time2rock Posted May 6, 2022 Posted May 6, 2022 Chart shows how Howie Roseman retooled the Eagles and revived his career A new chart puts in perspective how general manager Howie Roseman was able to completely flip the perception on the Philadelphia Eagles short and long-term futures in just over a year. In a piece for Sharp Football Analysis, SportsRadio 94 WIP producer Tucker Bagley laid out how the Eagles' decision to essentially lay down in the second half of their 2019 finale against the Washington Commanders -- coupled with landing a first-round pick for Carson Wentz from the Indianapolis Colts -- has led to the team landing multiple core players: On top of already adding A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith and Jordan Davis, the Eagles are slated to have two first-round picks in 2023, and two second-round picks in 2024. If Jalen Hurts cements himself as the long-term answer at quarterback in 2022, that's great, the Eagles will have even more picks to build a Super Bowl-caliber roster around him. But if Hurts fails to do so this upcoming season, the Eagles will have quite a bit of ammo to either trade for a veteran quarterback or move up in what's expected to be a very strong quarterback draft class in 2023. It is fair to say that some of the hits that Roseman has made over the past 15 months have undone some prior mistakes that his regime made. If the Eagles had drafted Justin Jefferson over Jalen Reagor with the 21st overall pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, they could have picked Micah Parsons instead of Smith in 2021. The decision to give Wentz a four-year/$128 million deal that guaranteed him $107 million after his third NFL season wasn't especially controversial at the time, but proved to be a disastrous move. But there is something to be said for correcting what missteps you may have made. And while the future of the Eagles seemed pretty bleak after a 4-11-1 season in 2020, less than two years later, the team is seemingly set up to build another Super Bowl contender. https://www.audacy.com/94wip/sports/eagles/chart-shows-how-howie-roseman-retooled-the-eagles?fbclid=IwAR18rRyfrFxzMz_ksdZpsML1WZyUSFWahL-44gWszjPHyqtftbBcz0auej0
PoconoDon Posted May 6, 2022 Posted May 6, 2022 Consistently fixing your own disastrous mistakes and improving the team in the process makes you a good GM. Consistently not making those mistakes in the first place and improving your team even more makes you a great one. I still think the franchise QB issue looms large in the immediate future, so Howie is in position to become a great GM if he gets that one right while avoiding other disastrous mistakes. As harsh as I can be at times, I'm actually rooting for him. 1
Rob331 Posted May 6, 2022 Posted May 6, 2022 4 hours ago, PoconoDon said: Consistently fixing your own disastrous mistakes and improving the team in the process makes you a good GM. C'mon man. Did you think resigning Wentz at the time was a mistake. I'll admit - I didn't. Give credit where it is due and for the past two years credit is what Howie has coming to him. Every GM makes mistakes, I challenge you to show me one who hasn't. Howie's were a couple of years ago, so let's move on. 1
PoconoDon Posted May 7, 2022 Posted May 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Rob331 said: C'mon man. Did you think resigning Wentz at the time was a mistake. I'll admit - I didn't. Give credit where it is due and for the past two years credit is what Howie has coming to him. Every GM makes mistakes, I challenge you to show me one who hasn't. Howie's were a couple of years ago, so let's move on. His body of work starts day one as the GM (I think 2013) and goes through today (except for 2015 in the broom closet.) There isn't a person who wants him to be consistently great more than me. I really want him to be a dynasty builder. The thing is, he has a huge number of misses on his resume' and they don't disappear because he's done better of late. Does he deserve credit for doing very well over the past 2 years? Yes he does. Last year's draft was very good, and this year's looks very good too, especially given the Brown trade while still having two 1st rounders next year. I know his work isn't done yet for this off season either. Despite winning it all in 2017, this off season may turn out to be his best to date. We'll see. The hope is that he is learning from his mistakes, truly improving, won't miss so much early, and will be great year in and year out going forward. His next big challenge will be deciding who the long term franchise QB is going to be. I hope all of his big mistakes are behind him and he thrives moving forward.
time2rock Posted May 7, 2022 Author Posted May 7, 2022 5 hours ago, PoconoDon said: His body of work starts day one as the GM (I think 2013) and goes through today (except for 2015 in the broom closet.) There isn't a person who wants him to be consistently great more than me. I really want him to be a dynasty builder. The thing is, he has a huge number of misses on his resume' and they don't disappear because he's done better of late. Does he deserve credit for doing very well over the past 2 years? Yes he does. Last year's draft was very good, and this year's looks very good too, especially given the Brown trade while still having two 1st rounders next year. I know his work isn't done yet for this off season either. Despite winning it all in 2017, this off season may turn out to be his best to date. We'll see. The hope is that he is learning from his mistakes, truly improving, won't miss so much early, and will be great year in and year out going forward. His next big challenge will be deciding who the long term franchise QB is going to be. I hope all of his big mistakes are behind him and he thrives moving forward. His big mistakes aren’t going to magically disappear. Just have to hope, as you stated, that he has learned some valuable lessons from those he has made (as recently as 2 years ago taking Reagor over Jefferson … that IMO was much more egregious than JJAW over Metcalf) and that he can at least minimize those types of huge mistakes in the future. We all want him to become a great GM. He has the wheeling and dealing down. He just needs to do better with talent evaluation and not get cute with his selection strategy. This was a big year … we said he needed to knock this draft out of the park. Looks like he did (or came close). But we also said he needed to do the same for the next 2-3 drafts. So now draft2023 is critical (especially since he is now armed with an extra 1 again). He absolutely needs to use those picks wisely. 1
Rob331 Posted May 7, 2022 Posted May 7, 2022 11 hours ago, PoconoDon said: His body of work starts day one as the GM (I think 2013) 4th highest percentage of playoff appearances and a Super Bowl. You didn't answer the part - "Every GM makes mistakes, I challenge you to show me one who hasn't."
PoconoDon Posted May 7, 2022 Posted May 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Rob331 said: 4th highest percentage of playoff appearances and a Super Bowl. You didn't answer the part - "Every GM makes mistakes, I challenge you to show me one who hasn't." Rob, your false premise is that I am asserting perfection is the required standard. I did not, so your question is baseless, and pointless. it looks like you are asserting that he is the 4th best GM based on team performance where the majority of that team wasn't built by him. Still, even if I agree he's 4th best, there are still 3 that he must overtake, aren't there?
D-Shiznit Posted May 7, 2022 Posted May 7, 2022 The old adage is that building success is easier than sustaining success. That's what happened with Howie, he successfully built a Superbowl roster, but couldn't sustain it. Howie can rebuild at a faster and successful pace than most, just look at the Giants or Commies, they have been in a decade of rebuilding. While during that time, we have rebuilt, won a SB, and have another rebuild that is ahead of theirs. We should be a contender in the another two years or so, we have enough assets to get the QB we need. The question for sustaining that success still remains. 1
Procus Posted May 7, 2022 Posted May 7, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 1:38 PM, Rob331 said: C'mon man. Did you think resigning Wentz at the time was a mistake. I'll admit - I didn't. There were many who wanted Foles over Wentz. Had the Eagles traded Wentz in 2018, they could have fetched a king's ransom for him.
Rob331 Posted May 8, 2022 Posted May 8, 2022 18 hours ago, PoconoDon said: Rob, your false premise is that I am asserting perfection is the required standard. I did not, so your question is baseless, and pointless. it looks like you are asserting that he is the 4th best GM based on team performance where the majority of that team wasn't built by him. Still, even if I agree he's 4th best, there are still 3 that he must overtake, aren't there? So what's your point? Sure, there's been mistakes that you can't seem to forgive or forget. Is that how you think things should work for all of us including you. That you refuse to give credit, get past the errors and look at today and tomorrow doesn't accomplish anything and is like baggage to carry around. What is your standard? He's been good or better for the last 2 years.
PoconoDon Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 The standard I prefer is "best in the league." To my mind, that should always be the standard. Again, just because he's not there yet, doesn't mean he hasn't been good. He has. I simply believe that each year doesn't happen in a vacuum. A new year doesn't erase what came before. That's why it is called a body of work and not annual work. He has a report card that has been running since 2016 for sure, but maybe as far back as 2013 (which benefits him statistically.) It's like a kid in school building a GPA over time. If the grades are trending upwards, then there's hope for a very bright future and it's fair to have high expectations. Same for Howie. Historically his drafts haven't been anything special and they need to be. Can he get to a point where they are? There's a real chance. Here's where I give him credit so don't miss it: He has been very good of late, and has a chance to become great if he keeps trending upwards in his draft performances. I'm not a Howie hater, I just keep my focus on the big picture and to me, that necessarily includes past performance.
Cochis_Calhoun Posted May 9, 2022 Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 6:38 PM, Rob331 said: C'mon man. Did you think resigning Wentz at the time was a mistake. I'll admit - I didn't. Give credit where it is due and for the past two years credit is what Howie has coming to him. Every GM makes mistakes, I challenge you to show me one who hasn't. Howie's were a couple of years ago, so let's move on. Resigning Wentz at the time did look iffy to more than a few of us, Wentz had 2017 when he was more than a middling starter, in 2018 the "It's not Wentz it's the rest of the roster" talk started, plus he had another injury and Foles had to come in and finish out the season, and in 2018 he did not look like he was getting us there either, we were going backwards when he got his injury. They took up his fifth year option in Apr 2019 which gave us 2 years of contract, we could have taken a season to see if he was worth a big time extension, but for reasons I'll never fathom we decided to sign the extension in June the same year giving him more guaranteed money than Russell Wilson, despite never having played a play off game, and the 'Wentz is being held back by the roster' intensified as did the talk he was unpopular in the locker room, and he turned in performances as bad as anything I've seen before or since against New England and Seattle that year (and still his supporters claimed we would've beaten Seattle in the play offs if he hadn't gotten his bell rung), so yeah some of us thought it was premature at the time and it became pretty clear that it was pretty quickly.
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