May 17, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, BFit said: The the penalties are severe enough. They really need to educate people on it much more than they do The people getting behind the wheel after knocking back a few aren't uneducated so much as they're just stupid, selfish, a-holes who don't care about anyone else but themselves.
May 17, 20223 yr 13 hours ago, BFit said: The the penalties are severe enough. They really need to educate people on it much more than they do Disagree. The penalties should be drastically worse.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: The people getting behind the wheel after knocking back a few aren't uneducated so much as they're just stupid, selfish, a-holes who don't care about anyone else but themselves. what about the people that "knock back" a few, stop drinking for 3 hours while drinking water, feel 100% sober and then still get a DUI? id support harsher penalties if there was an accurate way to tell if you are over the limit that is widely available or distributed. guessing on whether or not you're committing a crime is ridiculous.
May 17, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, BFit said: what about the people that "knock back" a few, stop drinking for 3 hours while drinking water, feel 100% sober and then still get a DUI? id support harsher penalties if there was an accurate way to tell if you are over the limit that is widely available or distributed. guessing on whether or not you're committing a crime is ridiculous. Still stupid. Pay for an uber if you're gonna drink. If you're blowing over the limit on a breathalyzer, you're already a danger to yourself and others. If you plan on doing this often, go buy your own breathalyzer and test yourself, but these people don't do that. Why? Because they're selfish a-holes who don't care if they hurt anyone else when they climb behind the wheel.
May 17, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, lynched1 said: I've got to hear this...... What new law(s) could you possibly have in mind? I don't disagree with the kid being a wingnut. He was investigated and evaluated. Again, what gun law saves you from that? Anyone see that hotel killer coming? The DC sniper? Well, as I was informed, NY already has one. It's a mental health law. When this kid threatened his HS last June and was taken by the Police to the Hospital for a mental health evaluation his gun rights should have been suspended or revoked at that time. The doctor evaluating him should of found that he was a threat to others and reported him. Somewhere in the process the ball was dropped. He should not have been able to legally buy a gun, until a doctor says he is no longer a threat. The thing that gets me, is the Parents said they had no idea their son was violent or had hate. I don't buy that for a second.
May 17, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Still stupid. Pay for an uber if you're gonna drink. If you're blowing over the limit on a breathalyzer, you're already a danger to yourself and others. If you plan on doing this often, go buy your own breathalyzer and test yourself, but these people don't do that. Why? Because they're selfish a-holes who don't care if they hurt anyone else when they climb behind the wheel. the breathalyzers you can buy arent guarenteed accurate and dont have a way to recalibrate to ensure accuracy. im not arguing that its dumb to drink and drive, but when the difference between legal and illegal isnt abundantly clear, you cant go making the penalties life altering. i mean, the current first time offense lowest punishment is 30 days with no license, $2000+ fine, 40 hours of community service and a year probation (which can be terminated at 6 months upon PO discreation). and thats for blowing a .10, the lowest level of impairment which you may not even notice. hell driving fatigued is more dangerous yet doesnt carry as hefty of a punishment.
May 17, 20223 yr Just now, BFit said: the breathalyzers you can buy arent guarenteed accurate and dont have a way to recalibrate to ensure accuracy. im not arguing that its dumb to drink and drive, but when the difference between legal and illegal isnt abundantly clear, you cant go making the penalties life altering. i mean, the current first time offense lowest punishment is 30 days with no license, $2000+ fine, 40 hours of community service and a year probation (which can be terminated at 6 months upon PO discreation). and thats for blowing a .10, the lowest level of impairment which you may not even notice. hell driving fatigued is more dangerous yet doesnt carry as hefty of a punishment. 1 out of every 120 drivers gets pulled over for drunk driving. Obviously the current penalties are not enough of a deterrent. Many of those people are repeat offenders. A second offense should be real jail time (mandatory) and a lifetime ban on driving.
May 17, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, BFit said: the breathalyzers you can buy arent guarenteed accurate and dont have a way to recalibrate to ensure accuracy. im not arguing that its dumb to drink and drive, but when the difference between legal and illegal isnt abundantly clear, you cant go making the penalties life altering. i mean, the current first time offense lowest punishment is 30 days with no license, $2000+ fine, 40 hours of community service and a year probation (which can be terminated at 6 months upon PO discreation). and thats for blowing a .10, the lowest level of impairment which you may not even notice. hell driving fatigued is more dangerous yet doesnt carry as hefty of a punishment. You know what's guaranteed to be accurate? Not drinking before getting behind the wheel. And calling the current penalties "life altering" is a bit of a slap in the face to the people who have been victimized or lost loved ones to drunk drivers. For them, it truly was life altering, not some $2k fine and a suspended license. So hell yeah, bump that ish up to a $10k fine and 90 days suspension, because this blatant disregard for others needs to F'ing stop.
May 17, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Boogyman said: 1 out of every 120 drivers gets pulled over for drunk driving. Obviously the current penalties are not enough of a deterrent. Many of those people are repeat offenders. A second offense should be real jail time (mandatory) and a lifetime ban on driving. 2 hours ago, BFit said: no one is getting behind the wheel drunk thinking "eh, i can afford to get a DUI" theyre either thinking they are sober, or theyre not going to get caught. harsher penalties are only going to crowd an overcrowded justice system.
May 17, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, BFit said: no one is getting behind the wheel drunk thinking "eh, i can afford to get a DUI" theyre either thinking they are sober, or theyre not going to get caught. harsher penalties are only going to crowd an overcrowded justice system. The amount of repeat offenders is crazy. Take their license forever. F them. Once can be a mistake, two means you just don't give a F if your actions cause harm to others. And the law is already there. I want the penalties to change.
May 17, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: You know what's guaranteed to be accurate? Not drinking before getting behind the wheel. And calling the current penalties "life altering" is a bit of a slap in the face to the people who have been victimized or lost loved ones to drunk drives. For them, it truly was life altering, not some $2k fine and a suspended license. So hell yeah, bump that ish up to $10k fine and 90 days suspension, because this blatant disregard for others needs to F'ing stop. do you really think thats going to deter anyone? i mean, the suspension for .20 and above is already 90 days, and thats if its a first offense and you can get ARD. its jail time if you cant get ARD. also, if you youre drunk and you cause the death of a person by way of accident, you get vehicular manslaughter added on to the DUI charge.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, BFit said: do you really think thats going to deter anyone? i mean, the suspension for .20 and above is already 90 days, and thats if its a first offense and you can get ARD. its jail time if you cant get ARD. also, if you youre drunk and you cause the death of a person by way of accident, you get vehicular manslaughter added on to the DUI charge. Yes. And the suspensions for blowing a .20 needs to be 12 months. It's bananas that we let someone like that drive again after just 3 months. Teach these F'ers a lesson before they kill someone else or themselves.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Boogyman said: The amount of repeat offenders is crazy. Take their license forever. F them. Once can be a mistake, two means you just don't give a F if your actions cause harm to others. And the law is already there. I want the penalties to change. i once witnessed a guy delibratley sink a boat at a boat ramp. long story short i agreed to be a witness for the FBC against this guy. turns out he had lost his license for life from getting DUIs, yet there he was driving a truck with a boat on a trailer, probably drunk. so unless youre putting these people in prison for life, youre not going to change anything.
May 17, 20223 yr Just now, we_gotta_believe said: Yes. And the suspensions for blowing a .20 needs to be 12 months. It's bananas that we let someone like that drive again after just 3 months. Teach these F'ers a lesson before they kill someone else or themselves. again, no one that is commiting this crime is thinking that they can risk it because its a light penalty, they are risking it because they think they wont get caught. just like no ones stealing a car thinking "i can do 10 years".
May 17, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, BFit said: again, no one that is commiting this crime is thinking that they can risk it because its a light penalty, they are risking it because they think they wont get caught. just like no ones stealing a car thinking "i can do 10 years". I think there are plenty of people that are committing the crime with the thought that the risk is worth it. How do we change the risk profile? By adjusting the consequences to be more severe. At some point, the risk will no longer be worth it for these idiots. And I feel no sympathy for people making horrible decisions like this. No innocent person blows a .10 on a breathalyzer.
May 17, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, BFit said: i once witnessed a guy delibratley sink a boat at a boat ramp. long story short i agreed to be a witness for the FBC against this guy. turns out he had lost his license for life from getting DUIs, yet there he was driving a truck with a boat on a trailer, probably drunk. so unless youre putting these people in prison for life, youre not going to change anything. Yeah, people break all kinds of laws all the time. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be punished when they get caught. Gonna have to just agree to disagree. The penalty should be enough that it completely ruins your life for a second offense. Get your license yanked for drunk driving and you drive anyway? Throw him in jail for a VERY long time.
May 17, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I think there are plenty of people that are committing the crime with the thought that the risk is worth it. How do we change the risk profile? By adjusting the consequences to be more severe. At some point, the risk will no longer be worth it for these idiots. And I feel no sympathy for people making horrible decisions like this. No innocent person blows a .10 on a breathalyzer. no one is making that rationale, and if they are, they are rich enough where 10 grand and year suspension isnt going to change their mind. no one is asking you to feel sympathy for people commiting this crime, just asking you to rethink making tyrannical penalties on things arent cut and dry. only way to actually deter people is make it anything over a .01 gets you life in prison. just clear cut, no drinking before you drive. sounds fair to me.......
May 17, 20223 yr Just now, BFit said: no one is making that rationale, and if they are, they are rich enough where 10 grand and year suspension isnt going to change their mind. no one is asking you to feel sympathy for people commiting this crime, just asking you to rethink making tyrannical penalties on things arent cut and dry. Yeah, pretty clear we're not gonna get to a middle ground on this. It's not tyranny to impose harsher penalties on selfish scumbags who grossly endanger the lives of others. Quote only way to actually deter people is make it anything over a .01 gets you life in prison. just clear cut, no drinking before you drive. sounds fair to me....... Reductio ad absurdum. The other side of this coin is to make the penalty $50 and the inconvenience of a traffic stop because the current penalties don't deter anyone anyways.
May 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah, pretty clear we're not gonna get to a middle ground on this. It's not tyranny to impose harsher penalties on selfish scumbags who grossly endanger the lives of others. Reductio ad absurdum. The other side of this coin is to make the penalty $50 and the inconvenience of a traffic stop because the current penalties don't deter anyone anyways. like i originally said, if there was a cut and dry way to know you are breaking the law, id be ok with it. but short of having a breathalyzer installed in everyones car, so you clearly know you are breaking the law when you put it in drive, i cant get on board with harsher penalties.
May 17, 20223 yr Just now, BFit said: like i originally said, if there was a cut and dry way to know you are breaking the law, id be ok with it. but short of having a breathalyzer installed in everyones car, so you clearly know you are breaking the law when you put it in drive, i cant get on board with harsher penalties. You can buy one and get a fairly good idea. If said device has a margin of error of 20%, then do the math and make sure you're erring well on the side of caution. Can't afford to pay a few hundred bucks for a decent breathalyzer? Then a $10k fine ought to change your mind.
May 17, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, BFit said: like i originally said, if there was a cut and dry way to know you are breaking the law, id be ok with it. but short of having a breathalyzer installed in everyones car, so you clearly know you are breaking the law when you put it in drive, i cant get on board with harsher penalties. I know I can drink two beers with dinner and drive 100 percent. So I stick with two beers if out and I'm the driver. It's really not as hard to know if you should be driving or not as you are making it seem. Basically, if you have any sliver of doubt at all, don't drive because you may kill somebody. Easy if you are not irresponsible or a complete idiot. If I felt I needed to take a breathalyzer to know if I was in driving condition, I wouldn't drive anyway.
May 17, 20223 yr I think there should be some difference between blowing a 0.081 and blowing a 0.15. The former could legitimately be a machine error while the latter means you’re an irresponsible POS.
May 17, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: I know I can drink two beers with dinner and drive 100 percent. So I stick with two beers if out and I'm the driver. It's really not as hard to know if you should be driving or not as you are making it seem. Basically, if you have any sliver of doubt at all, don't drive because you may kill somebody. Easy if you are not irresponsible or a complete idiot. how do you know that? are you just guessing? do you take BAC readings after your second beer? im aware that its not that hard to figure out if you should be driving or not most of the time, but its still not an exact science. i know if im stealing a car or not. i dont actively know what my BAC is. thats the problem i have with it. i can tell someone "only have 2 beers at dinner and youre fine" but if that person is 110lbs, they may not be. or if they drank those 2 beers before eating and the alcohol effected them differently.
May 17, 20223 yr 49 minutes ago, BFit said: how do you know that? are you just guessing? do you take BAC readings after your second beer? im aware that its not that hard to figure out if you should be driving or not most of the time, but its still not an exact science. i know if im stealing a car or not. i dont actively know what my BAC is. thats the problem i have with it. i can tell someone "only have 2 beers at dinner and youre fine" but if that person is 110lbs, they may not be. or if they drank those 2 beers before eating and the alcohol effected them differently. I didn't say that was for everyone. It's for me. It was a mild metaphor that I probably shouldn't have even wrote because I should have known that would be the focus of your reply. You may be 1 or 3. The 110lb person maybe shouldn't drive at all shortly after drinking. I don't need to know exactly what my BAC is. If I questioned if mine is too high to drive, I wouldn't even need the breathalyzer, I just wouldn't drive. Basically if you are not sure, don't drive? It's not that hard. My experience is the most of the people opposed to tougher drunk driving penalties are people who drive after drinking fairly often.
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