, eglz1 said:

Theoretical question: If a certain racial group (I assume we're talking about race here) composes 75% of an organization, are they still a minority?

What if they compose 75% of an organization, but few are ever able to break into the coaching ranks? That seems like an impossibility, barring systemic racism. 

1 hour ago, Erie said:

What if they compose 75% of an organization, but few are ever able to break into the coaching ranks? That seems like an impossibility, barring systemic racism. 

Here is the problem with this line of thinking.... What % of the player population is coaching material, regardless of race?

 

Just because you are the biggest, strongest, fastest doesn't mean you are qualified to coach.  Completely different skillset.

 

Edit: TBC, I also disagree with eglz1's question. 

1 hour ago, paco said:

Here is the problem with this line of thinking.... What % of the player population is coaching material, regardless of race?

 

Just because you are the biggest, strongest, fastest doesn't mean you are qualified to coach.  Completely different skillset.

 

Edit: TBC, I also disagree with eglz1's question. 

Exactly.  Jordan was the GOAT,  but is not a very good GM.  John Elway was a top 10 all time QB, not a very good GM.  Nobody is putting John Lynch in the top 10 safeties, but he is one hell of a GM.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Exactly.  Jordan was the GOAT,  but is not a very good GM.  John Elway was a top 10 all time QB, not a very good GM.  Nobody is putting John Lynch in the top 10 safeties, but he is one hell of a GM.

Lynch is a HOF safety, maybe not the best example.  And Ozzie Newsome is a former pro bowler and probably one of the best GMs of all time.

 

If you want an example of a good GM but a nothing player.... I'd say Jerry Reese.  Never played a down in the NFL, decent college player.  Built 2 superbowl winning teams.  And that Bill Belichick dude is ok too.