31 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I got more out of the nursing home, and I didn't even ask them.

I'll say more when I have time, pretty busy today

I think the increase in crime is more about the lockdown but 🤷‍♂️

Also I don't think gas prices actually hit as high as they dead many years ago (but I could be wrong)

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

But it did not shut down a pipeline, it was only going to change the route of the pipeline.  The oil has been flowing.  Interesting nugget about the XL project.

 

 

Sorry  - thats misleading info. It was additional pipeline, not replacing existing.  Biden revoked the permit to finish phase IV AKA Keystone XL. It would have transported an additional 830,000 barrells a day. 

This is not the first time I have shared this with you, yet, you keep trying to imply it would not have made any material difference. Which is just false narrative. 

 

 

 

 The Keystone XL Pipeline Project (Phase IV) revised proposal in 2012 consists of a new 36-inch (910 mm) pipeline from Hardisty, Alberta, through Montana and South Dakota to Steele City, Nebraska, to "transport of up to 830,000 barrels per day.

The proposed Keystone XL pipeline would start from the same area in Alberta, Canada, as the Phase 1 pipeline.^[28] The Canadian section would consist of 526 kilometres (327 mi) of new pipeline.^[41] It would enter the United States at Morgan, Montana, and travel through Baker, Montana, where American-produced oil would be added to the pipeline; then it would travel through South Dakota and Nebraska, where it would join the existing Keystone pipelines at Steele City, Nebraska.

On January 20, 2021, United States President Joe Biden revoked the permit for the pipeline on his first day in office.^[98]

 

 

13 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think the increase in crime is more about the lockdown but 🤷‍♂️

Also I don't think gas prices actually hit as high as they dead many years ago (but I could be wrong)

Do you feel that this administration is doing enough to combat inflation? 

9 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Do you feel that this administration is doing enough to combat inflation? 

No. I don't like this one or the previous one

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sorry  - thats misleading info. It was additional pipeline, not replacing existing.

Currently phase 1 is a 30" pipeline, phase 2-3b are 36" pipelines.

Phase 4 keystone, would have taken over for phase 1 and been a 36" pipeline.

Phase 4 would have replaced phase 1, and the reason for the output increase would be the larger capacity of the pipeline.

But my point, nothing was shut down, phase 1-3b have been fully operational since January 2014.

All of the oil from this pipeline is exported.

20 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Currently phase 1 is a 30" pipeline, phase 2-3b are 36" pipelines.

Phase 4 keystone, would have taken over for phase 1 and been a 36" pipeline.

Phase 4 would have replaced phase 1, and the reason for the output increase would be the larger capacity of the pipeline.

But my point, nothing was shut down, phase 1-3b have been fully operational since January 2014.

All of the oil from this pipeline is exported.

LOL - comon dude, he shut down the production, killed the expansion. If you think that had no bearing on future output and future speculations, you are kidding yourself. It's a global markiet, any additions and or subtractions to the entire oil market affect the price. 

Add in, he stopped issuing new drilling leases and reversed the deregulations of the previous regime - all in his first week in office.  All of this had an impact with Speculation and futures. 

If you paid any attention at all, the price of oil reacted almost immediately.  Now you can try and be disingenuous and keep trying to play semantics here, but the fact remains, if tomorrow he reversed what he did in January of 2021 in his first week that had negative impacts, the market would react accordingly in a positive manner. 

Denying that to try and "own" me on a MB is really just sad, because you are also paying the price along with the rest of us.  

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

No. I don't like this one or the previous one

And thats fair,  there were certainly things I did not like about the previous admin, and there was enough there not to like. But the current admin to me is more of a threat to our constitutional rights, our safety. When the previous admin was there, there was so much opposition and policing of what was being done, that I felt that there was no way they would get away with anything that would go against the Constitution etc.  And I agreed with certain positions such as bringing manufacturing back to the US, deregulations, I am for less government, something the last admin was also for.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LOL - comon dude, he shut down the production, killed the expansion. If you think that had no bearing on future output and future speculations, you are kidding yourself.

Add in, he stopped issuing new drilling leases and reversed the deregulations of the previous regime - all in his first week in office.  All of this had an impact with Speculation and futures. 

If you paid any attention at all, the price of oil reacted almost immediately.  Now you can try and be disingenuous and keep trying to play semantics here, but the fact remains, if tomorrow he reversed what he did in January of 2021 in his first week that had negative impacts, the market would react accordingly in a positive manner. 

Denying that to try and "own" me on a MB is really just sad, because you are also paying the price along with the rest of us.  

Yes, he shut down production of the NEW portion of the pipeline, the existing route is still up and running.

Keystone XL would have added 510,000 barrels per day to the EXISTING output.  Current world wide production per day is 99,610,000 barrels per day.  Do you really think the .512% increase of XL would have really made that much of a difference ??

In addition, if completed, XL would not have been online until 2023 anyways.

Why cant Biden supporters just answer a question and not immediately add something about Trump to their response? Its like Biden cant be held accountable OR praised without an immediate and direct connection to Trump within their response....  

What I know...  36 months ago I was doing great under Trump. 12 Months ago under Biden I was doing good and today im doing worse. Much worse under Biden.  Still on Bidens watch, our economy and supply chain has gone to complete ish and its getting worse. As for the American people, most, including myself are nearsighted. Who is the president and what is going on TODAY? Its his fault.  Even if it isn't, it is. And its his JOB to fix it, and he isn't. At least not in a timeline that's satisfactory to the majority. Whatever good he is doing outside of those immediate pressing issues to the American people, doesn't mean jack ish.  

It's worth noting that phase IV was stuck in courts the last four years with no progress. Phase IV was dead for years despite Trump's attempts to prop it up. The route was bad from the beginning, but TransCanada made a bet that they might be able to push it through.

The oil that would have flowed is also crap. It's the most expensive type of oil to refine and it all would have ended up as exports with very little if any adding to the domestic market. Oil being a global commodity it would still have added to supply, but optimistically not for another half decade.

The right prefers it as a dead project so they can project it as some kind of silver bullet for our energy issues. But the reality is quite different.

4 minutes ago, What The F said:

Why cant Biden supporters just answer a question and not immediately add something about Trump to their response? Its like Biden cant be held accountable OR praised without an immediate and direct connection to Trump within their response....  

What I know...  36 months ago I was doing great under Trump. 12 Months ago under Biden I was doing good and today im doing worse. Much worse under Biden.  Still on Bidens watch, our economy and supply chain has gone to complete ish and its getting worse. As for the American people, most, including myself are nearsighted. Who is the president and what is going on TODAY? Its his fault.  Even if it isn't, it is. And its his JOB to fix it, and he isn't. At least not in a timeline that's satisfactory to the majority. Whatever good he is doing outside of those immediate pressing issues to the American people, doesn't mean jack ish.  

Maybe because it's literally who Biden will be running against in the next election. If Trump would actually STFU and go away like he promised he was going to, then maybe the comparisons would be far less frequent. 

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes, he shut down production of the NEW portion of the pipeline, the existing route is still up and running.

Keystone XL would have added 510,000 barrels per day to the EXISTING output.  Current world wide production per day is 99,610,000 barrels per day.  Do you really think the .512% increase of XL would have really made that much of a difference ??

In addition, if completed, XL would not have been online until 2023 anyways.

Are you happy with the job Dan Andrews is doing in Victoria?

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Are you happy with the job Dan Andrews is doing in Victoria?

How does that have any impact on me living in Spokane, Washington, USA.

 

Here's a pipeline that you won't see on Fox news: the Enbridge Line 3 pipeline

June 2021: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/24/climate/line-3-pipeline-biden.html

The Biden administration has defended a contentious pipeline project that would carry hundreds of thousands of barrels of oil through Minnesota’s delicate watersheds, urging in a court brief that a challenge brought by local tribes and environmental groups be thrown out.

jeez swap Trump's name in and I bet Trumplicans would be ebullient...

Sept 2021: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/line-3-pipeline-progressive-dems-implore-biden-to-shut-it-down

Minnesota Democratic Representative Ilhan Omar is among a group of progressive representatives urging President Biden to halt work on the Line 3 pipeline this weekend.

 

... Biden says.... "No jack. We needs us some oil. Can I print pdf?"

Oct 2021: https://abcnews.go.com/US/opponents-line-pipeline-project-threatens-bidens-climate-legacy/story?id=80844864

Opponents of Line 3 pipeline say project threatens Biden’s climate legacy

 

Weird how little coverage it got.

17 minutes ago, What The F said:

Why cant Biden supporters just answer a question and not immediately add something about Trump to their response? Its like Biden cant be held accountable OR praised without an immediate and direct connection to Trump within their response....  

What I know...  36 months ago I was doing great under Trump. 12 Months ago under Biden I was doing good and today im doing worse. Much worse under Biden.  Still on Bidens watch, our economy and supply chain has gone to complete ish and its getting worse. As for the American people, most, including myself are nearsighted. Who is the president and what is going on TODAY? Its his fault.  Even if it isn't, it is. And its his JOB to fix it, and he isn't. At least not in a timeline that's satisfactory to the majority. Whatever good he is doing outside of those immediate pressing issues to the American people, doesn't mean jack ish.  

Because Trump's name is in the title of the thread and it's a poll about Biden's performance as it relates to Trump?

"If completed and fully operational, the line will be able to carry 760000 barrels a day of Canadian oil from North Dakota to Wisconsin"

... Biden did that!

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

How does that have any impact on me living in Spokane, Washington, USA.

 

Well, he's from your home country.  Was wondering what you think of the job he's doing.

22 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

"If completed and fully operational, the line will be able to carry 760000 barrels a day of Canadian oil from North Dakota to Wisconsin"

... Biden did that!

And would that oil stay here, or be sent to Mexico and China like the keystone oil ??  Also, I assume that pipeline won't be handing out contracts to Russian steel companies.

13 minutes ago, Procus said:

Well, he's from your home country.  Was wondering what you think of the job he's doing.

Well, let me correspond with some relative who live in Frankston and get back to you.  We will skip the news reports you are reading and go right to the source.

59 minutes ago, What The F said:

Why cant Biden supporters just answer a question and not immediately add something about Trump to their response? Its like Biden cant be held accountable OR praised without an immediate and direct connection to Trump within their response....  

What I know...  36 months ago I was doing great under Trump. 12 Months ago under Biden I was doing good and today im doing worse. Much worse under Biden.  Still on Bidens watch, our economy and supply chain has gone to complete ish and its getting worse. As for the American people, most, including myself are nearsighted. Who is the president and what is going on TODAY? Its his fault.  Even if it isn't, it is. And its his JOB to fix it, and he isn't. At least not in a timeline that's satisfactory to the majority. Whatever good he is doing outside of those immediate pressing issues to the American people, doesn't mean jack ish.  

I've personally have never been better financially. And that fact has nothing to do with either Trump or Biden, I just made very good decisions.

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Because Trump's name is in the title of the thread and it's a poll about Biden's performance as it relates to Trump?

Exactly AND it is a poll pushed up as a reaction to another poll with similar connotations of comparing the country under Trump to the country under Biden.  It is the entire point of this thread and also the other non-nuanced thread (which by the way wasn't put up by a Biden supporter).

I read 2 pages on this one...

How about let's not compare sitting president to previous one or ones. 

Where do you feel the country is at ? Where is it going  ? And why ? 

I saw one post stating the US citizenship is part of the problem..... interesting take...... favorable to my line of thinking....... I am all about chlorine in the gene pool these days.

But I would love to see more of the vocal posters drop some of  the name calling and blame game and give honest assessments of the United States. 

Again..... only to decide if I really despise some of you. 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

All of the oil from this pipeline is exported.

Exported as in sent to Europe so that the US wasn't tapping it's reserves to send it over there?

Exported to alleviate the global demand driving up the prices?

That kind of "exported"?

3 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Exported as in sent to Europe so that the US wasn't tapping it's reserves to send it over there?

Exported to alleviate the global demand driving up the prices?

That kind of "exported"?

And that .5% difference in 2023 is not a factor