57 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Change, acceptance, and diversity are growing in a good way.......but when we try to force it, that is what will hamper and hurt the progress made....

10-15 years ago change was growing in a good way (our first black president Was elected for example) the democrats have been forcing it since ,and our country Is way worse off because of it

If this were to happen I would never watch another NFL game ever again 

1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

Diversity can be a good thing......FORCED or ENGINEERED diversity is rarely a good thing.

The rooney rule didn't work because it was a really stupid rule. Now the NFL is trying to make it more idiotic.

Things like this is what causes more resentment and creates a backlash the leads to more racism.  

Experience, qualifications, peer recommendations, management recommendations, interviews and personality, emotional intelligence......that's what should be considered in hiring. 

"....not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character".....MLK's words should echo in all of us......and idiotic rules like the NFL is considering are not going to change the people who ignore it.  

Change, acceptance, and diversity are growing in a good way.......but when we try to force it, that is what will hamper and hurt the progress made....

Preach 

On 5/15/2020 at 7:00 PM, kiwieagle said:

What a silly idea. Surely there are better ways to address the issue than this nonsense 

  There are only 32 teams in the league. And 3 of those teams have black HC’s.  
 

That’s about what you would expect or they wouldn't be called minority.   

Its a non issue as a whole if you ask me. Now if there is a racist owner of those 32 teams then thats a separate issue certainly.  And this proposed ploy to higher minorities isnt going to get a racist owner to hire a black hc or gm. 

On 5/15/2020 at 7:05 PM, Dave Moss said:

Not only did Art Modell move the Browns in the mid 1990s.  He also took the Browns HOF tight end and made him the Ravens general manager.  Ozzie Newsome then built the Ravens into a Super Bowl champion.  I only bring this up because Newsome is African American.

For my money, Ozzie Newsome was the best Gm of this century.

7 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

For my money, Ozzie Newsome was the best Gm of this century.

And Eric Bieniemi has been a pretty good offensive coordinator, too. 

45 minutes ago, hey suess said:

And Eric Bieniemi has been a pretty good offensive coordinator, too. 

And Romeo Crennel is a good DC as well

4 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

And Romeo Crennel is a good DC as well

He’s had his shot at HC, to be fair.

4 hours ago, hey suess said:

He’s had his shot at HC, to be fair.

I just thought we were naming black people that were good at coaching or being a gm. 

On 5/16/2020 at 12:03 PM, SNOORDA said:

  There are only 32 teams in the league. And 3 of those teams have black HC’s.  
 

That’s about what you would expect or they wouldn't be called minority.   

Its a non issue as a whole if you ask me. Now if there is a racist owner of those 32 teams then thats a separate issue certainly.  And this proposed ploy to higher minorities isnt going to get a racist owner to hire a black hc or gm. 

For a league in which 68% of the players are black, I don’t think you’d expect that only 9% of head coaches to be black. 
47% of Division 1A players are black.  
I couldn’t find data on the other divisions of college football.

30 head coaches played in college, with 11 of them playing in the NFL.

So, you have to wonder, what is going on that is resulting in the makeup of coaches not even closely resembling the makeup of the players, considering that the pool of candidates to be coaches are almost all former players.

I’m not implying that the answer is nefarious.  But, the data is statistically significant.

19 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

For a league in which 68% of the players are black, I don’t think you’d expect that only 9% of head coaches to be black. 
47% of Division 1A players are black.  
I couldn’t find data on the other divisions of college football.

30 head coaches played in college, with 11 of them playing in the NFL.

So, you have to wonder, what is going on that is resulting in the makeup of coaches not even closely resembling the makeup of the players, considering that the pool of candidates to be coaches are almost all former players.

I’m not implying that the answer is nefarious.  But, the data is statistically significant.

Most players make a sheety coach. Doesn’t matter what color, just ask Larry Bird. 

7 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Most players make a sheety coach. Doesn’t matter what color, just ask Larry Bird. 

30/32 coaches played at least college level ball.  So again, what is happening that is resulting in a higher % of white players going on to eventually become head coaches than their counterparts?  Again, not implying nefarious reasons.  But there has to be SOME reason why this is occurring. 

23 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

30/32 coaches played at least college level ball.  So again, what is happening that is resulting in a higher % of white players going on to eventually become head coaches than their counterparts?  Again, not implying nefarious reasons.  But there has to be SOME reason why this is occurring. 

Yea it’s most players suck as coaches. The "students of the game” make the best coaches, it’s why the back up QBs usually make solid coaches. Olineman as well. WRs, RBs, Corners, to an extent LBs aren’t too involved in planning an offense or defense it’s more react than analyze. We haven’t seen that many black QBs in the nfl that are now at the point to become a HC, Byron Leftwich is now a QB coach I believe for the Bucs so in the next 10-15 years we could see all that change. There are already great black coaches and HCs but we aren’t pulling directly from the player pool to the coaching staff. I highly doubt there’s a major racism problem among nfl owners towards hiring coaches. 

2 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Yea it’s most players suck as coaches. The "students of the game” make the best coaches, it’s why the back up QBs usually make solid coaches. Olineman as well. WRs, RBs, Corners, to an extent LBs aren’t too involved in planning an offense or defense it’s more react than analyze. We haven’t seen that many black QBs in the nfl that are now at the point to become a HC, Byron Leftwich is now a QB coach I believe for the Bucs so in the next 10-15 years we could see all that change. There are already great black coaches and HCs but we aren’t pulling directly from the player pool to the coaching staff. I highly doubt there’s a major racism problem among nfl owners towards hiring coaches. 

Again, you say most players suck as head coach, but 30 out of the 32 coaches played at least college level ball.   So that logic doesn’t really hold considering that 94% of head coaches are former players.

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

Again, you say most players suck as head coach, but 30 out of the 32 coaches played at least college level ball.   So that logic doesn’t really hold considering that 94% of head coaches are former players.

That’s a tiny percentage of players though, especially at the college level. 

31 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

That’s a tiny percentage of players though, especially at the college level. 

Well, there’s only 32 available head coaching jobs.  And 30 of them are filled by former players.  So again, the "most former players suck as head coaches” logic doesn’t explain why the racial makeup of head coaches is vastly different than the makeup of players, when 94% of the coaches are former players. 

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

For a league in which 68% of the players are black, I don’t think you’d expect that only 9% of head coaches to be black. 
47% of Division 1A players are black.  
I couldn’t find data on the other divisions of college football.

30 head coaches played in college, with 11 of them playing in the NFL.

So, you have to wonder, what is going on that is resulting in the makeup of coaches not even closely resembling the makeup of the players, considering that the pool of candidates to be coaches are almost all former players.

I’m not implying that the answer is nefarious.  But, the data is statistically significant.

How many of those players actually pursue a career in coaching though?  Being a player and a coach are completely different jobs.

Just now, TEW said:

How many of those players actually pursue a career in coaching though?  Being a player and a coach are completely different jobs.

Absolutely.  That would be very important data in obtaining.

1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said:

30/32 coaches played at least college level ball.  So again, what is happening that is resulting in a higher % of white players going on to eventually become head coaches than their counterparts?  Again, not implying nefarious reasons.  But there has to be SOME reason why this is occurring. 

Not sure if you can/want to look this up, but do you have a breakdown of coaches by what positions they played at when they were players?  I wonder if that would shine some light on this or not. 

10 minutes ago, RPeeteRules said:

Not sure if you can/want to look this up, but do you have a breakdown of coaches by what positions they played at when they were players?  I wonder if that would shine some light on this or not. 

Yes that could shine some light.

Here’s where I found the info.  He does break it down by position.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-NFL-head-coaches-have-never-played

On 5/17/2020 at 1:48 PM, TEW said:

How many of those players actually pursue a career in coaching though?  Being a player and a coach are completely different jobs.

I would add that unless coaching is in their bloodline they are far less likely to get into coaching after football

17 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

I would add that unless coaching is in their bloodline they are far less likely to get into coaching after football

Oh so only people from certain bloodlines should be able to be head coaches huh? I see  what you're getting at. Shame on you! 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Oh so only people from certain bloodlines should be able to be head coaches huh? I see  what you're getting at. Shame on you! 

On 5/15/2020 at 7:11 PM, hputenis said:

 I think it's ridiculous that the best man for the job might not be in that role because now teams have actual incentives to hire minorities.

What about the idea that the best man for the job might not be in that role because teams insist that the best man for the job can't be non-white?

9 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

What about the idea that the best man for the job might not be in that role because teams insist that the best man for the job can't be non-white?

Then they miss out and the nonwhite best man can take his talents to south beach or whatever other city and help destroy the franchise that didn’t want to hire him/her for the role.